User talk:LogicalLens
What source says that HK police were shielding criminals?
[edit]I see in your user page, you are part of Project Autism. Are you by any chance autistic? I don't imply that you are but I would take it into consideration and be respectful if that's the case. The reason I am reaching out is that I don't agree with your action. I explained myself here [1] however the real issue is that you need to understand on Wikipedia, we do not ever claim an opinion is a fact especially when it's politically charged. If someone says that Hong Kong police are protecting criminals - even if you believe that's a fact - it's not supported by any reliable sources and also many would disagree with that statement. Also if you are going to be presenting such opinions or controversial statements, you have to attribute them clearly to the person who is expressing that. There's no real exceptions. And that's what I did in a neutral way saying that the attacker wrote this opinion on his suicide note. The previous version was too flawed in that it didn't properly attribute the source for a controversial opinion and presented it as a loaded fact. That's why I edited to Fix that and hope you can understand that rationale.IP49XX (talk) 02:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- The previous version said: "Hong Kong police allegedly sheltering criminals". Therefore, I don't see why you think that states his opinion as a fact. LogicalLens (talk) 02:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ugh and this is why I dislike Wikipedia when dealing with these kinds of debates. Please ask yourself who said that? The attacker said that and is not a reliable source. You can't present his opinions as a fact when no reliable sources are saying these loaded statements. In these cases, u need to attribute a source for who is saying that. WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV It was the attacker who said that. And so you need to attribute the opinion (not a validated fact) to the source and avoid making his opinion as if it's a fact. Wikipedia doesn't take sides in politics. I really do not want to spend days debating the obvious so I recommend you go to Wikipedia:Teahouse page and ask them and they will back me up on that. But do not edit war and ask others if you don't believe me. IP49XX (talk) 02:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know what your level of English is but "allegedly" is "used when something is said to be true but has not been proved".[2] LogicalLens (talk) 02:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Only a reliable source can make such a statement. My English is fine and I keep telling you that the source of that statement is not suitable as an authoritative source. If you still disagree, then I suggest WP:3O where you request Third opinion where a more experienced editor can tell you the same thing. This is also the basic fundamentals and I shouldn't even have to explain this to other editors so I recommend you please just talk to others on this and learn what reliable sources are and proper attribution requirements. Like in Wikipedia:Teahouse where experienced editors will tell you the exact same thing. IP49XX (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Do you agree with my newest change? LogicalLens (talk) 03:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's better than the old version as at least it now attribute who is saying what. But it's not the best english. As a compromise, I can accept your version but I made some minor grammatical improvements to it, but leaving your version mostly untouched. I hope this resolves everything. Take care of yourself buddy. IP49XX (talk) 03:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Do you agree with my newest change? LogicalLens (talk) 03:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Only a reliable source can make such a statement. My English is fine and I keep telling you that the source of that statement is not suitable as an authoritative source. If you still disagree, then I suggest WP:3O where you request Third opinion where a more experienced editor can tell you the same thing. This is also the basic fundamentals and I shouldn't even have to explain this to other editors so I recommend you please just talk to others on this and learn what reliable sources are and proper attribution requirements. Like in Wikipedia:Teahouse where experienced editors will tell you the exact same thing. IP49XX (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know what your level of English is but "allegedly" is "used when something is said to be true but has not been proved".[2] LogicalLens (talk) 02:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ugh and this is why I dislike Wikipedia when dealing with these kinds of debates. Please ask yourself who said that? The attacker said that and is not a reliable source. You can't present his opinions as a fact when no reliable sources are saying these loaded statements. In these cases, u need to attribute a source for who is saying that. WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV It was the attacker who said that. And so you need to attribute the opinion (not a validated fact) to the source and avoid making his opinion as if it's a fact. Wikipedia doesn't take sides in politics. I really do not want to spend days debating the obvious so I recommend you go to Wikipedia:Teahouse page and ask them and they will back me up on that. But do not edit war and ask others if you don't believe me. IP49XX (talk) 02:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)