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Question from Jemmy Smith (21:39, 30 November 2024)

Good day, thank you for being my mentor. I would like to contribute by making verified edits and also create reputable pages. Could you help support that process? --Jemmy Smith (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is what we are here to do. If I can't help directly, I should be able to find someone who can. Good luck, and call me when you need the help. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 03:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move, over redirect

Please move Outline of the Kennedy family to Draft:Outline of the Kennedy family.

I'd do it myself, but there's a redirect in the way.

Somebody deleted it by redirect, rather than move it back to draft space. Looking around Wikipedia at the subject, there appears to plenty of Kennedy-related articles to justify an outline. It just ain't ready for prime time yet. For example, in the titles held section, it doesn't identify who held each title. Definitely still a draft.

Cheers,    — The Transhumanist   09:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that it should not have been stealth deleted by redirect, and has potential, so will move to draft as requested.· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 11:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 11:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Came across an outline draft you created:

Draft:Outline of occupational safety and health.

Was wondering if you realized it was still there.

Cheers,    — The Transhumanist   10:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I had completely forgotten about it. I now usually create my drafts as user sub-pages, where it is easier to keep track of them. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk):

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Question from Leonardo da vin (00:57, 11 December 2024)

Hi! This is Leonardo da vin. I want to ask, how do you put pictures in pages (say, such as while editing)? Thanks! -Leonardo da vin --Leonardo da vin (talk) 00:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Pictures for some basic information. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

wow, thanks! Leonardo da vin (talk) 23:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

thats very helpful:D Leonardo da vin (talk) 23:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

There are a lot of help pages. Th trick is to know what they are called. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 05:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

oh, i see Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

how in the world do you memorize all those help pages????????? Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually I don't. I just know that there is probably a help page on a topic, type in what seems a likely shortcut or page title, and if that doesn't work, do a quick search. Also useful is to go to any help page and look in the Template:Wikipedia help pages navbox for the topic I need. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 05:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

oh, your really smart Leonardo da vin (talk) 03:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Not so much smart as been here a while, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 03:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Ppff! You're still smarter than me when it comes to wikipedia editing and help pages and stuff. Ha-ha! :\= Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

obviously Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, I could barely do anything in Wikipedia w/o you!! Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Leonardo da vin (23:08, 11 December 2024)

How do you put the link to other wikipedia articles? Ya know, like the blue words that you click on a Wikipedia page --Leonardo da vin (talk) 23:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for being a good mentor! Leonardo da vin (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Internal links, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

mm, ok Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

so, go to Help:Internal links. Okay, gotcha! thanks Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

how to change Wikipedia article name? (im new to editing wikipedia) Leonardo da vin (talk) 00:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Move, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 05:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Leonardo da vin (16:38, 12 December 2024)

how to put redirects to an article yours is linked to or create a ridirect to yours? --Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Redirect, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question regarding how to conduct a dispute

In conducting a dispute on another editor's contribution, is it appropriate to first revert the contribution/remove the content and then begin a talk to get consensus to restore it? Or is it correct to instead tag the content in the article as disputed and then begun a dispute in the article's talk page to get consensus to remove it? I have gotten conflicting answers to this when consulting the relevant articles (WP:TALKDONTREVERT, WP:STONEWALLING seem to support the latter) and asking others on the topic (who seem to support the former) and would appreciate your insight! Sxbbetyy (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the disputed material. If it is a breach of copyright or contravenes the requirements for biographies of living people, it must be removed immediately, with an appropriate edit summary. If it is a dispute of factual accuracy, it depends on the strength and reliability of the sources. When the change is strongly supported by a reliable source, it is usually appropriate to make the change without prior discussion, provide the reference with it, and leave a suitable edit summary. Also, an unsourced claim may be removed without prior discussion if there is plausible reason to believe that it is inaccurate (you must be able to explain your reasoning if challenged). Where the dispute is on interpretation or there are conflicting sources of equivalent reliability, the change should be discussed first. Tagging the disputed content and opening a discussion on the talk page is seldom wrong when you have any doubt. Personal opinions of editors carry no decisive weight on Wikipedia, even if they claim to be an authority, but they should not be dismissed arbitrarily - they may be right. Evidence is required to settle content disputes. When in doubt, ask someone for an independent opinion, but in those cases it is usually helpful to provide links and diffs so they can read up on the background of the specific dispute, as best practice varies depending on the circumstances. Disputes over relevance, neutrality and weight are usually best discussed first, as these are often matters of opinion. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 05:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, that clarifies things quite nicely and just about matches what I thought was the expectation. As a follow up question, how would one go about handling situations where another editor decided to not follow that expectation and has instead chosen to prematurely remove disputed content that warrants discussion first (including if they engage in edit warring to keep it removed prior to a consensus being reached on its removal)? Sxbbetyy (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

First try to engage the editor in a discussion on the talk page to find out why they chose to handle it that way. When explaining you own actions, try not to rely on a wall of shortcut links, rather use a few more words to be more specific, and quote the actual text of any policy or guidance you base your position on. Bludgeoning with shortcut links seldom explains anything, and relies on the reader making the same assumptions that you made, which is seldom the case in a dispute. If they cannot explain their behaviour satisfactorily, you can ask for a neutral third party to assess the situation, and if necessary, report on the incident at WP:AN/I. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to say sorry for getting you involved in that mess at ANI, it's clear those involved do not agree with the guidelines given at WP:STATUSQUO or any of the other related articles and are insistent on closing the ANI in that favor (and evidently did not adhere to your advice regarding Meta:Don't be a jerk). It really seems at this point that there isn't any real logical reason behind it beyond "winning" that ANI report. Taking the position of reverting every disputed contribution rather than tagging in place certainly is not healthy for WP overall as it serves to enable and condone WP:STONEWALLING. Nonetheless, I appreciate that you took the time to state your position on the topic, even among what was a very hostile discussion involving another admin (as disappointing as that is to say, you certainly embody more of what I expected on this platform). I'm also new to this entire ANI process and haven't actively engaged in the WP community prior to this whole debacle (of which has left a very poor impression of the WP community in my eyes, if this is anything like what I could expect from the rest, at least in the English speaking side), so I do not know any users here. If you know of people who support the stated guidelines in WP:STATUSQUO and would like to chime in on that ANI, it would be much appreciated. But whatever the case, I did want to again thank you for your time, wish you a Merry Christmas, and happy editing! Sxbbetyy (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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	Thank you for being my mentor Leonardo da vin (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Glad you found my advice helpful. Happy editing! Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Cogni iitr (12:58, 19 December 2024)

Could you please help me edit and publish a Wikipedia page for the annual technical festival of our college? The fest's name is Cognizance and our college name is IIT Roorkee. --Cogni iitr (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

The first thing you need to do is establish whether the topic is notable. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 14:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

As we already have an article for IIT Roorkee, I suggest you add a section there on the festival, as that only requites reliable sources for verifiability, as it will not be a stand-alone article requiring evidence of general notability. Once that is done, you can create a redirect for the festival to that section, so people can easily find it. Please follow the guidelines regarding no promotional language and sticking to encyclopedic content. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 14:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

A question from Leonardo da vin

From info from your user page, you live in south africa right Leonardo da vin (talk) 02:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is no secret. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

•_•what! i literally live on th other side of the earth!!!! in california, a state of the usa Leonardo da vin (talk) 01:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for the kind thoughts. I also wish you a time of peace and happiness, for this holiday season and all times thereafter. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Me too! Merry Christmas and happy New Year 2025! :D Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, pbsouthwood! :)

Dear pbsouthwood, merry Christmas! Wish you happy holidays and Christmas blessing Leonardo da vin (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your good wishes, they are reciprocated. Cheers,· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 05:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

•|__|• [ thats a smiley-face ]thanks, Pbsouthwood Leonardo da vin (talk) 03:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Leonardo da vin (03:51, 24 December 2024)

How do I become a mentor? Thanks, --Leonardo da vin (talk) 03:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

You volunteer. It helps if you know your way around Wikipedia first, and are familiar with the editing procedures and techniques, and the policies, guidelines and how the community functions (and sometimes fails to function). We all have different skills and experience, so generally different people will be able to help with different things. When you don't know something yourself, it is useful if you know where else to go for specialist help. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

So how do you volunteer? Thanks for the info, though Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

That information is given in Wikipedia:Growth Team features, which you should read through to get some idea of the way the system is intended to work. It is still somewhat experimental, but the stats seem to show it is helping. I think that we are still mainly playing this by feel, and my style may not be representative of the average mentor, if such a thing exists. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from MD Sahib (11:17, 25 December 2024)

Hello, please review my work. And suggest me how to improve it. --MD Sahib (talk) 11:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

MD Sahib, When creating or modifying a short description, stick to information that will be most useful to the reader, and leave out less useful information, like aesthetic judgement of a natural phenomenon, unless it is specifically notable for that aesthetic value. It may be worth reading Wikipedia:Short description.

As a rule of thumb; if no-one complains you are probably not doing anything seriously wrong. It is generally more pleasant to work on no-contentious topics, at least until you feel more confident in your understanding of the policies and procedures. Refer to the WP:Manual of Style, it can improve your ability to write suitable content. You don't have to be an expert to work on a topic, but you should be aware of your level of knowledge in that topic, and know your limits. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't set any limits for myself. I like to be an expert in what I do.If there were videos on any platform showing how to use Wikipedia's tools, it would be beneficial for beginners. MD Sahib (talk) 18:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I work on both the Bengali and English Wikipedias. Will there be any problems with this? MD Sahib (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

As long as you stay within the requirements of each while you are editing it, there should be no problem.

I am not familiar with the requirements of Bengali Wikipedia, and they may mostly be compatible with those of English Wikipedia, but one cannot assume they will be fully interchangeable, and it is highly probable that there will be significant cultural differences. I suggest you ask around in case there is an admin on one who also edits a lot on the other, and ask for their advice. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I know four languages Bengali English Hindi German and I want to work on Wikipedia in each language, will there be any problem with that? And I want access more tools.So what should I do for this? MD Sahib (talk) 18:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Advice regarding English and Bengali given above should remain valid for other languages. Access to tools depends on what tools you mean. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Leonardo da vin (16:31, 25 December 2024)

how to put wikiboxes and wikipedia:babel boxes on your userpage --Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

uh, i mean mine not yours, OKAY!?!? Leonardo da vin (talk) 16:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

They are called userboxes, so the logical place to look is Help:Userboxes. In this case it turns out to be a redirect to Wikipedia:Userboxes. A lot of the less basic help pages, the policy pages and guidance pages and information on the inner workings of Wikipedia are in the 'Wikipedia' name space. Another way of finding these things out is to look at the code of a page where they are used, and copy what looks useful to your user page or sandbox and play with it until you work out what works. With that and future advice in mind, do you edit with Wikipedia:VisualEditor or wikicode? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

How about Wikipedia:Babel boxes? That's so confusing that that help page Help:Userboxes is actually Wikipedia:Userboxes! Leonardo da vin (talk) 22:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:babel boxes Leonardo da vin (talk) 22:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually when i edit, i just press the thing that says "edit source" Leonardo da vin (talk) 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit source is editing the wikicode, which is what I do, so we are on the same page there. It is more powerful, but can take longer to learn. Visual editor provides an editing interface that is intended to be easier to learn and use, but is more limited in what you can do. It is a WYSIWYG user interface which you open by clicking on "edit", as opposed to "edit source".

Babel boxes are explained at Wikipedia:Babel. A large part of Wikipedia's inner works was not top-down designed. It developed from input from a large number of users, often without much coordination between projects, and evolved through trial, error and occasional bickering. It works fairly well most of the time, but is not always intuitive. There are also a number of opt-in tools and gadgets for specific types of work that you can select from your preferences (accessed from the small menu at the top right of the page on the default skin). · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

happy new year!

Dear @Pbsouthwood, Just wanna say: HAPPY NEW YEAR! Can you believe it is already almost 2025????? I remember when 2023 ended like yesterday! Leonardo da vin (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Time flies when you are getting things done. I also wish you a happy new year, but we live in interesting times. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

happy new year and may all the good things of life come to you Mhizzoe (talk) 22:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

award for pbsouthwood

	Awesomeness
	You're awesome, @Pbsouthwood! Leonardo da vin (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I do what I can. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 04:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Sadick Sempigi (10:47, 27 December 2024)

Hello, am new here, I wish to know how to make my page look professional --Sadick Sempigi (talk) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

What page is that? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

What page? Your user-page? Leonardo da vin (talk) 18:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Or a draft? Leonardo da vin (talk) 18:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

new

hi I'm new to Wikipedia Mhizzoe (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. Is there something you wanted to ask me? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 23:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)