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Your submission at Articles for creation: Subhranil Sarkar (January 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Bonadea were:

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bonadea contributions talk 14:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Subhranil Sarkar

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Subhranil Sarkar, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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January 2025

Hello, I'm Bonadea. An edit that you recently made seemed to be generated using a large language model (an "AI chatbot" or other application using such technology). Text produced by these applications can be unsuitable for an encyclopedia, and output must be carefully checked. Your edit may have been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. bonadea contributions talk 14:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not generated from AI Chatbot it is original content. I have his press kit from where wrote it. Thebatman733 (talk) 15:03, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That means it is not original content, if it's copied from his press kit. And that explains why it is so promotionally written – a press kit and an encoclypaedia are two very different things, with different purposes. --bonadea contributions talk 15:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me how to submit a page then? Whatever details I got from him I am writing it according to that. What should be the way. It will be great if u can guide me.

Here are some important link for that. I am not doing any promotion here. Just creating a wiki.

https://www.youtube.com/@SubhranilSarkar

https://meetkalakar.com/Artist/611-Subhranil-Sarkar

https://www.facebook.com/subhranil.sitarist/

https://www.instagram.com/subhranil.sarkar_sitar/

https://x.com/Sitar_Subhranil

I am his student and creating the page on her behalf.

Please consider it. Thebatman733 (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also it is not copied from the press kit ditto. It is read and framed the way we create wikipedia page. Thebatman733 (talk) 15:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A person must be notable by Wikipedia's definition to be considered worthy of inclusion. People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Autobiography and self-promotion are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.

Social media sources are not reliable. Because they are self-published and lack editorial review, they are automatically disqualified from establishing someone's notability. This means that your YouTube Facebook, Instagram and X sources are all rejected. Meetalakar looks like it basically serves the same purpose.

Unless you can provide some high-quality third-party sources, then this person does not meet the notability requirements and is undeserving of inclusion. You said that you got the sources from this person, but we don't care about what a person wishes to say about himself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is internationally acclaimed sitarist and played in world peace summit in mexico and that news was published in The Diario de Yucatán(Mexican newspaper founded on May 31, 1925, by Carlos R. Menéndez. Based in Mérida, Yucatán, it serves the Yucatán Peninsula, including the states of Yucatán, Campeche, and Quintana Roo.)

https://www.yucatan.com.mx/imagen/2019/09/20/conexion-de-india-y-mexico.html

The article highlights the cultural connection between India and Mexico, emphasizing similarities in spirituality and art. Indian musician Subhranil Sarkar discusses shared elements like ceremonies and music, which promote peace and harmony. Performing at Mérida’s Festival de la Paz, Sarkar showcases sitar compositions with a contemporary touch, alongside tabla and traditional dance performances. He also admires the Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore's cultural influence. For more details, visit the original page: Diario de Yucatán. Thebatman733 (talk) 16:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/09/private-concert-for-peace-master-musician-subhranil-sarkar-to-perform-at-sol-y-tierra/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Another reference Thebatman733 (talk) 16:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DAG | India's leading art company also cited his works for Sitar and his passion for generating better sound. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9AG-dytLWF/?igsh=MTd5YXc2cWtmNDZlbQ== Thebatman733 (talk) 16:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/poster-musician.jpg

A poster from peace concert. Thebatman733 (talk) 16:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His concert with Ustad Shahid Parvez Khan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0T1OYcwck Thebatman733 (talk) 16:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can get his interview in Canal's official youtube channel.

Invitado excepcional hoy con Subhranil Sarkar, maestro de sitar que nos visita desde Calcuta para hablarnos de su instrumento, de su arte y de la milenaria tradición musical de la India.

"Special guest today is Subhranil Sarkar, a sitar master who visits us from Calcutta to talk to us about his instrument, his art and the ancient musical tradition of India."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZeKL78wz0 Thebatman733 (talk) 16:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.thestatesman.com/features/simple-yet-effective-rhythms-1502530277.html

The prestigious indian news paper the statesman also published his artistry.

Subhranil Sarkar, as the final artiste of the event, chose to play raga Bihag replete with compositions of Ustad Imdad Khan (the founder of the gharana), Ustad Vilayat Khan (the legendary maestro who infused khayal vocalism in sitar and took this style to dizzying heights) and his Guru, Ustad Shahid Parvez (the sultan of sitar of his generation). Both Vilayat Khan and Shahid Parvez remained influenced by Ustad Amir Khan’s gayaki. Its unmistakable effect was perceivable in the alap played by Sarkar in which the notes were allowed to linger till the sound ebbed completely and effective pauses linked the intimately-played soft phrases. The mukam-based rhythmic phrases of jod progressed note by note and the jhala showcased varied patterns of chikari playing. Thebatman733 (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another citation from statesman where he has organized a program to spread the classical music to the world and community.

https://epaper.thestatesman.com/3870891/Kolkata-The-Statesman/25-TH-MAY-2024#page/11/2@Bonadea @Drm310 Thebatman733 (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.art-base.be/index.php?option=com_eventlist&view=details&id=709&Itemid=2

His program in brussels.

In this research paper check Acknowledgement section page ii,

"I cannot forget to thank Sri. Subhranil Sarkar. The title of the thesis is a

brain child of his ideas and guidance in music I have received from him.

He has helped me a lot where ever I needed and has inspired and corrected

me in every stage of my work."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318659500_Stylistic_Evolution_of_Sitar_baaj_in_20th_and_21st_Century Thebatman733 (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://music-cms.ucsd.edu/concerts/news/news_archive_2021.html

February 25, 2022

UC San Diego Music faculty and sitar virtuoso Kartik Seshadri featured as a panelist on sitarist Subhranil Sarkar's "Sitar & Us" series

February 25, 2022

UC San Diego Music faculty and sitar virtuoso Kartik Seshadri was featured as a panelist on sitarist Subhranil Sarkar's prestigious "Sitar & Us" series to speak about the sitar and Indian Classical Music.

The "Sitar & Us" series is a part of the "Strings & Us" project ideated around 15-16 years ago by Subhranil Sarkar. It all started out during Orkut times and subsequently a Facebook group named "Strings & Us" was formed in 2020 to engage musicians in discussion with an aim to demystify Indian Classical Music. Thebatman733 (talk) 16:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Universidad Autónoma Metropolitana (UAM) is a public university founded on 1974 on the idea of innovation.

https://www.uam.mx/semanario/xxiii_46/files/assets/common/downloads/Semanario_UAM_No_46_24_Jul_2017.pdf

Here in this PDF check "Subhranil Sarkar colorea la mente de música" Thebatman733 (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtsShS-cNJo

Here is one small interview of him in Canal22. Canal22 is funded in whole or in part by the Mexican government.

Wikipedia Thebatman733 (talk) 17:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His program in Ayurveda fest in mexico.

"Regarded as one of the foremost players of his generation, Subhranil Sarkar has shared his music and touched the hearts of people all around Europe, USA, Canada, India and Mexico.

He was initiated into music t the age of 6 and gave his first public performance at the age of 8, and started performing oat the All India Radio, Kolkata from the age of 9. Subhranil was accepted as a disciple by the great Sitar maestro Padma-Shri Ustad Shahid Parvez Khan. He belongs to Stiar’s first family, the “Etawah Gharana”, which has gifted us Hindustani Classical Music."

https://www.trueayurveda.com/retreats/ayurvedafest-mexico Thebatman733 (talk) 17:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea@Drm310

Please check all the citations I have added in the replies. Thebatman733 (talk) 17:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will check these when I am able to, in the next day or two. Time does not permit me to do this right away. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Thanks! 2A01:B740:13D6:0:0:0:0:53D (talk) 03:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His program in Canal Once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myXEX-wCgQo

Canal Once is funded in whole or in part by the Mexican government.

Wikipedia Thebatman733 (talk) 04:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.mex4you.net/news/articulo.php?n=28604&t=-El-destacado-sitarista-de-la-India,-Subhranil-Sarkar,-ofrecer%C3%A1-un-concierto-en-el-Centro-Nacional-de-las-Artes

The article highlights a performance by Indian sitarist Subhranil Sarkar at the Blas Galindo Auditorium of the National Center for the Arts, Mexico City, on October 9 at 1:30 PM. He will present traditional North Indian classical music, accompanied by percussionist Luis Miguel Costero on the tabla. The concert explores cultural connections between India and Mexico through music. Tickets cost 150 MXN and are available via Ticketmaster or at Cenart. Thebatman733 (talk) 04:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Festival Of India in Canada he represented India. You can see this mention.

Highlights include concerts by Subhranil Sarkar, Jaron Freeman-Fox, Red Baraat and Delhi 2 Dublin!

https://www.ottawafestivals.ca/festival-of-india/ Thebatman733 (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is from https://www.mexicoescultura.com/actividad/302107/eco-de-las-ragas-musica-de-tradicion-y-espiritualidad-de-la-india.html

México es Cultura (Mexico is Culture) is a government-run platform managed by Mexico's Ministry of Culture. It serves as a centralized hub for promoting cultural events, activities, and projects happening across the country. The platform covers a wide range of topics, including music, theatre, visual arts, literature, cinema, and cultural workshops, as well as providing information about museums, libraries, and other cultural institutions.

This page is saying if i translate :

The event titled "Echo of the Ragas: Music of Tradition and Spirituality of India" was a concert held on December 5, 2024, at the Fonoteca Nacional's Murray Schafer Hall in Mexico City. The performance featured maestro Subhranil Sarkar on the sitar and Luis Miguel Costero on the tabla, who transported the audience to an ancient tradition where Indian classical music is created in the moment, evoking ragas—living melodies that connect with emotions and awaken the senses. Thebatman733 (talk) 04:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another citation from the government of mexico.

The National Center for the Arts (CENART), an institution of the Ministry of Culture of the Government of Mexico, presents the concert Subhranil Sarkar, Sitar, performed by the prominent musician from India, who will play classical music from the northern region of his country, accompanied on the tabla by percussionist Luis Miguel Costero.

With this concert, maestro Subhranil Sarkar begins a tour through various venues in Mexico, showcasing his belief that there is a cultural interconnection between India and Mexico. "Spirituality in both countries is very similar, and music, along with other arts, is the bridge that connects us," he states.

https://www.cenart.gob.mx/2022/10/el-destacado-sitarista-de-la-india-subhranil-sarkar-ofrecera-un-concierto-en-el-centro-nacional-de-las-artes/ Thebatman733 (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea@Drm310

I have added further references from different eminent sources which are fully/partially funded by Govt. organizations. Also cited links directly from mexico govt. Thebatman733 (talk) 05:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Drm310@Bonadea Can you please check it and let me know? The citations I have shared are not yet reviewed. Thebatman733 (talk) 03:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly you're going in the right direction. The Diario de Yucatán article is an improvement, for sure. The Yucatán Times article sounds borderline promotional, but maybe another editor might have a different opinion. The Statesman articles sound like concert reviews; but the newspaper itself seems to be a legitimate source. Keep in mind that whatever sources you use, you must paraphrase the content and write it from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be devoid of emotion; we present plain facts and then let readers decide how they feel about the topic.

Please forget about using social media sources (YouTube, Instagram, etc.) None of them will be accepted as sources. The only exceptions are the social media accounts of existing reliable sources - like a major broadsheet newspaper, or major news organization (eg. CNN, BBC, etc.)

If you are using Indian news sources, please be mindful that even legitimate Indian news organizations sometimes mix regular news with sponsored content or press releases with little or no disclosure (see Paid reporting in Indian news organizations). --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand what you said but these are credible sources and getting something covered in Statesman is not easy also kind request please do not bash India. Your words here "please be mindful that even legitimate Indian news organizations sometimes mix regular news" hurt me and feel that you have unconscious negative bias against Indian media. All over the world many news papers do mistake and they correct it. Thebatman733 (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was not meant to be hurtful. I am just repeating what has already been documented at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea@Drm310

Also is there anyway to retrieve the document I am not able to see it back. I can edit it and can put all the references there as well. Thebatman733 (talk) 03:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea@Drm310

I have now created another draft taking care of all the citations. Draft:Subhranil Sarkar

This time can u review and check please. Thebatman733 (talk) 09:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Subhranil Sarkar (January 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jannatulbaqi was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Baqi:) (talk) 06:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi I need your help to understand where is the conflict please can u help? Thebatman733 (talk) 09:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi added multiple references. Notably The Statesman and Yiucatan. Sharing stage with the Legend Shahid Parvez is another. Thebatman733 (talk) 10:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thebatman733: Hi and Welcome to English Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions! I’ve reviewed your draft, but I don’t think it’s ready to be moved to the main space yet, as it currently fails to meet the WP:GNG. I recommend reading through the guideline for a better understanding. If you need any further assistance, feel free to ping me on my talk page without hesitation. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Jannatulbaqi, can u kindly notify me about which links doesn't seem to be not notable. I can better work on that. Thebatman733 (talk) 11:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Subhranil Sarkar (January 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Taabii was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Subhranil Sarkar and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Taabii (talk) 10:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Subhranil Sarkar (January 23)

Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Seawolf35 was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

--Seawolf35 ^T--C 18:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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