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Discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § RfC: Times of Israel

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § RfC: Times of Israel. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 20:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Five months later...thank you

I just saw your self-reverting edit to the Eileen Gu article in August 2024 and your edit summary that noted your reversion was based on becoming newly aware of WP:OR. Thanks for reminding me of the power of open-mindedness and the spirit of collaboration on WP. JSFarman (talk) 17:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman Thanks for the kind note! I think she did gain attention and questions at the beginning of the Olympics for deciding to compete for China. I think I was trying to balance the controversy and I tried to put a more positive interpretation of her words by writing “Rather than focus on citizenship, Gu chooses to focus on her mixed Chinese and American ancestry”, but then I realized that was original research/synthesis of material since that is not what the source said. The source doesn’t really provide secondary analysis or insight into her words when she says she’s Asian American. I haven’t really been watching that Wiki page, but looking at the recent edits I am guessing the page may continue to receive attention throughout her career as she continues to win World Cup championships, Olympic medals, etc., and there are questions and ambiguity on her citizenship… there are some people who may be upset that most likely she, as well as other Olympic players, have dual citizenship (or have been granted some other exception that allows them to play for China while still being a citizen of another country -Gu applied for the US Presidential Scholars Program in 2021 ). Anyways, my understanding is that under the current Chinese law, the majority of people from China, including artists and film stars, are not allowed to have dual citizenship. They have to choose (as reported by Chinese state media) to give up their Chinese citizenship if they decide to become a citizen of another country (though this may not happen for years if they don’t file the paperwork). The Chinese news and initially some US news sources reported that both Gu and Zhu Yi (figure skater) gave up their US citizenship, while some Western sources later found contradictory information especially regarding Gu. Probably the best approach to dealing with this in the Wikipedia article is WP:SOURCESDIFFER. Wafflefrites (talk) 03:24, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find solid sources last year and came up with the same series of contradictions. People get worked up over this issue, the media included, and I suspect the coverage will ramp up again as the Olympics get closer. Not looking forward to it. WP:SOURCESDIFFER for sure. JSFarman (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman I also think some of the initial media attention was due to confusion over the the Chinese nationality law. International journalists probably were aware of the law’s status and would have had questions, so maybe future attention will not be as much as the first time.

The whole China possibly creating new nationality loopholes for some people doesn’t really affect me, but the dual nationality issue may be of interest/curiosity to people who are/could be affected by the law. Here is an article from the Economist that sort of talks about the debate and how the Chinese nationality policy changed in the 1950s and in 1980. I read another reason there was interest over Gu’s citizenship was because prior to the 2022 Olympics, there was a huge government crackdown and reports/scrutiny in the media of Chinese movie stars who held foreign citizenship and in the entertainment industry [1][2]. During and prior to the Olympics, Eileen Gu was basically treated like a celebrity with multiple Chinese brand sponsorships. So that was the lead up to the 2022 Winter Olympics. Wafflefrites (talk) 04:25, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]