User talk:Youngbohemian

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Hello, Youngbohemian! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Fattonyni (talk) 17:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Noon's Hole

Hey, I've added a post to the Boho talk page regarding creation of a separate Noon's Hole article. I see you've not been active on Wikipedia for a few weeks but just in case you're about, I figured I'd ask your opinion. Add any comments to the article's talk page, or reply here or on my talk page and I should get the message. Cheers, Fattonyni (talk) 23:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

yes , this is a good idea . Also more links would be good and then the article can be unpgraded . The co-ordinates given on google earth for boho , when you look them up put it a couple of miles off the dutch coast in the north sea ..... maybe they can be looked at again !

thanks for your contributions . youngbohemian (talk)11:57 10 march 2009

Good stuff, I'll get on it at some point. Great work so far on the article! Just realised you've been here a while without receiving a proper welcome, so here's a table of handy links for you, free of charge :-) Remember you can sign comments with four tildes (~~~~) to automatically add a timestamp. Fattonyni (talk) 17:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

questions on correct format for referencing another wikipedia page

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what is the correct foramt for linking items in one article to another wikipedia page .

for example, suppose i mention a flower like Erica cinerea (bell heather) in my article, how do I link this in the correct format to the wikipedia page on Erica cinerea . Youngbohemian (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Put the term in double square brackets like [[This]]. Make sure to use the show preview button to make sure it is not a red link. Have a look at WP:OVERLINK before you go and add a lot of links to everything, though. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 17:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Early morning Boho

I was about to do some formatting on the Boho article to make it a little easier to read (some neatening of the Places of interest section and I've found a way to split the list of references into two columns), but I realised you're still working away at the moment too! I figure I'd best not change anything for now or I might inadvertently overwrite a bunch of your most recent edits... I'll leave it until another time, it's way past my bed time anyway :-) All the best, Fattonyni (talk) 02:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

yes, contributions are always welcome as it gets a bit tedious going through all the text . Actually I did not change places of interest so that I would not interfere with other authors contributions but I knew it needed to be tidy. Anyway , yes I think you should go ahead and tidy things up a bit . That is if you don't mind .

My next contribution was actually going to be mention of Boho in old literature and joining it all together in a story but its quite difficult to read old irish and to tell if its actually Boho fermanagh they are talking about or some other places down south . Also i was going to add more specifically Boho folk tales but these are quite hard to find with the appropriate references ! Keep up the good work Youngbohemian (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

That's fine, I figured it have been the case. I'll take another look at the section today. You obviously have a wealth of literature to hand to be able to look for all these references! Good job. Fattonyni (talk) 10:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I was also wanting to know how you add pictures , I have a picture of boho graveyard overlooking the surrounding countryside which i think would be good but i am not sure about the resolution and what file format . i think i have to open my own page first and have a photograph page ? Youngbohemian (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

just one other thing , when i click on the co-ordinates of boho it still looks as if its in the sea ? Youngbohemian (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Curious! I'm sure I'd checked that when I edited it last. I'll take a look again. Regarding photos, as long as the picture is entirely your own work and you agree to its use anywhere, even with modifications (but you will still be credited as the original owner), then you can upload the file to Wikimedia Commons (the umbrella site that covers media content for Wikipedia and a couple of other similar sites) here. More information on this can be found at the Wikimedia FAQ and on Wikipedia:Uploading images.

During the upload process you will give the image a name, such as "Boho graveyard, Fermanagh.JPG" – to incorporate this into an article you can then add the code [[Image:Boho graveyard, Fermanagh.JPG|thumb|Graveyard of Boho church, looking North]]. The final section of that was an example caption, which would display next to the picture. Check out WP:Images for more info. Fattonyni (talk) 10:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I figured out the coords problem -- the infobox has a field for "north coordinate" and "west coordinate" -- I had the west coordinate as -7.795... the minus symbol is correct when W isn't specified... but it seems in this case it reversed the coordinate to mean 7.795 East! Sorted now. Fattonyni (talk) 10:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

A few more tips

Hi, I'm making a few formatting changes on Boho, just to get it to conform better with Wikipedia standards -- I figured I'd explain one of them though rather than just change it without comment -- I see you've got the hang of linking to other articles, good job! The only thing I'd mention is that links should be avoided where possible in headings -- this is mainly for accessibility reasons, for blind users with screen readers for instance. A useful resource for general formatting guidelines can be found in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, which has sections for most format-related concepts. I also have some links that I've found useful so far on my own sub-page at User:Fattonyni/Links; you might find some of them useful too.

Keep up the good work, Fattonyni (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

thanks, yes i was linking lots of things to see if i could bring up the rating of the article past stub class.

Sorry if i was a bit over zealous with the links . I will try and load the picture maybe this weekend or next week . i think it would help if people had some kind of perception of the geographical area that is being described . Youngbohemian (talk) 16:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Photographic additions

I added a couple of pictures, of grassland and cows for the moment anyway . I added a panoramic piture , its about 270 degrees really but it is also small, i would like to see it stretched across the screen ! If you have any pictures of Boho High cross, that would be good for the article also or any old photographs of people making a ruck in a meadow ....also good . Youngbohemian (talk) 15:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the simple paanorama view .....thats pretty neat

Youngbohemian (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem :-) I'd never used it before, but I figured there was probably something like it around. seems to work quite nicely! Excellent photos by the way.

I've done some final proofreading type bits and the incredibly boring task of making sure all the citations are formatted the same way; I don't have anything much that I could add, I think the article's looking great. Do you have anything else you'd like to add/change? otherwise it can be submitted for review (at either Wikiproject Ireland or Northern Ireland or both), to see what assessment level it can be upgraded to. Fattonyni (talk) 13:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

thanks , yes i was going to add a bit more about the first mentions of boho in literature but it has taken me a while to trace the references . just now i am supposed to be on holiday so i havnt given it much attention.

I also wanted to add some specifically Boho "tales" but these are very hard to attribute to anybody since I have to have documented references . but i can easily do this after the review process . My plan is to continually update myself with information so that the investigation of the area is second to none. Your contributions have been excellent so far . I don't have a big wealth of information to hand but find a lot of it online in old libraries of irish books which although there are a few in ireland there seems to be quite a lot kept in american libraries ! Youngbohemian (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

yeah there wwas one other point in that there are quite a few duplications in "other places" if we could sort that out it would be good

Youngbohemian (talk) 17:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Boho peer review results

Hey Youngbohemian, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Boho, County Fermanagh/archive1 and save it to your watched list (click on the "watch" tab at the top of the page) -- an experienced editor has now reviewed the article and has raised a number of very good points -- but is also very positive about the work so far. Perhaps you could take a look through his comments when you're next online. All the best, Fattonyni (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

yes i was just going to expand some of the geological environment section I have been working on and then look through the comments Youngbohemian (talk) 13:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: The Kingdom of Glan

Hi Youngbohemian, I've added a response to your question on my talk page. All the best, Fattonyni (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Editing

Hey Youngbohemian, a response to your editing question on the above article is on my talk page. Fattonyni (talk) 00:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

NI geo-stubs

Hi Youngbohemian - could you please not add {{Ireland-stub}} to anything you've marked with a specific county geo-stub? If an article is marked with, say {{Fermanagh-geo-stub}}, then it's already in a subcategory of Category:Ireland stubs and doesn't need to also have the basic {{Ireland-stub}}. If all of Ireland's geostubs were also marked with a plain Ireland-stub, Category:Ireland stubs would be so full as to be of no use to editors. Thanks. Grutness...wha? 23:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, thanks for your help Youngbohemian (talk) 11:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Any time. By the way, thanks for starting some of those articles in the first place! :) Grutness...wha? 23:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Aghnaglack, Boho and Aghanaglack

Hey, just spotted that you seem to have created duplicate articles on the townland of Aghnaglack -- is there actually a difference between these two, other than the spelling? If there isn't, you might be best copying the additional text from Aghnaglack, Boho to Aghanaglack and either redirecting the former to the latter, or deleting the former, to avoid confusion.

Oh by the way, excellent additional photos on the Boho page, they look great! N.B. I've answered your other question about the Boho article on my talk page. All the best, Fattonyni (talk) 02:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

No , I don't think there is any difference , probably just too keen to get it all down . what i was really trying to do is have a series of articles like boho, aghanaglack , boho killydrum , boho high cross etc .... so that they would all fall into a group instead of on random pages on wikipedia , like boho , fairy tales etc .. obviously this could be sorted out in links to the articles but when you type in boho on the page it brings you to a Disambiguation page , which lists boho caves and boho the area but none of the townlands . since townlands can have similar names over the whole island of ireland then i thought it might be better to prefix the townland names with boho . ok you can let me know how you think it is best to merge the articles ..Youngbohemian (talk) 11:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see -- unfortunately this goes against naming conventions on Wikipedia somewhat -- see the link for a full guide... I can understand your reasoning, it took me quite a while to get used to the fact that all pages on Wikipedia are essentially in one single place and treated the same, even if one page might be called "Lemon" and the next called "Levothyroxine". The trick is that the sorting out of these pages is done by category, rather than by inserting a prefix or suffix into the page name.

This means that pages can follow naming conventions (see link above): essentially, the page is named exactly what it would be called when referred to in the outside world (i.e. "Aghanaglack"), unless a page of this name already exists. In this case, and when it's a place name, the local geographically recognised area is added to the page name -- so if there was already another page named "Aghanaglack" (perhaps if there was another place of this name in, say, County Offaly) then the page referring to Aghanaglack in County Fermanagh would be best called "Aghanaglack, County Fermanagh". The content of "Aghanaglack" would then be moved to a new page called "Aghanaglack, County Offaly" and the original "Aghanaglack" page would be re-edited to become a disambiguation page, containing links to both articles.

Note that, currently, Aghanaglack is within the present category of townlands in County Fermanagh. If enough pages are created referring to townlands within the Boho area, then it might be worthwhile creating a category of "Townlands in Boho, County Fermanagh" -- but given that there aren't that many pages devoted to townlands in the whole of Fermanagh it might be best left as it is; I would recommend against it. The alternative however would be to create a list of townlands in Boho and either add it as a new section in the Boho article (see WP:EMBED), or if the list becomes long enough to be cluttering or taking away from the article, then as a new list page such as "List of townlands in Boho, County Fermanagh" (see WP:LIST). There is currently a List of townlands in County Fermanagh. Fattonyni (talk) 12:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: to resolve the above "Aghanaglack"/"Aghnaglack, Boho" issue I've imported all additional info from the latter article to the earlier, and marked Aghnaglack, Boho for deletion by an admin (administrators are the only ones able to delete pages). I've also created a redirect page at Aghnaglack to allow the alternate spelling of the place to link to the Aghanaglack article. Fattonyni (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

OK , i understand your reasoning now or should I say the reasoning of wikipedia . I will watch out for this in future articles . Really , a lot of articles I create just stem off the Boho article Youngbohemian (talk) 20:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Killydrum

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Added more references to important historical and geological (PASSI) associations with this townland Youngbohemian 23:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Knocknahunshin

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Thanks, i have added some historical perspectives to the article. Overall there are other main topics to discuss in this article as well as environmental and geological significance as part of the west fermanagh scarplands Youngbohemian 00:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Proposed deletion of townland articles

Hi youngbohemian, sorry I only spotted your message on my talk page today. By the look of things, you're doing the right thing at the moment with the townland articles; i.e. removing the proposed deletion tag and inserting more notable information into each article. Because Wikipedia is open and anyone can essentially start articles on any subject, a few rules are in place to ensure that the encyclopedia isn't filled up with empty or unnotable articles.

A couple of the articles above might not be quite up to a keepable standard yet, but they're going in the right direction. If you have further info that you really want to add to an article but haven't had time yet to research or cite properly, you can add it to the talk page of the article - maybe stick it under the heading "work in progress" or something. That way other editors will know that the article has more to give and would be less likely to propose it for deletion; some editors may even come along and do the research for you and make the necessary additions to the article.

Hope this helps! Fattonyni (talk) 16:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I have been swamped writing normal articles recently so i have not had the time to cite or even look up the articles but i will take on board the advice you gave Youngbohemian 12:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for proposing the articles for deletion, however they must meet WP:NOTABILITY, which i felt they didn't. You could merge the articles that are dubious as meeting WP:NOTABILITY into a single Boho parish townland article, with section-links to those townlands that merit an article to themselves. Such an article would thus contain more information and be notable enough for keeping. Or simply expand the seperate articles so that they each become notable in their own right. But the merging idea isn't a bad idea. Afterall its not quantity but qualility of information that is desired.

And thanks for rewritting that section in the Killydrum article as it was far too technical, though i think you may have gone a little overboard in the laymans terms but ah well at least non-knowledgable people can understand it now :-) Mabuska ^(talk) 13:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I was unavoidably busy, but i shall try to improve the quality of the articles. I was trying to avoid making an article that was too large but your suggestion may be the best way forward.Youngbohemian 14:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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BONAGH It seems the article has been deleted now. I have been extremely busy of late so I have not had the chance to go back and expand the article. More than a dictionary definition, it relates to an old system of patronage in early Irish history. There are a few historical references to the Bonagh but with a lot old words it has multiple different spellings. Some other time then . Youngbohemian 19:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Lisgoole Abbey - county fermanagh coordinates query

Hello Youngbohemian - i like the article Lisgoole Abbey to which you have contributed a lot but there is some thing wrong with the coordinates that you entered - they are showing Lisgoole Abbey to be located on Trannish Island upper Lough Erne! Lisgoole Abbey, as i'm sure you know, is just south west of Enniskillen and across the Erne from the Killyhevlin hotel and approx. to these coordinates= | 54°19′29″N 7°37′49″W also check out look forward to hearing from you - all the best - (User talk:Mervs68) 00:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

OK thanks Mervs68, I changed it to the coordinates mentioned in your note Youngbohemian 20:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Your welcome Youngbohemian - all the best (User talk:Mervs68) 22:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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