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- Zylog Systems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article, which was created by a now-banned user, fails WP:NCORP. It also seems that the company was shut down due to fraud in 2019. 🧙♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Fluentgrid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. Furthermore, the WP:BEFORE check has failed and not a PUBLIC/WP:LISTED company, as it claims on the page. Current page is just a WP:SPAM, full of company products and services links WP:NOTADVERT. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The article doesn't seem to have any problems. According to WP:SIRS, it is notable. Earth605 (talk) 16:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, but clean up. The company has potentially hundreds of instances of coverage in reliable sources. This article does it no justice. FalconK (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am intrigued to hear why you think so? I didn't pull up anything good when I did my quick look so I am curious about your rationale. Moritoriko (talk) 04:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Specific source analysis would be helpful
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Relisting comment: Can we get a a source eval please?
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- Adriano Ruchini (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article does not have significant coverage. It fails WP:GNG. Aneirinn (talk) 04:35, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Freebird Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am not convinced Freebird Games passes WP:NCORP. It has a dearth of coverage about the studio itself that isn't just about the To the Moon series, which doesn't have similar notability issues.
I do believe that Kan Gao, the games' mostly solo dev, is independently notable, per WP:NARTIST and various sources. [1] [2] However, he is likely notable under his real name for a biography article, not under the studio name for a company article. Thus, it would require a rewrite and has no bearing on this page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect How about RPG Maker? I moved all of the informations from Freebird Games wikipedia article into RPG Maker rather than deletion. GeniusTaker (talk) 14:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- If it were redirected to RPG Maker, it feels like it would run afoul of WP:SURPRISE. While To the Moon would be a better target, he also made numerous other games. So it would be better to delete to let the search function do its job, unless a page on Kan Gao were made. If you want to "rescue" the info, I'd suggest making said page using the aforementioned sources, and you could likely merge some of this into it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, technically, I already "rescue" the info. That'll be important is to delete or merge the article before I'll redirect the page into RPG Maker until Kan Gao appears as a Wikipedia page with reliable sources. GeniusTaker (talk) 09:48, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- If it were redirected to RPG Maker, it feels like it would run afoul of WP:SURPRISE. While To the Moon would be a better target, he also made numerous other games. So it would be better to delete to let the search function do its job, unless a page on Kan Gao were made. If you want to "rescue" the info, I'd suggest making said page using the aforementioned sources, and you could likely merge some of this into it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Well, if Freebied Games is virtually the brand of Kan Gao, would it not be appropriate to rename and repurpose the article instead? IgelRM (talk) 16:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- It can't be guaranteed that someone will actually do that after the discussion is concluded. It's better to start a new article at Kan Gao if you wish to transfer the information, then redirecting there would be a valid WP:ATD. Changing the scope of the article would also be a problem if one day Freebird Games did become independently notable of the creator. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:31, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'm unsure if this is relevant to WP:NCORP but Kan Gao is not the series "mostly solo dev" as seen here https://freebirdgames.com/about/ on the companies website. Falak89 (talk) 20:14, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe not, but the listing also doesn't show the devs' relative workload. Regardless, even if he isn't the main developer, it doesn't change my point. Gao is notable, the company isn't. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:08, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
- It is not relevant for NCORP. I might have exaggerated but I think a conversion would still be possible. IgelRM (talk) 12:04, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Nicole Giannino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage (either for her acting career or her ice hockey career) in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 23:36, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Agree: The CWHL fails Wikipedia:NHOCKEY/LA, and her career also fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Combined with the lack of media attention, I regrettably agree that this article should face deletion. That being said, there is something to be said about the inherent notability of someone who has consistently achieved at a high level, even when such achievement doesn't get media attention. Doesn't change my vote, but she is obviously extremely talented, and I dislike the deletion of the article because there isn't sufficient coverage. Unfortunately, we are at the whim of what media decides to cover, and what people decide to care about, and in this case, Women's professional hockey and inline skating is not it. Foxtrot620 (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep Two of the sources in the article, in Pulse magazine [3] and Telegram & Gazette [4], have sigcov of her. They do include interviews with her, but also have info about her career and her life outside hockey (studying biology and speech language pathology, which could be added to this article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Dayo Audi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A 15 year old unsourced article, the majority of hits when looking up his name are to mirrors or copies of the text from this article. The claim that he won the Mr Universe title in 2008 or any other year is not supported by the linked page. I could determine that he did compete in 2003 [5] where he reached a rather unremarkable 11th. I can't find any trace of the regional, national, European and World titles from three major Federations
either. Moritoriko (talk) 03:21, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. They do not appear to be notable. Aneirinn (talk) 04:52, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Source: [6] Also, he's on the cover of Bodybuilding International from March 1998 "Dayo Audi: Mr. Everything but the universe! Will he enter his year? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 05:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ombra Tamano (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not seeing coverage that goes beyond campaign, unsuccessful candidate not notable per WP:POLOUTCOMES Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 03:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. One is not notable just by being a political candidate. Aneirinn (talk) 04:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dan Bull (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV. All the sources currently on the page that aren't to, like, youtube videos are very short and barely talk about him. From google there's a Forbes WP:INTERVIEW but that's all I found. I like the guy's music but he doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for an article TheLoyalOrder (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: I am familiar with DB from Epic Rap Battles of History. From an inspection of the references, there appear to be many from YouTube and X, which are not reliable and violate WP:RS/PS. I am uncertain how to vote for now, so I will wait for others to give their opinions before settling on a vote. 11WB (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Found a feature from Huck (magazine). IgelRM (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- The Encounter of a Lifetime (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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nn Soviet fil --Altenmann >talk 03:00, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Holborn Adams (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet GNG and sounds a bit promotional. Uncle Bash007 (talk) 09:02, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Uncle Bash007 Thank you for your other message and feedback. I created the page because a link existed on another page that was red and didn't go to a page that existed. Wikipedia therefore suggested page creation and I have seen other similar pages so assumed this was fine so long as there are notable references available. The references are all news articles. I have made some changes in line with your feedback to make sure the copy is purely informational. It is not intended to be promotional but factual and I hope this improves it. There were also links on other Wikipedia pages to this page that should now work rather than link to a page that does not exist. Are these improvements suitable? Greenfieldsgreentrees (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Hmm so I'm kind of unsure where to go with this one... On the one hand the topic does seem notable but on the other there do appear to be genuine concerns about promotion with some coverage reading almost as paid (see [7] for example). I would say leaning keep for now with a mind to revisit in a year or two when more editors than just this one have had a crack at the article. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:33, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback @Horse Eye's Back. I created the article because there was a link to this page in red on another page that wasn't working, so Wikipedia suggested article creation. I have made some improvements to it in line with what another editor suggested. I thought that a wider selection of news sources would be useful, which is why that one was used, but I see your point about that coverage reading promotional in tone so I have removed it as I understand the importance of articles being neutral and purely informational. Greenfieldsgreentrees (talk) 07:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with points initially raised, but seems to have improved since in tone and news sources, so probably on balance now seems okay to keep. Leverdusoleil91 (talk) 14:00, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Development Fraction (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The only cited reference does not mention a "Development Fraction". It does mention a Fraction of Upholders of the Proclamation and a National Progressive Fraction but no Development Fraction. I cannot find other references about this fraction. Fails WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- del no coverage. Mistranslation? --Altenmann >talk 03:04, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- The 5am Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBOOK as none of the sources look reliable. All I found in a search were a handful of the very questionable kind of sources you get with a lot of self help books that are questionable independence wise and don't provide any commentary, or are unreliable. I cannot find two reliable reviews. Redirect to Robin Sharma? PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: There is coverage, but it's not about the book as much as it's about the concept of early rising. The book served as a jumping off point, but it's not really the focus of the article exactly. For example, this article in HK Vogue is more about the idea of waking up early with the book as an inspiration. This one from Health Digest does cover the book a bit more, but again it's about the practice not the book itself. Then there's this one by the Times of India which is made up of short bits over a series of images. Not really in-depth. I wasn't about to really look at this from Business Insider but it looks to be more like the Vogue and HD ones. This article by The National (Abu Dhabi) looks to be an actual review, but it's paywalled. I'm also not super familiar with this newspaper to know if it would be usable for reviews or not.
- Offhand what I would recommend is that some of the content get selectively merged into the main article for the author and this redirect there. It would need some editing for tone/flow, of course. I might do it if I get the time, but if anyone else wants to do it go for it. I'm going to hold off to see if someone else can find sourcing, but again - offhand the sourcing isn't really about the book in the way that we expect sourcing to go. It's enough that it should be mentioned somewhere, but I don't know that it's enough for its own article. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 23:18, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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List of Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side: Sword Oratoria light novels
[edit]- List of Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side: Sword Oratoria light novels (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not pass WP:NLIST and the main Sword Oratoria article isn't long enough for this to be worth a split out. Merge/redirect back. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:36, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: Is there any merit in adding the content back in and redirecting this to the main article? I do see what you mean by the article being short. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 23:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- I concur. I think this would be a logical third option between complete deletion and leaving the page up. Foxtrot620 (talk) 02:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge into the main article. It can always be split off again later, if merited. Metallurgist (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Elizabeth Tisdahl (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Former mayor of a city with a population of ~75k. I don't think that's an inherently notable position, and based on the ROTM news coverage cited, it doesn't seem like Tisdahl rises above any other mayor in terms of notability. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The notability of a mayor isn't contingent on the population of the city per se, but on the ability to write and reliably source content about her work: specific things she did, specific projects she spearheaded, specific effects her leadership had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. Content and sourcing of that type is present here — although obviously more would be welcome if possible, this is already considerably better than the "So-and-so is a mayor who exists, the end" approach that's much more likely to get a mayor's article deleted. Bearcat (talk) 15:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Satisfied WP:GNG. --Altenmann >talk 03:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- FASTCAM Super 10K (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe this article fails WP:GNG, no inline references, the external links mostly link to the same homepage on the company's website. Checked on the internet archive for them and it's mostly company product listing/promo. Can't find much online about it. Could be merged into Photron if appropriate, but may still be unsourced. Encoded Talk 💬 22:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- merge to manufacturer. noi independent notability --Altenmann >talk 03:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- FASTCAM Ultima 40K (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe this article fails WP:GNG, no inline references, the external links mostly link to the same homepage on the company's website. Checked on the internet archive for them and it's mostly company product listing/promo. Can't find much online about it. Could be merged into Photron if appropriate, but may still be unsourced / only primary sources if deadlines rescued. Encoded Talk 💬 22:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- merge to manufacturer. no independent notability --Altenmann >talk 03:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- FASTCAM Ultima 512 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe this article fails WP:GNG, no inline references, the external links mostly link to the same homepage on the company's website. Checked on the internet archive for them and it's mostly company product listing/promo. Can't find much online about it. Could be merged into Photron if appropriate, but may still be unsourced / only primary sources if deadlines rescued. Encoded Talk 💬 22:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- merge to manufacturer. noi independent notability --Altenmann >talk 03:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- PayChangu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unclear notability. The majority of the current sources ([8][9][10][11][12][13][14]) appear to be paid news. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 02:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- FASTCAM Spectra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe this article fails WP:GNG, no inline references, the external links mostly link to the same homepage on the company's website. Can't find much online about it. Could be merged into Photron if appropriate, but may still be unsourced. Encoded Talk 💬 22:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- merge to manufacturer. no independent notability --Altenmann >talk 03:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- FASTCAM SE (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe this article fails WP:GNG, no inline references, the external links mostly link to the same homepage on the company's website. Can't find much online about it. Might be best to merge into Photron. Encoded Talk 💬 22:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- merge to manufacturer. noi independent notability --Altenmann >talk 03:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- South Haven, Wabash County, Indiana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A residential neighborhood of Wabash apparently built in the mid-1950s if you believe the topos. Other than that I could find nothing except real estate stuff and juxtapositions with the place of the same name in Michigan. The Wabash article doesn't list neighborhoods, not that this one is notable anyway, so I don't see a redirect. The location appears to be way off, btw: the older topos that show it indicate it to be a strip pm the area now labelled. Mangoe (talk) 21:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following articles on Wabash neighborhoods/subdivisions:
- Sunnymede, Indiana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Valley Brook, Indiana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Delete all three - non notable mid century developments, fails GNG. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 16:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Tomorrow's Yesterday (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NFILM, nothing found to support notability in a BEFORE DonaldD23 talk to me 01:27, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- del fails WP:NFILM. --Altenmann >talk 03:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Paradha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NFILM, nothing found to support notability in a BEFORE DonaldD23 talk to me 01:22, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Dawn Evans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable person who, while elected to the state legislature, left the state before taking office, fails GNG. Talthiel (talk) 00:04, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Christian Urrutia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lawyer and congressional candidate. He sued on behalf of Victor Jara's family and held a minor position in the Biden administration, but that's about it. He's not really a notable person in and of himself, especially judging by the sparing news coverage, nearly all of which is run-of-the-mill stories that mention him as a congressional candidate. I'd support a redirect to 2026 United States House of Representatives elections in New Hampshire#District 1. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect. It is best. Aneirinn (talk) 04:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- 2017 XX61 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable asteroid with zero news and scientific coverage (see Google search). Fails astronomical object notability guidelines WP:NASTRO. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 00:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Forced orgasm (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not seem to be notable. Kinkly looks like a healthline-like site, i.e. unreliable. The Guardian article doesn't mention this and isn't even about it. A search on google scholar shows only passing mentions and unreliable sources. A search on google news does not bring up significant reliable coverage either. KnowDeath (talk) 00:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- The previous discussion on this contains no convincing arguments in favour of keeping. KnowDeath (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:INDISCRIMINATE: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is not merely mentioning that this practice exists. This is a mini-instruction guideline with explicit instructions and images of how to do this. — Maile (talk) 02:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep The topic of the article is important and noteworthy from a sexual, medical and perhaps historical point of view. Although the article basically does not refer to this content well, a Google Books search can list many sources. However, unsourced content and unhelpful images should be removed.
- Edard Socceryg (talk) 00:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
The topic of the article is important and noteworthy from a sexual, medical and perhaps historical point of view
- How? I couldn't find anything that corroborates this and you haven't provided anything either.
a Google Books search can list many sources
- All the books I can see are erotica or written by somebody who isn't an academic expert. KnowDeath (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - this is a fairly minor topic within BDSM and kink. Most of this short article is unsourced and the sources available look poor, giving little likelihood of improvement in the future. -- Polly Tunnel (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:23, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Chadwick, Sara B.; van Anders, Sari M. (January 2022). "Orgasm Coercion: Overlaps Between Pressuring Someone to Orgasm and Sexual Coercion". Archives of Sexual Behavior. 51 (1): 633–651. doi:10.1007/s10508-021-02156-9.
- ^ Chadwick, Sara B.; Grower, Petal; van Anders, Sari M. (December 2022). "Coercive Sexual Experiences that Include Orgasm Predict Negative Psychological, Relationship, and Sexual Outcomes". Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 37 (23–24): NP22199 – NP22225. doi:10.1177/08862605211073109.
- ^ Chadwick, Sara B; van Anders, Sari M. (2 January 2023). "What happens when people refuse to go along with orgasm coercion? An assessment of refusal strategies, perpetrators' subsequent reactions, and relationship and psychological outcomes". Psychology & Sexuality. 14 (1): 94–113. doi:10.1080/19419899.2022.2060130.
- ^ Levin, Roy J.; van Berlo, Willy (April 2004). "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review". Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine. 11 (2): 82–88. doi:10.1016/j.jcfm.2003.10.008.
- Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- These are about a different topic, they are not about the BDSM activity. KnowDeath (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. The topic of this article ("forced orgasms" as a kink or unconventional consensual sexual practice) appears to be unrelated to what Goldsztajn's sources say, which are about orgasms that are "forced" in the context of conventional (not kinky) sex, or in the context of nonconsensual sex (i.e. rape). I can't see anything in the article that could be substantiated by these sources, at least judging by their abstracts. The article needs deletion as unverifiable or at least not notable on the basis of currently produced sources. Goldsztajn's sources could be used in the article about orgasm instead. Sandstein 18:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- There are two different topics that are covered by this subject - coerced, non-consenual sexual activity which produces an orgasm and consensual, play sexual activity that mimics coercion and produces an orgasm. I've already provided sourcing on the former, there is sourcing on the latter.[1][2][3][4]
References
- ^ Monteiro Pascoal, Patrícia; Cardoso, Daniel; Henriques, Rui (1 April 2015). "Sexual Satisfaction and Distress in Sexual Functioning in a Sample of the BDSM Community: A Comparison Study Between BDSM and Non-BDSM Contexts". The Journal of Sexual Medicine. 12 (4): 1052–1061. doi:10.1111/jsm.12835.
There are several ways through which BDSM practices can divert distress away from concerns about sexual functioning, namely an emphasis on practices that require a good display of nongenital technical skills (e.g., flogging, bondage, needle play) and that produce sexual responses on their partners, or contexts where coitus is not even an option, and/or where typical anxiogenic markers of sexual function (such as not having an erection) are positively valued and even fundamental to the role play (e.g., male chastity belts, Cock and Ball Torture [CBT], cock humiliation, forced orgasm)
- ^ Sayın H, Ümit (6 August 2019). "DSM Controversies, Defining the Normal and the Paraphilia: Sexual Pleasure Objects, Fantasy, Variations, Soft-BDSM, ESR, Hypersexuality, Sex Addiction and Nymphomania". Forensic Science & Addiction Research. 5 (1). doi:10.31031/FSAR.2019.05.000608.
- ^ Greenberg, Arielle (2023). Superfreaks: Kink, Pleasure, and the Pursuit of Happiness. New York: Beacon Press. p. 93. ISBN 9780807020227.
- ^ Torre, Sofia (9 April 2021). "Critica della vittima masochista: Il caso di "Public Disgrace"". Whatever. A Transdisciplinary Journal of Queer Theories and Studies. 4 (1). doi:10.13131/2611-657X.whatever.v4i1.122.
Il suo agire sottomettendosi alle pratiche che le vengono imposte (forced orgasms; double penetration; face-slapping; spanking e bukkake) è in grado di condizionare il contesto e di caratterizzare l'intera scena: l'at-tenzione del pubblico, sia quello performante che quello a cui è rivolto il prodotto finale, è incentrata su di lei.
- FWIW, I disagree with the characterisation
"nonconsensual sex (i.e. rape)"
, nonconsensual sex is synonymous with sexual assault, rather than rape. Rape is a relic of criminal law that for far too long lawfully excused sexual assault where penetration could not be proven. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)- This article is (ostensibly) about the second topic, not the first. The sources cited above do not persuade me - to the extent I can access them, they merely mention "forced orgasms" among several other sexual practices, rather than describe what they are. This is not the sort of in-depth coverage we need to write a reliable article and to make the topic notable. Sandstein 18:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Sandstein, I would not consider this significant coverage, they are just mentions of the term. Additionally, Arielle Greenberg does not seem to be an academic expert in sexology or psychology; and the publisher of the book, Beacon Press, is literally blacklisted on Wikipedia. KnowDeath (talk) 00:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, the blacklisting might not be relevant. KnowDeath (talk) 00:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)- (Weak) Merge if there are no reliable sources for this are as thin as what @KnowDeath says, then I would say merge it with Bdsm or any other related articles, but if what @Goldsztajn said is true, and there is actually more reliable sources then please just entirely ignore my post, because then that gets into whether or not its a notable subject and i have no idea or interest in particiapting in that discussion.
- AssanEcho (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Socialist Workers Front (Marxist–Leninist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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about this article. Unfortunately, a quick search revealed little that will contribute to its notoriety; the citations are limited and outdated. If more substantial coverage is found, there may be opportunities for improvement. Lolitoo049 (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Per the Political parties in Panama navbox at the bottom of the article. This is listed in the "Defunct parties". — Maile (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2025 (UTC)