Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Question of correct naming and spelling in English, translating Polish

Greetings to all! I copy discussion from talk page of --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here}and also from article Heraldic family. I invite You to discuss this matter to reach consensus.

Infobox image changes

User @Sigsjak has recently made a series of edits which have changed how coats of arms of nations are presented in the infoboxes on their pages. In each case the simplest available image, which is typically the escutcheon alone, has been moved to the top of the infobox and other versions of the arms moved down; the effect of this is to give prominence to the escutcheon alone, rather than any full achievement which may exist.

As this is a wide-ranging change I thought it best to open a discussion. The affected pages are:

• Coat of arms of Belgium
• Coat of arms of the Netherlands
• Coat of arms of the United Kingdom (reverted)
• Coat of arms of Sweden
• Coat of arms of Portugal
• Coat of arms of Bulgaria
• Coat of arms of the Czech Republic
• Coat of arms of Denmark
• Coat of arms of Estonia
• Coat of arms of Georgia
• Coat of arms of Hungary
• Coat of arms of Serbia
• Coat of arms of Northern Ireland
• Coat of arms of Iceland

A.D.Hope (talk) 10:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Burke's and Debrett's - Digital source

We've already got links to many old editions of Burke's and Debrett's Peerage through the Internet Archive, Gutenberg, Google Books et al. but these are all scans of physical books. Burke's hasn't actually published for a long time and Debrett's announced in 2019 that future editions will be online only. How shall we get access to these? On their website access requires a paid subscription. Is there anyone in this project group with access? Is there any chance of getting Debrett's added to the Wikipedia Library? Robin S. Taylor (talk) 11:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at talk:Kingdom of Prussia § Flags (again)

 You are invited to join the discussion at talk:Kingdom of Prussia § Flags (again), which is within the scope of this WikiProject. The discussion concerns the need for two sets Flags and Coats of Arms in the infobox Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 09:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Shades of blue in the Cuban flag

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Republic of Cuba (1902–1959) regarding the shade of blue for the pre-revolution flag. The thread is Shade of blue on the cuba flag. Thank you. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Coat of arms request for John Laird, Baron Laird

Hey folks - big fan of the work you're all doing here. I came to humbly request a free SVG coat of arms for the article on John Laird, Baron Laird. I've put full details in the talk page, including a reference drawing from a non-free source which would be great on the page if adapted as a free SVG. I would be very grateful for any assistance. Many thanks in advance :) PointUnderstander (talk) 00:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Official blazons

Are unofficial blazons allowed to be put on Wikipedia (as in, blazons that the article editor came up with)? Potatek (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I'd say no. While WP:OI allows for the creation of original emblazonments from a blazon, I think WP:OR pretty concretely prohibits blazons from an image. I also think trying to create a blazon from and image is fraught with difficulties and an amateur Wikipedia editor is very liable to get it wrong (e.g. confusing Rampant and salient; or Or with Orange or Copper; etc.). In my opinion, it's not the sort of thing you can trust Wikipedia editors to do. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

What about specifying that they're unofficial blazons? Potatek (talk) 21:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I saw the page on the coat of arms of Syria specifying that the blazon was unoffical. Potatek (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Is that not a good example. It gives a blazon of Tierced in pale vert, argent, and sable, three mullets, and palewise gules; but why not Tierced in pale vert, argent, and sable, three mullets in pale gules or Per pale vert and sable, on a pale argent three mullets in pale gules. If there's no referable blazon that can be included, what's the point of making one up when it isn't even real. Just include a description in plain text when that's all that is citable (or don't include it at all). Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 00:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! Potatek (talk) 11:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

And a reader to whom the blazon is meaningful can conceive one on their own from the image; unless the reader is blind, or a charge is obscure. —Tamfang (talk) 06:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Flag of Hong Kong at FAR

I have nominated Flag of Hong Kong for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Country data Lebanon, Chehab family flag

Should c:File:Chehab family flag.svg be included in {{Country data Lebanon}}? I would argue not, as it can not really be seen as a "Lebanese" flag. The first flag intended to be used as a representation of Lebanese people is the 1918 one (c:File:Cedar flag.svg). Paine Ellsworth asked for consensus before removing the flag. Pinging VNW060222 who had requested its inclusion last year. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:27, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah maybe you right VNW060222 (talk) 15:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Good article nomination for Flag of Lebanon

Flag of Lebanon has been nominated for a good article status. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the nomination page. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)