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Move discussion in process

You are invited to participate in the move discussion at Talk:Chelís#Requested_move_26_September_2024. RedPatch (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Bees and toxic chemicals

Bees and toxic chemicals has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

There is a discussion at Talk:Insect euthanasia#Animal welfare that might be of interest. -- Otr500 (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened has been nominated for discussion

Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.

About 70 subcategories, the oldest from 2015, are also being proposed for deletion. HLHJ (talk) 04:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chrysolina fastuosa

Just want to ask here in case anyone else disagrees: would it be fine to rename Chrysolina fastuosa to Fasta fastuosa, reflecting its recent transfer to a genus of its own in [1]? (Fasta is a direct to FASTA, so I'll be following WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA and using the name of the species rather than the genus) This change has been accepted in the recently published Second edition of Catalogue of Palearctic Coleoptera volume 6/2 from earlier this year, and the name change has already been made on iNaturalist by its curators. [2] calls it by its old name, but a comment by its first author left on the online version indicates that he accepts the new name too. While most other web pages on the internet still call it Chrysolina fastuosa, these are mostly places that I expect are rarely or never updated (Fauna Europaea for one seems to be basically dead at present), and a google search for the new name indicates that some people have begun referring to the species by its new name already. Monster Iestyn (talk) 15:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coleoptera is a problematic order for sourcing and we don't seem to have a source we can rely on for deciding article titles and taxonomies for the taxobox (unlike the Species File databases for the polyneopteran orders. You have a primary source for the proposal and a newly published catalogue accepting the proposal as a secondary source (available from Wikipedia Library here). A second secondary source would be preferable, but there aren't likely to other new sources using alternative taxonomies. The comment in the second article adds support for the new name, as the article proposing the name changed was published after that article had been accepted. I think the move is justified based . — Jts1882 | talk 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jts1882 Yeah, based on a lack of clear consensus source for Coleoptera (or even just Chrysomelidae?), I wasn't sure if what I linked was available was good enough to justify the move, but if it is then that's good to know! I'll probably want to make updates to various other leaf beetle articles based on this new edition of the catalogue in the near future... though it itself proposes a large number of new changes in nomenclature and taxonomy too (as well as new country records and other data), so I'm not sure how to handle those exactly.

But anyway, thanks for your thoughts then, I'll go ahead and rename the article for this particular species in a bit. Monster Iestyn (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've being doing some searches for taxonomy sources for Coleoptera. Generally, I think those used by CoL are the best choices. I've only found a few others covering small beetle groups. I've summarised these sources on one of my user pages: Taxonomy_resources#Beetles.

While sources for genera and species are sparse there is a 2022 taxonomy revision that might be worth adopting. It's in the supplementary material of the Cai et al (2022) phylogenomic study.^[1]^[2] It introduces some new series in Polyphaga, further splits Cucujoidea into two new superfamilies, and has a complete taxonomy down to subfamily. An interactive taxonomy loaded by Patrice Bouchard on ChecklistBank that seems to follow these revisions for the higher taxonomy. It also includes tribes and some genera. — Jts1882 | talk 18:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jts1882 See also Appendix 1 of Bouchard et al. (2024), which has a complete taxonomy down to subtribe. Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't seen that paper. It looks like the same classification (shared authors), with the extra detail in that Appendix (to subtribes and more synonyms, plus type genera). It also looks like the limited genus coverage in the ChecklistBank listing is because it's including the type genera from that article. I think we should propose that article as the guideline taxonomy source for beetle article titles and taxoboxes. It's comprehensive, up-to-date, and without obvious alternatives. — Jts1882 | talk 11:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jts1882 Yeah, it seems to me about time to update List of subgroups of the order Coleoptera too. There are some bits of it I am hesitant about adopting, but I think some of those are sources of controversy anyway? (E.g. Alphacoleoptera aka "Protocoleoptera", which is found to be polyphyletic and discarded by Boudinot et al. (2023), as well as some of the higher group names like Zacoleoptera and Eucoleoptera, which are discarded and replaced roughly with clades Mesocoleoptera and Metacoleoptera also by Boudinot et al. (2023).) Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cai, Chenyang; Tihelka, Erik; Giacomelli, Mattia; Lawrence, John F.; Ślipiński, Adam; Kundrata, Robin; Yamamoto, Shûhei; Thayer, Margaret K.; Newton, Alfred F.; Leschen, Richard A. B.; Gimmel, Matthew L.; Lü, Liang; Engel, Michael S.; Bouchard, Patrice; Huang, Diying; Pisani, Davide; Donoghue, Philip C. J. (2022). "Integrated phylogenomics and fossil data illuminate the evolution of beetles". Royal Society Open Science. 9 (3). Bibcode:2022RSOS....911771C. doi:10.1098/rsos.211771. PMC 8941382. PMID 35345430.
^ Cai, Chenyang; Tihelka, Erik; Giacomelli, Mattia; Lawrence, John F.; Ślipiński, Adam; Kundrata, Robin; Yamamoto, Shûhei; Thayer, Margaret K.; Newton, Alfred F.; Leschen, Richard A. B.; Gimmel, Matthew L.; Lü, Liang; Engel, Michael S.; Huang, Diying; Pisani, Davide; Donoghue, Philip C. J. (2022). "Supplementary Information from Integrated phylogenomics and fossil data illuminate the evolution of beetles". The Royal Society. Journal contribution. doi:10.6084/m9.figshare.19355213.v2.

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[Cai2022-1] Cai, Chenyang; Tihelka, Erik; Giacomelli, Mattia; Lawrence, John F.; Ślipiński, Adam; Kundrata, Robin; Yamamoto, Shûhei; Thayer, Margaret K.; Newton, Alfred F.; Leschen, Richard A. B.; Gimmel, Matthew L.; Lü, Liang; Engel, Michael S.; Bouchard, Patrice; Huang, Diying; Pisani, Davide; Donoghue, Philip C. J. (2022). "Integrated phylogenomics and fossil data illuminate the evolution of beetles". Royal Society Open Science. 9 (3). Bibcode:2022RSOS....911771C. doi:10.1098/rsos.211771. PMC 8941382. PMID 35345430.

[Cai2022Supp-2] Cai, Chenyang; Tihelka, Erik; Giacomelli, Mattia; Lawrence, John F.; Ślipiński, Adam; Kundrata, Robin; Yamamoto, Shûhei; Thayer, Margaret K.; Newton, Alfred F.; Leschen, Richard A. B.; Gimmel, Matthew L.; Lü, Liang; Engel, Michael S.; Huang, Diying; Pisani, Davide; Donoghue, Philip C. J. (2022). "Supplementary Information from Integrated phylogenomics and fossil data illuminate the evolution of beetles". The Royal Society. Journal contribution. doi:10.6084/m9.figshare.19355213.v2.

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