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Holidays (musical)

This musical has been proposed for deletion at AfD. See WP:Articles for deletion/Holidays (musical). It got a New York Times review and quite a bit of other press, but it is hard to search for articles about it, because the name is a common word. I searched using the director's name and added a few more sources. Feel free to improve the article or comment at the AfD. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William A. Raidy

Editors may wish to comment at this discussion.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Input needed at Talk:Clay M. Greene#Issues

I would appreciate some other opinions at Talk:Clay M. Greene#Issues. The issue involves the interpretation of sources, and whether they have been accurately represented. All opinions are welcome.4meter4 (talk) 06:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Archive

I began compiling a list for myself of Internet Archive resources for musical theatre, and then realized that this could benefit the project. I've been WP:BOLD and moved my compiled list to Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Internet Archive. Obviously, the IA has more resources than just these and project members can feel free to add more sources. Hopefully other project members will find this useful. If project member don't already have an IA account, I suggest signing up. It's free and the majority of the resources in IA can be checked out at no charge. It's a great online library. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Internet Archive has become a fantastic resource. Thanks for adding the list! The IA also has the musical score to lots of shows. Does it have a lot of scripts to musicals? Is there a list of them? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't gathered those, but feel free to add materials/sections to the page as you see fit. This is meant to be a resource to the project, so whatever seems useful to you will probably be useful to someone else. I encourage everyone to add materials if they think they could be useful in expanding existing articles or creating new ones.4meter4 (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft of Smash (musical)

Hi everyone, I have been contributing to this draft and I am super keen for it to go live, as it really deserves its own page (some nods to this stage production of Smash are mentioned in the TV series page), can you help? Musicalge3k5 (talk) 23:16, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Musicalge3k5 It seems a bit early for this as the show will not premiere until March. I don't think this should go live until after it has had its premiere per WP:TOOSOON/WP:CRYSTAL. Generally we don't have pages go live in the performing arts until after a work has been reviewed. The current sources are all about project development on the pre-production end. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:41, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 4meter4 per WP:CRYSTAL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 and @Ssilvers thank you so much for the advice. I will hold off until then and hopefully will also find some more information to add to the page in the meantime. :) Musicalge3k5 (talk) 23:33, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Hello all, I've started a discussion on the naming conventions of articles that affect this WikiProject here. I'd love if people could get involved and add their thoughts/findings. – Meena • 17:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should musicals articles have hatnotes about their films?

Someone recently added a hatnote to the Frozen (musical) article referring to a play called frozen. I deleted it, as the title of the musical article is not ambiguous. Another editor has suggested that musicals articles should have a hatnote referring to their film versions. I disagree and argue against that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frozen_(musical)#Frozen_play_hatnote. Please comment either way at the talk page here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chita Awards?

User:RossyAmbarsari has been adding Chita Awards to the long lists of awards noted at the end of musical theatre articles. See their contributions here. I do not think this is appropriate, as the lists of musical theatre awards are already too long, containing such relatively minor awards as Critics' Circle. The choreographers' own articles can, of course, mention their Chita awards. What do others think? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Going by the way WP:FILM handles such things, I'd argue that any award that doesn't have its own article (as a way of establishing its significance) likely shouldn't be mentioned. DonIago (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The do have an article, but the awards apply only to dance and choreography, which are not, IMO, significant enough for the musicals' main article, but should be mentioned on the choreographers' article. IMO, it would not be encyclopedic for the musical theatre articles' awards section to go on and on with every award related in any way to the musical. IMO they already take up too much space at the bottom of articles. If someone wants a "complete" list of awards, one could write a subarticle per WP:SUMMARY. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's worth fussing over given we have a wikipedia page on the award. The awards get coverage in Playbill, Broadwayworld.com, etc. which are widely read. They do meet our notability guidelines. Another line in an awards table hardly seems disruptive on the musical pages. There aren't so many theatre awards at present that a split off page is needed, but maybe someday we will get there with certain shows. To my mind it isn't worth constantly policing the awards tables to remove awards that have stand alone articles. It's only likely to invite edit warring or wack-a-mole type editing. I'd just leave them if someone added them, but not go out of my way to add them myself.4meter4 (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Chita Awards shouldn't be removed from a musical's main article. Also considering that choreography are a significant part of many musicals, and they're associated with the "classic" version of some musicals (for example West Side Story, musicals by Bob Fosse & Jerome Robbins etc.) RossyAmbarsari (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]