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Requested move at Talk:David Gilbert (snooker player)#Requested move 2 December 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:David Gilbert (snooker player)#Requested move 2 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Split and scroll of Performance and rankings timeline

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Hi, I’d like to propose dividing large tournament result tables into smaller sections.

Currently, the tables can be scrolled, but on a PC, it’s not immediately apparent that they are scrollable (the bottom scroll bar is far outside the visible area). Dividing the data into four smaller tables would make it easier to edit and view the information.

I’ve already implemented this solution on another wiki, and I believe it could be beneficial for users of other languages as well ;)

Does that sound good?

Best regards, Nux (talk) 01:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support anything that makes these pages more easy to navigate. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good - like the idea to hide the performance table legend by default. Far easier to navigate. Andygray110 (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing this isn't a change we can automate, right? It's a manual process? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hm... 300+ pages... probably worth automating this. I already have some semi-automatic script, so I think I can try to do this en masse. It should be doable, as long as the tables are similar enough. Nux (talk) 19:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect it's nearer 500, I would have thought that all articles within have some sort of setup for this. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Non-snooker editor but I would like everyone to take a look at WP:DTT before commenting on the method that is currently used as opposed to the method that is more navigable. It’s a solution but it’s a solution that has been around to help support users who use screen readers or who are visually impaired. Specific topics: MOS:COLHEAD and MOS:TABLECAPTION (for legend captions). cc: @Andygray110, @Lee Vilenski, @Nux Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 12:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’d also support the removal of the 15% downgrade in size (makes it hard to read) and changing the gray text to black. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 12:36, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't support removal of size downgrade, it would make the tables even harder to navigate. 15% reduction is fine per MOS:SMALL. Andygray110 (talk) 18:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did a contrast test and it seems like we can keep the small font... as long as background colors are modified. Modified page test (invalid contrast before background changes). Test page here: User:Nux/test snooker player timeline. The problems are links which are relatively light (#3366CC) and so background in cells have to be even lighter. Nux (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s not the issue I mentioned, I mentioned the use of gray, particularly #555555 ( ), text instead of black test which is hard to see at a small font without zooming in. If it was black, like what is shown on Mink Nutcharut, it’ll be better to read. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowboygilbert that gray is not a problem. It gives great contrast of 7.45:1 which is fine even for the most strict WCAG AAA. See e.g.: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/ Nux (talk) 17:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you need to re-read what I wrote. I said with the small font, it’s hard to see. The contrast checker uses a 12 point normal size font while the font used the tables should be around 9-10 point font. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 17:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think you should look at this test:
https://wave.webaim.org/report#/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nux/test_snooker_player_timeline&oldid=1269628779
Contrast of link over white is 5.36:1. The gray you mention (#555555) is actually darker then the link color (7.45:1). Again. In this table there are much, much worse colors due to using links in the table. Font size is the same for all cells so that is not a problem. Nux (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we do need to meet DTT. My support is on the basis of turning it into more than one table. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From what I recall, and I did some work with WCAG, more sections are good. Screen reader users typically navigate using sections, so I think sections should be even better than just splitting tables mentioned in DTT. Nux (talk) 16:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All in support for any changes to improve the Performance Ranking table, however just like the last time this was proposed [mid-2024, by myself no less on a slightly different format], nobody makes the change and thus nothing ends up changing. If you intend to propose the idea, then I'd rather it just be done under the "Be Bold" rules, rather than waiting for wider community support in every new discussion, because there's been plenty of support -- directly or implied -- over the years for improving the table, but the action hasn't been taken. --CitroenLover (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Texaco International Charity Snooker Challenge

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A report in the September 1995 issue of Pot Black magazine says that Allison Fisher defeated Dieter Johns (187 points to 20; including a 107 break), Peter Ebdon, and then John Parrott 254-116 in the final, to retain the Texaco International Charity Snooker Challenge title. Jimmy White, Steve Davis, Terry Griffiths, Willie Thorne, amateur Mark Davis (or Davies) were the other participants in 1995. Len Ganley was the referee and David Vine presented the prizes? Has anyone seen this event in any other sources? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Have you seen this? It's a "fansite" so I'm not sure if you can use it for a citation.  Alan  (talk) 07:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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