Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts

Different artworks? Different pages?..

Hello editors,

I have a question about Follow my dreams page. It is about a hand-painted mural by the italian artist TVBoy in 2022 in the city of Barcelona. This mural was originally called "Super Alexia" where you could read in the background the phrase: "Follow your dreams" with the footballer Alexia Putellas stepped out painted in a Superwoman outfit with a cape clearly visible on her back. In 2023, due to the multitude of vandalism acts, the artist decided to redo the mural, but neither the phrase nor the drawing of the player were the same. You can see the clear differences with the 2022 painting: [1] and the 2023 updated painting: [2]

In the Talk:Follow my dreams I proposed to make different articles because the new painting of 2023 should be treated as a completely different one even if it is located in the same place and on top of the old painting. The painting and the message in the background is totally different as you can read in the article: [3]

Throughout history, many painters have painted over other paintings and they have never been treated as updates of these but yes as a different works. It is currently an active dispute with user Kingsif that recently moved the page (Super Alexia to Follow my dreams) and reverses the edits I made because he wants to fix the date of the old 2022 painting but the name "Follow my dreams" was created in the year 2023 not in 2022.

What do you think?

Requested move at Talk:George Washington (Trumbull)#Requested move 20 March 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:George Washington (Trumbull)#Requested move 20 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Painter article badly needed

Writer, Musician, Actor, etc. have stand-alone articles. This is just a redirect. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

You may be right, although to me it feels like 'Painter' is covered well in the Painting page and a competing article would overly diversify the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn Splitting such broad concepts is not the easiest task, but if we can have writing and writer, etc. I think there is a conceptual problem. And generally, such key professions can have subarticles. Painter can discuss painter's career, education, psychology, and likely a bunch of stuff we don't need or don't even touch upon in painting (activity). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

We have the fairly crappy artist - few artists are only painters. I agree with Randy Kryn we don't need another article; artist could certainly be improved. Obviously writing/writer is a completely different case - most people have undergone extensive training in writing, but are not writers. Johnbod (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Music/Musician. Acting/Actor. On the other hand, yes, Sculpting/Sculptor (both redirect to sculpture). Shrug. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Musician is hardly worth having, though actor is good, if highly Western-centric. Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Titling for Black Abstractionism

Hey all, hoping for some help from other modern/contemporary art editors. The article Black Abstractionism covers the recent - 20th century on - history of African–American and other Black artists creating and exhibiting abstract art. I flagged this on the talk page but didn't get any responses; I think the article is very important and contains info that totally belongs on Wiki, but it's nowhere near being in line with the MOS or Wiki's sourcing rules.

The bigger issue to me though is the title. I have no idea how editors came to the term "Black Abstractionism" as the authoritative phrase for the general history of abstract art by Black artists; I can't think of any notable authors who have posited that phrase as the primary identifier of this history/movement - lots of different terms abound, both historical and contemporary, from Afro-American Abstraction to Blackstraction, none have become the de facto or authoritative term in the literature, to my knowledge. Given the content of the article, it makes more sense to me to be titled something like "Abstract art by black artists" or similar. There have been a huge number of exhibitions/journal articles/books in the past 25 years chronicling this topic and history, so it clearly deserves an article of its own (even if, imo, and in the opinion of many scholars/artists, it's reductive to group artists as "black abstract artists" instead of simply "abstract artists" or even "artists"). The title just doesn't make sense to me.

Do others have insights into what this article should be titled? Again, I asked on the talk page but haven't heard anything. None of the sources seem to support the title as it's been chosen currently. 19h00s (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Noting that there are a lot of artist bios on here that now include language to the effect of "this artist was a figure in Black Abstractionism", seemingly added by editors working on this article. Because so many museums are now reusing Wikipedia content, a lot of museums have that copy republished directly on their websites, meaning people are reading info on a museum website that they will assume is authoritative that makes it seem as if this identifier is correct and universal. Wouldn't be surprised if this somehow snowballs into a sort of citogenesis situation with third party writers/reporters assuming that this term is the authoritative phrasing for this topic. 19h00s (talk) 20:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

New article for Everyone Hates Elon

Just a note that a new article has been created for Everyone Hates Elon, a political campaign group based in London. This article might be of interest to this project, as the group's activities include guerrilla art, protest art, subvertising/culture jamming and participatory art. I didn't want to presume, so haven't added a banner to the talk page myself! If the article is within the project's scope, please feel free to add the banner to Talk:Everyone Hates Elon. Pineapple Storage (talk) 10:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Neogeo art

Can someone more knowledgeable than me on the subject confirm if Neo-minimalism and Neogeo (art) are the same topic? TarkusAB^talk/contrib 08:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

It's complicated lol. I would argue that this is actually not even settled yet; these terms refer to such recent art historical trends/styles that critics and academics have not really agreed on strict definitions or divisions (nor will there ever be universal agreement, but we're not even at the stage of consistent critical consensus yet). The definitions are really linked to the specific critics who first invoked the terms and the artists they labelled as such. I'd say Neo-minimalism is a more widely used term but Neogeo is by no means out of use. They overlap quite a lot but the original meanings are distinct; Neo-minimalism was more about artists of the 80s/90s-on using some tactics/styles of historical minimalist artists (from the late 50s/60s); while Neogeo was originally meant to include artists who were deploying a modified version of the geometric abstractionist style of the 50s/60s (color field painting, Ellsworth Kelly, etc.), often with a distinct social critique baked into the work. Do those definitions overlap? For sure, in that you could categorize many artists under both because they made work that fits both definitions. But I think they are distinct in that they have specific origins with specific critics/artists. 19h00s (talk) 11:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with 19h00s. They are definitely not the exact same topic. Neogeo (art) is typically very specific 1980s East Village New York art and artists, where Neo-minimalism is typically much broader. Neo-Geo also typically has very strong pop art and appropriation art elements or influences, that are not typically present in much Neo-minimalist art. Both articles look like they need some work! Asparagusstar (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)