Talk:2012 Istanbul rally to commemorate the Khojaly massacre

This article was nominated for deletion on 8 January 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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"We are all from Khojaly"

Why do we ignore that the main slogan of the rally was "We are all from Khojaly" ?! Best, Konullu (talk) 21:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't. --E4024 (talk) 22:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change of title

The rally was organised to commemorate and "protest" the Khojaly Massacre in its anniversary. Its name was also this. Hearing anti-Armenian slogans and chants in such a protest, although disturbing, is no surprise (read the article on the massacre) and not a reason to name the article as it was named before the move. Simple as that. --E4024 (talk) 21:58, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to move. The title is very misleading, and not in line with WP:NPOV. According to all sources the rally was to commemorate Khojaly massacre, and the actions of a few extremists do not make the entire rally anti-Armenian. Grandmaster 20:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I believe that it should be titled something like 2012 Istanbul rally to commemorate the Khojaly massacre. The fact that it turned into an anti-Armenian protest is in the lead para. Chienlit (talk) 10:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Article on Asbarez

Article on Asbarez.com gives WRONG translation to placard, the translation is not "You are all bastards". The references to this article have to be removed. Best, 188.142.246.17 (talk) 21:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hepiniz Ermenisiniz, Hepiniz Picsiniz (See: Photo) translates directly into "You are all Armenian, you are all bastards".Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the photo on Asbarez which is incorrectly translated. Regarding your photo, you can see that there are so many slogans and posters, and only one of them is against Armenians. Therefore article has to devote shorter content to this slogan, while it shouldn't ignore the Armenian view on this. Best, 195.212.29.186 (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asbarez is a publication by the Armenian nationalist Dashnak party, and it is not a reliable source due to partiality in this issue. And it clearly mistranslated the slogan on the picture, which proves my point. Grandmaster 15:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Milliyetçi Türkiye Partisi

The "Asbarez" news (see section above) shows a photo in which a group carries a placard (BTW it has nothing to do with the word "bastard") with slogans signed by "Milliyetçi Türkiye Partisi" (Nationalist Turkey Party). I follow Turkish politics closely and had no idea -until I saw this pic- that there was a political party in Turkey with that name. Now I checked in internet and could see very few references to this party other than those in their own webpage. Looks like it could be another of the many "signboard parties" in Turkey... --E4024 (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please check out their official website: http://www.mtp.org.tr . Dar geliyor is their slogan. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bana da "daral geliyor", from obsessed users here. --E4024 (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Proudbolsahye, do you know the meaning of "Dar Geliyor"? It has nothing to do with the word "bastard", anti-Armenianism, racism, etc. Best, 195.212.29.186 (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The slogan that reads: "Today Taksim, tomorrow Yerevan: we can come suddenly at night". Could it be considered racist or threatening? I really doubt that. Grandmaster 20:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The chant which supported Ogun Samast, the convicted assassin of ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink

Hi, Proudbolsahye, could you give the link with picture to the chant which supported Ogun Samast, the convicted assassin of ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink? Otherwise, I will remove that sentence from article. Best, 193.225.200.92 (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

"Zaytung" is a Turkish satire internet page and makes "news" in a satirical way. (For example the other day one so-called "news" of the Zaytung was reported by the Armenian press that a Turkish Ambassador in some Subsaharian African country was propaganding in the country's parliament in favour of a "recognition" so that his government would call him back to Ankara... :-) I know not which other people would take Zaytung's "news" seriously but here in WP we cannot. (The other day I also read in Zaytung that the Greek Government had decided to rename "Greek coffee" and "Greek yoghurt" as "Turkish coffee" and "Turkish yoghurt", respectively... :-) Please cut "Zaytung" from the sources, if not, they could begin making satirical news about the coverage of articles regarding Turks and Turkey in WP... --E4024 (talk) 15:08, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another "news" from "Zaytung": "A historical step backwards from the Armenian diaspora". Maybe the same editor that used Zaytung as a "reliable source (!)" could kindly translate this news for use in WP. --E4024 (talk) 16:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

The first sentence of the "Reactions" section has nothing to do with a reaction. So it has to be removed or moved somewhere else. Source no 45 (at present) of the "Zaytung" has to be removed as explained at the above section. --E4024 (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Union of Socialist Azerbaijanis of Turkey

Who are these people? Do they actually exist? Why are they notable? An encyclopedia cannot quote the opinion of every marginal group. Grandmaster 20:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Section of Khojaly Massacre is unnecessary

The section on Khojaly Massacre is unnecessary. I will remove it if there is no objections. 1) This is about the protest 2) There is an article about the massacre already 3) The paragraph has been copied and pasted into at least three articles (a user was recently banned for doing so) 4) It has highly POV terms such as brutal, totally exterminated and etc. 5) Very unreliably sourced (has YouTube videos and non-third party sources)

I am in deep sympathy will all lives lost in the war. However, my concerns is for the simple betterment of Wikipedia. Proudbolsahye (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Humiliating Video

Video of the Protest and interviews with protestors (Subtitled in English) video has nothing to do with protests. It's Only insulting the people and violating personal privacy. The camera guy provokes people and secretly films. It's against WP:Privacy policy --Kafkasmurat (talk) 22:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The video is relevant to this public demonstration and displays both the political and racist tones of the event. I don't find the video insulting or humiliating. Many protestors willingly held those signs...they weren't forced to do so. In fact, I personally find that the only insulting aspect of the video is the discriminatory and racists signs held at the protest. As for the privacy policy, the video belongs to DailyMotion and not Wikimedia Foundation. Therefore, it must be accordance with their privacy policy first. If you truly believe that the video is a violation of privacy, you will have to consult with them. But I doubt that you'll go anywhere far since this was a public demonstration and not a private meeting. Above all, the people in the video agreed for an interview and were not forced into one. The cameramen and microphones were out in the open. The interview was not done covertly or candidly in any way, shape or form. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you real? For sure, it's candid. If you want to see of course. Malicious camera guy provokes people. What does he trying to do? Freedom of the world? He's there to dispraise.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 21:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]