Talk:Am Yisrael Chai

Am Yisrael Chai and Zionism

A previous edit, which states that "Am Yisrael Chai is a Jewish solidarity anthem" is not entirely correct, as the use of this phrase has been exclusively connected to the Zionist movement throughout history. Western politicians will often use this phrase as an affirmation of their support to the actions of the Israeli state, further validating this association. Considering there are also non-Zionist Jewish people who do not use this phrase, it would be more accurate to describe it in relation to Zionist ideology.

While the organization responsible for the phrase's popularization, the "Student Struggle for Soviet Jewry", was not explicitly a Zionist organization and merely advocated for the emancipation of Jewish people within the USSR, their efforts in pushing for the USSR to allow Jewish immigration to Israel would not only be essential to the Zionist state project, but many founding members themselves identified as Zionists such as Jacob Birnbaum and Dennis Prager. Israeli politician Natan Sharansky would later state that "Jacob [Birnbaum] was the first to start the struggle", the struggle being modern Exodus to Israel. My point here is that Am Yisrael Chai cannot be separated from the Zionist movement and this page must make such an association clear, as it cannot in good faith be identified as purely a Jewish statement of solidarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.41.245.115 (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

For those that disagree with this assessment, I would then invite them to find instances of its use in Bundist media or in contemporary anti-Zionist Jewish organizations, as my attempts to do so have been unsuccessful.

See also

An editor keeps adding "From the river to the see" which is not related or have anything to do with a Jewish solidarity anthem. Per WP:SEEALSO, links should be "tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article or be in the same defining category." Seeking to add information required WP:ONUS. Please explain how the phrase is related to the subject of this article. Longhornsg (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Both are political slogans that have been used very much in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. VR _talk 15:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There are both in Category: Phrases related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. VR _talk 15:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Here are some articles that compare them: Harvard Crimson[1], The Orange County Register[2] etc.VR _talk 04:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Undue focus on Post October 7th

It seems this article places a lot of references to instances on the phrases usage after the Oct 7th attack. This seems to portray a borrow view on the impact the phrase has had prior to that and may leave readers with a skews perception on the phrase's usage. It seems strange not to mention that it is one of the most common songs at Jewish weddings and during Shabbat and holidays singing/dancing. 174.89.248.50 (talk) 07:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

There's only two paragraphs devoted to use post-October 7. Both are well-sourced and mirror the volume and diversity of reportage on the phrase's significance during that time period. If you can provide RS about its use at weddings, on Shabbat, and during holidays, we can add them in. Longhornsg (talk) 09:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)