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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Autism and working memory was merged into Autism and memory with this edit on 29 July 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2020 and 25 April 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Kelseystrauss.

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Class Project

For a class project, myself and Gocobb will add to this page on autism and working memory. We feel that the section, Physiological Underpinnings, is a little cryptic and can be simplified. We also plan to flesh out a few of the Characteristics sections including the one on visual and spacial memory as well as the one discussing auditory and phonological memory. Lastly, we plan to add a section focusing on experimentation regarding working memory in autistic individuals. Wefogg (talk) 03:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC) Gocobb (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Peer Reviewers

I apologize for putting this up so late, but nonetheless, please critique the current version of the page. Thank you. Wefogg (talk) 02:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Visual and spatial memory

Second sentence in this section is: "People with autism can only maintain 4-5 objects at any given point."<ref name="Takahashi">{{cite journal|last=Takahashi|first=Junichi|coauthors=Jiro Gyoba|title=Self-Rated Autistic-Like Traits and Capacity of Visual Working Memory|journal=Psychological Reports|year=2012|month=June|volume=110|issue=3|pages=879-890|doi=10.2466/24.02.04PRO.110.3.879-890}}</ref> I have a hard time believing this is really what the source says, but I don't have access to this source. User:Wefogg who added this sentence, made their latest edit 20th of april and is probably gone. Could anybody with access to the source please check what the source says? Thank you! Lova Falk talk 20:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have access, but it is a huge claim for a primary article. Most probably means that in that specific experiment with their specific population and experimental paradigm their participants only had a working memory span of 4-5. I would simply eliminate it all. --Garrondo (talk) 07:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Garrondo, that is just what I'll do! Lova Falk talk 08:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed

A bit of rambling about a rather shocking unravelling

PS And while you're at it, could you please check also this sentence: "Some evidence has been found for spatial accuracy, incorrect-response, social functioning, and imagery skill suppression not only in autistic children, but also in their parents." One of the sources for this sentence is the above mentioned Takahashi article. (evidence has been found for incorrect-response?? for social functioning?? for imagery skill suppression?? what is imagery skill suppression??) I Lova Falk talk 21:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please, no need to bother with the second sentence, this sentence was too strange to keep, so I removed it. Lova Falk talk 21:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aha. I checked History, and 19 february this year, the sentence was as follows: "and in fact some evidence has been found for spatial accuracy and incorrect-response suppression not only in autistic children, but also in their parents". So what happened is that an editor added social functioning, and imagery skill in the middle of incorrect-response suppression - creating incorrect-response, social functioning, and imagery skill suppression.

Unbelievable! Lova Falk talk 21:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, even the original sentence was weird (evidence for spatial accuracy and incorrect-response suppression in autistic children and their parents? Well, that are good things!) so I won't put it back in. Good night good folks! Lova Falk talk 21:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Updates on the first path

Should the sentence "Autism is one of three recognized variations in the autism spectrum (ASDs), the other two being Asperger syndrome, which lacks delays in cognitive development and language, and pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS), which is diagnosed when the full set of criteria for autism or Asperger syndrome are not met." potentially be updated to reflect the 2013 changes to the DSM V, which has removed Asperger's and PDD-NOS as available diagnoses? Although previous diagnoses with these remain for those diagnosed prior to the DSM V, I don't believe any new diagnoses are given these two labels (https://iancommunity.org/cs/simons_simplex_community/dsm5_and_asd). Pseudomugil (talk) 04:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of Autism and memory with Autism and working memory

unclear why these aren't together, as they're the same topic Mason (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the two articles cover the same topic. Working memory is a sub-topic of memory, as are declarative memory and implicit memory. From my perspective the working memory article is more closely related to executive functioning & information processing, while the memory article has more to do with information systematizing & retrieval. It still might make sense to merge them, though, especially if the underlying physiological underpinnings are similar. In any case, both articles are about a decade behind and need to be updated.--TempusTacet (talk) 11:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One article is somewhat broader than the other. I think it would make sense to merge Autism and working memory into Autism and memory. Working memory is just one type of memory. Hist9600 (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you both, that wm is a subtopic of memory. (When I wrote the little comment above, I thought that I was writing an edit summary, not a fully-cooked summary.) Mason (talk) 14:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mason Shall we go ahead with the merge?--TempusTacet (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in support, and it seems like no one has strong opinions to the contrary. Mason (talk) 12:13, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would you perform the actual merge & restructuring? I'm more than happy to take care of the "merge" templates on the talk pages, checking the redirects, and any copy-editing necessary (eg cleaning up references and removing duplicates).--TempusTacet (talk) 13:28, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can do that. It won't be amazing, as I don't know much about the content area. But it should be enough for other folks to work with Mason (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I've moved everything onto the other project. I'm going to start moving the chunks around Mason (talk) 13:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I'll start cleaning up this article now, turning it into a redirect and placing the appropriate templates.--TempusTacet (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So I took a stab at rearranging it, but honestly, it's a lot, and the working memory research feels a bit like a book report without much synthesis before diving straight into the nitty-gritty. I'm going to circle back to it, but I need to take a break, as I have similar tasks for my own research today. Mason (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. Yes, the article (like many of the "autism and ..." type) is more a collection of individual findings/hypotheses rather than a coherent overview of the topic.--TempusTacet (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Thanks for your help on this!!! Re: Autism and articles... in some ways that reflects the scientific literature, which has a lot of room for growth. The bulk of the literature has such a medical model/focus on the mechanisms vibe. (Or at least that's my sense from the behavior genetic sidelines) Mason (talk) 15:40, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]