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– According to Talk:Internment of German Americans#Requested move, such article titles are grammatically ambiguous. Also, the majority of similar articles (Internment of Japanese Canadians, Internment of Italian Americans, Internment of Japanese Americans, etc) use the title pattern "Internment of X". Russian Rocky (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i would prefer Internment of Italian/Ukrainians by Canada given that the people interned were not necessarily of hyphenated identity—blindlynx 00:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The pattern "Internment of [X] by Canada" implies that all internees had nothing to do with Canada and weren't citizens of Canada, which contradicts to what the articles Italian Canadian internment and Ukrainian Canadian internment say. Also, "Italian Canadians" and "Ukrainian Canadians" include both citizens of Canada and immigrants of Italian/Ukrainian origin in Canada.
  • Italian Canadians: "Italian Canadians or Italo-Canadians (French: Italo-Canadiens; Italian: italocanadesi) are Canadian-born citizens who are fully or partially of Italian descent, whose ancestors were Italians who migrated to Canada as part of Italian diaspora, or Italian-born people in Canada."
  • Ukrainian Canadians: "Ukrainian Canadians[N 1] are Canadian citizens of Ukrainian descent or Ukrainian-born people who immigrated to Canada." Russian Rocky (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where the Ukrainian Canadian internment article says they were citizens of Canada. It seems to say they were aliens. Srnec (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just fyi..... They were British nationals at the time because Canada did not have its own citizenship yet (Canada was not independent yet)...the War Measures Act suspended any British nationals rights that they had despite being here perhaps for generations.Moxy🍁 04:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's the first paragraph after the lead section of Ukrainian Canadian internment: "Along with Austrian-Hungarian prisoners of war, about 8,000 Ukrainian men, women, and children – those of Ukrainian citizenship as well as naturalized Canadians of Ukrainian descent – were kept in twenty-four internment camps and related work sites (also known, at the time, as concentration camps)."--Russian Rocky (talk) 13:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed "Before 1947, both people born in Canada and naturalized immigrants were considered British subjects. The Canadian Citizenship Act came into force on 1 January 1947. It was the first nationality law to define people as Canadian." Moxy🍁 09:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed "those of Ukrainian citizenship" to "those Ukrainians of Austrian-Hungarian citizenship" as well. Britain was at war with Austria-Hungary, not with Ukraine. Russian Rocky (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who has written a fair number of articles about internments and detention, although not so much in the Canadian context, IMO there is no perfect solution here and a plain language description should be used. I think the citizenship issues are being glossed over a bit even in the article--what Ukrainian citizenship did someone have in 1917? Were they newly arrived with a passport from a Soviet republic, or had they emigrated a few years earlier from a now-collapsing empire? And back then many identified as Ruthenians or other local identities and not Ukrainian Canadians. But "Ukrainian Canadians" in general gets the concept across in an accessible way at the title level even if we're projecting our present day concepts backwards a bit. Dan Carkner (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Italy, Canadian Wikipedians' notice board, and WikiProject History of Canada have been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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