Talk:Lingayat Vani

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Poorly sourced article meant for caste promotion

Need help! Pinging Sitush in spite of being aware that he is not much active now! Would like to request Abecedare, Bishonen, RegentsPark to watch this article and take necessary action as & when required! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 09:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging LukeEmily for help! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ekdalian:, thanks for bringing attention to this article. I will look into this. Also, see Lingayatism. Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ekdalian, please see this quote from NARAYANA and SUBRAHMANYAM.The possibility of acquiring wealth in the form of cash created conditions of upward mobility, that were different from those created by simple military conquest. The emergence of the left-hand caste Balijas as trader–warrior–kings as evidenced in the Nayaka period is a consequence of such conditions of new wealth. This produces a collapsing of two varn. as, Kshatriya and Vaishya, into one. Acquired wealth, rather than status by birth in a family now leads to an entirely new value system where money talks^[1] The phrase used is "upward mobility" (created by wealth). This indicates that the Balijas were formed by upward climb in the varna system and a varna that was a mix of vaisya and Kshatriya was created due to acquiring wealth. However, the article is phrased as if the Kashtriyas and Vaishayas combined to form the Balijas. If that were the case, why would the writers call it "upward". I don't have access to the source. Hence cannot verify the quotes/content. But the paraphrasing needs to be discussed.LukeEmily (talk) 02:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure LukeEmily! Thanks for your comments and the analysis of the statements which I couldn't verify as well! Ekdalian (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ RAO, VELCHERU NARAYANA; SUBRAHMANYAM, SANJAY (2009). "Notes on Political Thought in Medieval and Early Modern South India". Modern Asian Studies. 43 (1): 175–210. doi:10.1017/s0026749x07003368. ISSN 0026-749X. The possibility of acquiring wealth in the form of cash created conditions of upward mobility, that were different from those created by simple military conquest. The emergence of the left-hand caste Balijas as trader–warrior–kings as evidenced in the Nayaka period is a consequence of such conditions of new wealth. This produces a collapsing of two varn. as, Kshatriya and Vaishya, into one. Acquired wealth, rather than status by birth in a family now leads to an entirely new value system where money talks.

[1] RAO, VELCHERU NARAYANA; SUBRAHMANYAM, SANJAY (2009). "Notes on Political Thought in Medieval and Early Modern South India". Modern Asian Studies. 43 (1): 175–210. doi:10.1017/s0026749x07003368. ISSN 0026-749X. The possibility of acquiring wealth in the form of cash created conditions of upward mobility, that were different from those created by simple military conquest. The emergence of the left-hand caste Balijas as trader–warrior–kings as evidenced in the Nayaka period is a consequence of such conditions of new wealth. This produces a collapsing of two varn. as, Kshatriya and Vaishya, into one. Acquired wealth, rather than status by birth in a family now leads to an entirely new value system where money talks.

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