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Isaac Lee (2 April 2020). "Penn Museum faculty, students create Wikipedia pages about women to boost representation". The Daily Pennsylvanian. Retrieved 4 April 2020. Other notable women whose articles were edited during the Wikithon include Penn art history professor Holly Pittman; Maria Martinez, a Native American artist whose work is featured in the Penn Museum; and Zelia Nuttall, an anthropologist who represented the Penn Museum at the coronation of the Russian Tsar Nicholas II and Tsarina Alexandra.

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I have always believed

that the Nationality field in the info box referred to what country the person was a citizen of. Which is to say, what country's passport she or he would use if they travelled abroad. So, I find Native American to not be satisfying in that slot. I am inclined to change it to either United States or American or something, but thought I'd post here first. If that is not acceptable, then perhaps Pueblo would be a better option than what is there, because ...... well you can probably guess why because. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added "Tewa" to the nationality section of the infobox today so it now reads "Tewa, Native American." It is tricky since the box says "nationality" and not ethnicity, and it gets a bit complicated with the San Ildefonso Pueblo, which is self-governing. This was the solution I came up with, expecting of course that it might still be insufficient.--Arthistorygrrl (talk) 18:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Maria" vs "Martinez"

I changed several instances where the artist was referred to as "Maria" to "Martinez," as it is customary in art history as well as other disciplines to refer to a person by their surname unless the author had a personal relationship with that individual. I left "Maria" in some of the section that discuss the division of labor between Maria and Julian since it is customary to use first names for clarity's sake when discussing multiple people with the same surname. --71.202.194.168 (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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@Netherzone:: I disagree with your deletion of the “synopsis” of the Peterson book, which I had included for a reason: As the best-known native potter, there are innumerable images of Martinez’ pottery, and her history is well documented in many online and published sources – but images showing the actual process of creating her works are rare. Maria and family would have been aware that this was being photographed, and appear to have been happy to have allowed it (by accounts, she was generous about sharing). The photo sequences would be of great interest to most craft potters, as well as Martinez’ large group of fans. IMHO the synopsis is appropriate to include. Kokopelli-UK (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kokopelli-UK, thank you for your note, and nice meeting you here.

I simply removed the editorialization - the unnecessary "book review" (synopsis of the book) in Further reading, and left the book listed under "Further reading" (even tho having it in FR does not comply with MOS:FURTHER). I know the Peterson book very well and have read it cover to cover, and it is in my personal library. It's an excellent book, and as you say very beautiful with great images, so that is not the problem. The problem is, according to the MOS, it should not be listed at all in "Further reading" since it is already used in the References section (and prominently so).

I too found the process photos in Peterson's book really interesting. I uploaded this one sometime ago:

There are other images from the early 1920s on Page 121 of Peterson, that could be uploaded since they are now out of copyright including one of she and Julian digging clay. The other images of Maria working (pgs 123-127) are from the 1930s so they are not yet out of copyright (but will be soon, especially if we can find the exact creation date in the 1930s. I am wondering also, if UNM has some images in their digital library archival holdings that are out of copyright/public domain. Something to look into, maybe? If copyright-free images can be found of her working, a small gallery section could be added along with specific content on her process.

You could also think about writing an article on Peterson's Living Tradition... book itself if there are enough book reviews to support GNG and/or NBOOK; then creating a wikilink to the article on the book itself.

BTW, I know the work of Maria Martinez very well. Not to toot my own horn, but I created the article on Black-on-black ware which features her prominently, as well the article on her son Popovi Da who she collaborated with, and the Pueblo pottery article. So please try understand that my edit was not meant to in anyway diminish the importance of Martinez, her family, her work or the representation thereof.

Well, sorry to ramble on so long, please forgive the length of my reply! Again, nice to meet you here. Netherzone (talk) 20:22, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. I can't dispute the reason for deletion in accordance with Wiki standards, though IMHO those standards are a bit bureaucratic. The article text does describe Martinez' process, but..."a picture is worth a thousand words." Oh, well...

Our paths have crossed before, so I give my much-belated thanks for your compliments on my contributions to Black-on-black ware, back in April 2021.

I'm currently gathering info for a couple of new Pojaque-area articles; one on Tony Da and another on Nambe ware / Nambe Mills. At my physical distance from NM I'm mostly limited to on-line sources, but if I get the pages set up than some other editor(s) should be able to fill in the blanks. Best regards, Kokopelli-UK (talk) 18:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good to hear from you @Kokopelli-UK, I know how that is about bureaucracy getting frustrating sometimes and understand what you mean about the value of images to convey content. I'll continue to keep my eyes open for more copyright-free process images; I added a small gallery to the article that could be built upon, and the captions can be improved. If you feel really strongly about including the extended description that I removed, just go ahead and restore it. It's not that big of a deal. Or maybe it can be worked into the body of the article along with page numbers? I saw that there are a couple reviews of the Living Legacy book on JSTOR, two of them specifically mention the photos.

Let me know if I can help out with the Tony Da & Nambe ware articles for which you are gathering info. It's surprising we don't have articles on those topics. When I'm back in NMex in late spring/early summer, if there is something you'd like me to photograph, feel free to let me know. Netherzone (talk) 20:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]