Talk:Marusankakushikaku

A fact from Marusankakushikaku appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 February 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that scholars have discussed whether a 19th-century artwork by Sengai should be titled "○△□" or "□△○"?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:54, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"The Universe" by Sengai

... that it is said that Sengai made a Zenga describing the universe with only circle, triangle, and square ?

Source: https://idemitsu-museum.or.jp/collection/sengai/sengai/03.php

ALT1: ... that a Zenga consisting of circle, triangle, and square is said to be the universe from Sengai's view? Source: https://idemitsu-museum.or.jp/collection/sengai/sengai/03.php
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Comment: Yes, I didn't want to use "it is said that" for many reasons, but since we will never know the true intention behind the work, and that "The Universe" analysis seems to be the common practice per the museum page, and the English WP:COMMONNAME per the jawiki version and a lot of sources, I have no choice.

ALT1 is just a reworded one. Felt like using the actual article name would confuse people reading the main page, and the title is a bit cluttered.

Created by AlphaBetaGamma (talk).

How about:

ALT2:... that scholars have discussed whether a a 19th-century artwork by Sengai should be called "○△□" or "□△○"? DS (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

What an intriguing article. Assuming good faith on the offline/Japanese sources, I think this is just about new and long enough. The proposed hooks are all very interesting, although I personally like ALT2 the most--how often are paintings named like so (and the reader is compelled to click, if only to find out what exactly it's a painting of...). QPQ not required. Great job ABG. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go with ALT2 ._. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Square or rectangle?

The article describes one of the three shapes as a square. Though freehand, it is obviously a rectangle but not a square; it is higher than it is wide. Accordng to Google Translate, the Japanese 四角 means "four corners", but I do not know what this usually means in Japanese - by simple logic, it should mean just "quadrilateral", but perhaps it usually means "rectangle", or even "square"; I do not know. Anyone? Nø (talk) 08:03, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

四角 is a compound of the kanji "four" and "corners" but indeed it usually means "square". "Rectangle" is 長四角 ("long square") and "quadrilateral" is 四角形 ("four-corner shape"). 2A00:23C7:548F:C01:CE5:EDE4:F485:8B9E (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Title explanation confusing?

I don't know if I'm just being an idiot but I can't really follow the explanation under the "title" heading. "The work is usually titled "□△○", with the shapes ordered from right to left, as the rakkan is on the left of the work." But if the shapes were orderd right to left the circle is first isn't it? So shouldn't the name be circle-triangle-square? "However, as it is thought that the shapes were drawn from left to right due to the darkness of the ink, "○△□" has been proposed as an alternative title". But the circle is on the right isn't it? So shouldn't this say "it is thought the shapes were drawn from right to left"? RestaurantMarsupial (talk) 12:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I fixed it. Iluzalsipal (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93 @AlphaBetaGamma @Kingoflettuce How did a DYK hook that was not correctly explained in the article (see above comment) make it to the main page? Joe vom Titan (talk) 18:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently someone messed with it after the hook started running. Assuming good faith, I guess it was just a silly mistake. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:54, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]