Talk:Moros y Cristianos (dish)

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I do not believe Cuba has a national dish. Google lists a blogger saying it is Ajiaco, beans and rice is a good choice for the national dish but the term "Moros y Cristianos" is mostly reserved for restaurant menus. - dmcmanam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmcmanam (talk • contribs) 22:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

What has NICARAGUA to do with a Dish (Moros y Cristianos) that has been known since 1836 in CUBA! A completely different cooking process and origin than Gallo Pinto! It was introduced by the Canary Island Immigrants and later at the 1944 the Haitians immigrants in Oriente Cuba started to make their own version called Congris or Arroz Kongo. That has to be deleted immediately. There is anything that Nicaragua has to do with cuban dishes, or anything at all. I mean, seriously that is offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by iknowwhokillmyferret (talk • contribs) 11:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Credibility of statement

It says it can be Cuba's rice and beans. By whom? Is it actually considered this, or "can" it be considered this? Slipstick86 (talk) 20:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Not Really

"The name of the dish is likely a reference by early Cuban settlers to the Islamic Conquest of Spain (early 8th century) and subsequent Reconquista (15th c.) which both had a profound effect on the Spanish culture and language." The name refers to the colour of the food and not any invasion or specific event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.124.12 (talk) 09:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Moros y Cristianos versus Congrí

I am Cuban period. Moros y cristianos are cooked at almost every home I know, besides some restaurants. It is always rice and black beans. Due the fact that beans take longer to cook than rice, beans are soaked and pre-cooked until tender, but always less time than for bean soup (potaje). Also always uncooked rice is mixed with pre cooked beans. The beans cooking liquid is also used to cook the final mixture.

Congrí or arroz congo as long as I know is a recipe coming from Haiti and it means congo beans (red navy beans) and rice (cong-riz). Cooking process is similar, but tastes quite different.

I do not argue about seasoning as there are as many recipes as cookers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.69.142 (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes 156.34.69.142, you are correct! Also, the picture in this article is not moros y cristianos, its congrí! Congrí and moros y cristianos are not the same dish as this article is being made out to be. In other Latin American countries they call what is "congri" or "arroz congrí" in Cuba, "moros" or "arroz moros." This article, the authentic "national dish" should be about the black bean soup (or purée) and white rice. These are in fact two seperate articles. Cuba is unique in the sense of "cong-riz" as Cuban-Haitian history has firsthand intertwined for centuries. Savvyjack23 (talk) 06:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Need a new picture

The current picture shows beans and rice cooked separately, which is not this dish. Jmbranum (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

True. I updated the pic to the correct one. Xaymacan (talk) 07:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

wording sounds biased

As worded, this sounds like the Moroccan conquest was legitimate, and the reconquest was somehow illegitimate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tupelo the typo fixer (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I reworded the paragraph in an attempt to make it more neutral in tone. Please let me know if you think this reads better. Jmbranum (talk) 01:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think your version is a big improvement.

Tupelo the typo fixer (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

this is also known as “congrí”

I voice confusion at the inclusion of the deadend not to be confused with arroz congri, particularly because both terms refer to the same dish. Black beans and rice cooked in the same pot with the rice taking on the coloration of the beans. Unless there has been gastronomic development on these terms , I believe it should be mentioned “congrí” as a relevant alternate name. 67.8.169.171 (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Coming to the understanding that these two similar recipes are differentiated by the color beans used to prepare the dish and the traditional origin on either side of the island. 67.8.169.171 (talk) 18:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Inaccurate photo , depicts different dish “arroz con frijoles”

Misleading as to the real dish. Rather dry rice and dry beans ought to describe the etymological origin of the dish. 67.8.169.171 (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% . I contributed my own pic of moros y cristianos, taken in Cienfuegos, Cuba. I also added the info box with an accurate photo. To my knowledge, moros and congri are one-pot dishes like moro de guandules from Dom Rep, rice and peas from Jamaica and other similar Caribbean dishes, where beans and rice are cooked together in the same pot. Arroz con frijoles (rice with beans also called rice and beans is different, since beans are cooked separately from rice. There's a vandal [68.33.255.195] and [2601:147:4700:2000:b8d3:bbb5:f93:3e37] (same person) from the rice and beans page, who keeps adding to the confusion by contributing inaccurate info. Every time I try to clarify this the same user changes it, when the preparation section clearly makes this distinction. Xaymacan (talk) 03:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Help

suspected vandalism to page by 207.204.64.85 or Xaymacan. Can we please potentially protect the page? They seem confused as to thinking moros y cristianos and rice and peas are the same variation of dish but they are not.They are not cooked the same the only commonality is that they use beans and rice. thank you. 68.33.255.195 (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

You are the vandal. You have repeatedly stalked and vandalized at least 6 articles that I am aware of. You have even been blocked, because of your persistent behaviour. You refuse to accept corrections and you keep adding incorrect info. I know that you are not Cuban or Caribbean, and other editors have made the distinction that Moros y Cristianos is a one-pot dish because beans/peas and rice are cooked together in the same pot . Therefore, it is a type of rice and peas, a common dish in the Greater Antilles and the Caribbean coast of Latin America which has different names. Arroz con frijoles which is a rice with beans dish is different, because rice is cooked separately from beans/peas. I don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand the difference. You even wrote incorrect info on the rice and beans and [gallo pinto]] pages which only adds to the confusion. All you have to do is Google the images and recipes! The previous thread above spoke about the difference and inaccuracy of the pic that was there, which is why I added the correct pics from Cuba and info box. The article even talks about the difference between moros, congri and arroz con frijoles, in the preparation section, which was contributed by another editor. Do your research and stop the vandalism especially on pages that do not concern you or Costa Rica. Xaymacan (talk) 04:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I welcome the input of other Cubans and Greater Antilleans who have knowledge about the dish. This book even talks about the difference between rice and beans dishes prepared together in the same pot, such as moro de guandules (from Dom Rep), arroz con gandules (from Puerto Rico), rice and peas also called rice and beans (from Jamaica) , dirk ak pwa (from Haiti) etc. VS rice and beans also called rice with beans/peas dishes cooked separately, like arroz con habichuelas guisadas (Dom Rep & PR), arroz con frijoles (Cuba & PR), stew peas (Jamaica) etc. The only thing that is common are the 2 main ingredients being rice and beans/peas. The key distinction is the method of preparation i.e. separately or together. The source may be accessed here :Rice and Beans: A Unique Dish in a Hundred Places (2013), edited by Richard Wilk, Livia Barbosa, page 8. https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=__id65WNktsC&pg=PT69&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false Xaymacan (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I have closed the admin-help request, because it isn't clear what administrative action is being requested, and the IP editor who placed it is now blocked.

• Content disputes, which this looks like to me, should be settled by discussing here.
• If page protection is being requested, this is easiest done via WP:RPP.

Finally, a word to the wise: don't go around accusing each other of vandalism, it isn't conducive to collegial relations. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

DoubleGrazing Thanks! Yes, the user was blocked by admin because they have a history of vandalism, disruption and edit warring. This isn't the first time they have been blocked from a page, so if not vandalism then what is it? As you can see above, I have engaged in discussions regarding the matter. If you scroll up to prior discussions from previous years, you will see that the arguments and edits by other editors align with what I stated. On the face of it, it looks like content dispute, but the user persistently trails my edits to remove/change them, adding false edit summaries, and has done this on at least 6 other similar pages, as well as, to other editors. Senior editors have intervened to revert actions by the same user. This is the first time they've ran to the talk page to accuse me of what they've been doing. Aside from attempting to use my book source for their unmatched sentences, no attempt has ever been made to discuss or come to a consensus. Other users with knowledge on the subject are welcome to chime in. Xaymacan (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

@Xaymacan: okay, points well taken; I was just going by what I saw here, I didn't dig deeper into it. I think my point is still valid, that vandalism has a very specific definition on Wikipedia, and I'm not sure this fits. Anyway, if this sort of thing continues, you may be better off reporting it to [[WP:ANI]. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you! Xaymacan (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

"Arroz con frijoles" pic and confusion

• This has been discussed above (scroll up and see the threads), and multiple users agree that the initial pic which was added represents arroz con frijoles negros. I have since added the Info Box with the correct image of Moros y Cristianos and an additional pic of Moros from Cuba.

• The Preparation section on the article has made it clear that Moros and Congri are one-pot meals, while in arroz con frijoles beans are separate from rice (like rice and beans dishes). Above, some of you have even stated that Congri's recipe was adopted from Haitians.

• With that said, do we agree that Moros and Congri are akin to other Caribbean one-pot dishes with beans and rice like moro de guandules (from Dom Rep), rice and peas (from Jamaica) and diri ak pwa (from Haiti) {see the rice and peas page for the image}. Should the arroz con frijoles pic be removed to avoid confusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaymacan (talk • contribs) 17:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)