Talk:Stainton, Westmorland and Furness

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Too much pointless information

Far too much information and statistics here, all the guff about population needs removing. 146.199.238.29 (talk) 17:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@146.199.238.29 I've removed all the pointless statistics about population as it adds nothing pertinent. 87.114.59.56 (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 December 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Stainton, Westmorland and Furness be renamed and moved to Stainton (near Sedgwick).

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Stainton, Westmorland and Furness → Stainton (near Sedgwick) – Ambiguous with Stainton, Dacre. This article was created by me on 10 June 2010 as Stainton, Sedgwick and moved to Stainton, South Lakeland "Because there are lots of places called Sedgwick" which probably isn't a good reason as there don't appear to be any other Staintons in or even near Sedgwicks however I probably thought that Stainton with Adgarley wasn't just "Stainton" but actually it might be. It was then moved to Stainton, south Cumbria by User:Chocolateediter last year because South Lakeland was abolished and was moved to the current title today by User:Hey man im josh, see User talk:Hey man im josh#Stainton. Other than the title proposed in the RM and the title used until today there is Stainton (near Kendal) which might well be better due to being larger and the fact that A-Z uses (near Kendal) as a disambiguator in the index. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stainton, Darce can be Stainton on Eamont or Stainton near Penrith.

This Stainton can be Stainton in Kendal since Kendal is actually Kirkby in Kendal.

I'd like postcodes Stainton, LA8 would be nice and short but thats a guideline change and would be wholesale conversation with many users.

It can revert the Stainton, south Cumbria; I think some user might want to move on from Cumbria after the county council was abolished but it will return as a combined authority and something something ceremonial county, etc. Chocolateediter (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're move was fine, the move the the current district wasn't due to the ambiguity. I think if there is no consensus the move made 10 days ago will get reverted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Lancashire and Cumbria and WikiProject UK geography have been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Stainton (near Kendal), as per nom there are three "Stainton"s in Westmorland and Furness (the "with Adgarley" is sometimes cut-off for the other one)[1], multiple Sedgwicks (unless we go "(near Sedgwick, Cumbria/Westmorland and Furness)"?) for clarity, South Lakeland no longer exists, however Kendal (as primary) is more identifiable. Although "south Cumbria" is okay, it still exists somewhat, but if the "with Adgarley" is sometimes cut-off and also in "south Cumbria" then maybe "southeast Cumbria"? But using Kendal seems simpler. Dank Jae 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment per WP:ENGPLACE, the preference is to use comma separated disambiguation and not parenthetical. Given there are four in Cumbria (and three of them are in Westmorland and Furness), it's not an easy situation. I don't know a lot about Cumbria but I'm wondering if there is any argument for this one being the primary topic for Stainton, Westmorland and Furness? My thinking for this is that two Stainton's are disambiguated by parish whereas this one is the civil parish. From that, it seems like it could be and that this is the best title. Depends on if Stainton with Adgarley could be considered more primary though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The title seems fine as is. Confusion with the other Staintons is avoided by the disambiguation text immediately beneath the title - or isn't this sufficient? Rupples (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its not fine because there are at least 2 places called "Stainton" in Westmorland and Furness. Even though the Dacre one isn't a parish the settlement has over twice the population of the entrire parish of Stainton (near Kendal) so I don't think as case can be made for partial disambiguation and as noted Stainton with Adgarley is sometimes called just "Stainton". A qualifier is generally supposed to be unambiguous, how is it helpful to readers or editors to have a qualified title that is still ambiguous? Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also a reader and editor and have no problem with the current title so long as the disambiguation text is retained - it would also need to be placed on Stainton, Dacre. When I type "Stainton" in Google search, nothing on this Stainton comes up on the first page of results, except in the 'People also search for' section where Stainton, Kendal shows so I'd go along with that. Another possible is adding civil parish to the current title, but that may make it overly long. Rupples (talk) 23:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as nominated. What about Stainton (civil parish), Cumbria? It's the only one that's a parish in its own right rather than a village in another parish. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that would be that good, firstly normally we only use parish as a qualifier when its needed to distingish from a settlement or other type of place like Scotforth (parish) while this article deals with both and such a qualifier would suggest it is a spin off from the settlement. Secondly while parishes tend to be stable for long periods and correspond to natural boundaries Stainton isn't an ancient parish, it was in Heversham parish until 1866 so I don't think this would be that helpful for people knowing which one while I think "near Kendal" would be easy to understand. So while I can see it as an option I don't think its the best or most recognizable qualifier. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...normally we only use parish as a qualifier when its needed to distingish from a settlement or other type of place like Scotforth (parish)... Normally absolutely true, but this is a more complex case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Stainton, Kendal or, if you must, Stainton (near Kendal). This discussion has got me pondering the rule in WP:UKPLACE that we must never (its emphasis) use post towns as disambiguators. I can't find anything explaining how that came to be part of the guidance and what the rationale was. I would certainly agree that we should not be habitually using post towns as disambiguators, but why never? In this case it looks like the best solution, and would arguably be in line with WP:COMMONNAME – when I did a search for Stainton, there were lots of instances of "Stainton, Kendal". (The only thing I can think of is that Royal Mail have become so absurdly protective of the Postcode Address File that there would be legal issues if they were used across the board... but we already have post towns in our infoboxes!) Does the never prohibition apply even if your rationale for using "Kendal" as the disambiguation is COMMONNAME, and it just happens to be the post town too? With UKPLACE being a mere convention, and unless anybody can do a better job than me of finding the origins of the rule, I vote we ignore it this time. Joe D (t) 00:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The thrust of WP:UKPLACE appears to me to be that a name which appears after a comma contains the article subject in some sense, meaning that Stainton, Kendal would imply that it was a suburb. Stainton, south Westmorland and Furness would be an unambiguous name which follows the guidance (the one near Barrow could be southwest).

Stainton (near Sedgwick) isn't a form suggested in the guidance, but there are pages which already use it such as Burton (near Neston) and Burton (near Tarporley), both in Cheshire West & Chester. I'd prefer Kendal to Sedgwick for this as Kendal is better known. I'm not the person searching for information about Stainton on Wikipedia, however, and I don't know how familiar we should expect someone like that to be with the surrounding area. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 03:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel no longer in use - but why?

The chapel, which was "erected in 1698" is no longer used for religious reasons. Or should that read . . . for religious purposes? Ref no longer works so it's hard to determine from afar. Geopersona (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]