Talk:Washington State Route 21

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August 14, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 25, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Keller Ferry, which operates as part of Washington State Route 21 was taken over by the Washington Department of Highways on September 1, 1930, although a cable ferry was operated during the early 1890s?

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The sentence "In 1937, the Primary state highways were established and State Road 4 became Primary State Highway 4 (PSH 4), while the former Candian branch became Secondary State Highway 4A (SSH 4A) and another highway, extending from Lind to Wilbur, became SSH 4B." sounds wordy. Also fix spelling of "Candian".
The sentence "Passing farmland in the flat landscape, SR 21 intersects SR 26 and continues through an unnamed coulee to intersect Smart Road, the former alignment of SR 21, and intersect U.S. Route 395 (US 395) in a diamond interchange in Lind." needs to be split into multiple sentences.
"intersecting an old alignment of Interstate 90 (I-90) and interchanging with I-90 at exit 206, another diamond interchange."; I don't understand how I-90 can be realigned, maybe a pre-interstate alignment.
In sentence "North of Wilbur, the roadway approches Speigle Canyon and makes several turns before exiting the canyon and nearing Franklin D. Roosevelt Lake, at 80,000 acres (323.75 km2), the lake is the largest in Washington.", the comma after Franklin D. Roosevelt Lake should be a semicolon. Also fix spelling of "approches".
"a 80-foot (24.38 m) long toll-free ferry"? Is the ferry route or the ferry boat 80 feet long?
Can you briefly describe who Elisha P. Ferry is?
"SR 21 passes Keller and continues inland into mountians on the banks of the river": change "mountains" to "mountainous areas".
"causing this section to be the busiest": rephrase to "making this section the busiest"
In the History section, there is a lot of detail about the history of the Keller Ferry. Much of this information should be moved to the Keller Ferry article with only a brief summary in the WA 21 article.
"the Lincoln and Ferry counties", remove "the".
"As of 2009, WSDOT is $5.5 million USD short of being able to replace the aging Martha S. Design work has already been completed and the ferry is not expected to be replaced soon." is a run-on sentence.
"Old SR 90"? Was State Route 90 a predecessor to Interstate 90. I thought US 10 was?
It is necessary to use a campground symbol to indicate a state park. In addition, how can a state park be considered a "Major intersection"?

I am placing the article on hold Dough4872 (talk) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done –CG 16:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Answers to your querys: 9. It is nessesary for the history of the ferry...look at State Route 74 (New York-Vermont), a FA that shows the history of the ferry. The main article will be expanded at a later date to include the info. 12. SR 90 is WSDOT's numbering of the highway, see the State Highway Log, 2008 for details. –CG 16:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I will pass the article. Dough4872 (talk) 23:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger with British Columbia Highway 41

British Columbia Highway 41 is a continuation of State Route 21 and is less than a mile long. There is no point in giving it a stubby article instead of continuing it here. This kind of merge is not unprecedented, as British Columbia Highway 15 is merged with its short Washington State counterpart, State Route 543. I propose the article about BC 41 be integrated into this article Zacharycmango (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - They are separate highways and do not share a common number. I'd argue for splitting SR 543 from its BC counterpart, given that it could stand alone now that it has better sources. Sounder Bruce 04:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per SounderBruce. I urge the nominator to not suggest any more mergers like this and at the one at US 395. –Fredddie™ 12:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why most of us become editors is because we weren't satisfied with the status quo. I understand that some mergers have more merits than others, but to discredit all my current and even future proposals is not conductive. Zacharycmango (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose—the two subjects do not share a number, which would be the first requirement before looking at any merger. I find the other merged article to be a suboptimal merger for a number of reasons, and that combination should be reversed and not replicated. (There are issues with mixing measurement systems from the sources, issues with the infobox, etc.)
  I also suggest that the nominator reflect on the feedback here and consider it in the future when considering additional merger proposals. That is how I read Fredddie's comments: as constructive feedback. Imzadi 1979 → 00:51, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - After careful consideration of the feedback received from all parties, it seems merging is not a popular option. However, I do think it is still very notable to mention that the highway connects to BC 3 almost immediately after crossing the border. Most people approaching the border on this rural highway are doubtless planning to cross it and drive onto BC 3. Zacharycmango (talk) 01:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Why? We rarely mention the roadway at the opposite terminus of a connecting roadway if it's not mentioned in highway signage. Imzadi 1979 → 01:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]