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Requested move 14 January 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Xiaohongshu → REDnote – I don't know much about this app but most secondary sources use "RedNote" and the app page on the Google Play Store capitalises it as "REDnote". Possibly uncontroversial move. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 13:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to know whether the infobox be switched to software and the semi-promotional "Public charity" section be removed or re-adapted elsewhere into the article. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 13:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus so far as of 16 January 2024, as I see it, not replacing an independent closer: While the English name is used on the Play Store and the app has gained at least 1 million English speakers over the past week, the over 300 million user majority on the app are predominantly Chinese speakers and are more familar with Xiaohongshu. It is too early to tell whether this app would actually gain significant popularity outside of China and whether the English name would actually stick. Whether the name is official or not doesn't always have bearing on the title used on Wikipedia. Based on these factors, it would therefore be better to wait for things to cool down before considering a move. The TikTok-Douyin comparison may not be sound because they seem to refer to separate but similar apps in the English-speaking world. A full page move, right now at least, would be premature due to a short-term burst in popularity that may not ultimately lead to anything significant. Separately, there is no consistent capitalisation for the name outside of the Play Store with most media outlets seemingly using an alternative spelling. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I'm opposing the move for now. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 23:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update as of 19 January 2024, not replacing an independent closer: A number of editors have implied that "Xiaohongshu" may be used by Overseas Chinese, many of whom are also English speakers that use Pinyin. Considering the recent uptake in popularity being quite small and a lack of consensus, it is unlikely that this page will be moved. Additionally, many supporting a move have cited WP:COMMONNAME without elaborating on why. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update as of 20 January 2024: The app has now renamed to "rednote" on the English app stores. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 13:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the name should not be changed. I believe it is premature given the volatile nature of current circumstances. Hcope JP (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, my understanding is that this is analogous to the TikTok / Douyin distinction – the overseas version is called "REDnote" but the domestic version is called "Xiaohongshu". This article should follow TikTok's precedent IMO. Jokullmusic 16:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference here is that TikTok and Douyin are completely separate services and apps with different databases, users, and content. Xiaohongshu and RedNote are two names referring to the same app with the same content and users. They're not separate like in TikTok's case, and it's worth noting that, although the app is called RedNote in the Google Play Store, it's still called 小红书 in the App Store. SantaCrabby (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Didn't quite realize that. I personally am of the opinion that the app's sudden burst in popularity in the west where it's known as REDnote is still enough to support changing the title of the article, even if this boom is short-term, especially since this is the English Wikipedia and REDnote is what it's named in all English-speaking markets. But I can understand wanting to wait for things to settle too. Jokullmusic 18:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Adding to the points already made, I've used the app for a few of years now and no one referred to it within the app as 'RedNote' until the recent surge of "TikTok Refugees". I recall when GooglePlay added the RedNote to the name but still XiaoHongShu in the Apple Store but it hasn't been RedNote that. It seems premature to rebrand the article at this time, also a little disrespectful. 192.195.154.31 (talk) 18:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jokullmusic: It's not. Rednote is a name the media came up with. The name is XiaoHongShu, which literally means "Little Red Book", referring to Mao's writings, which already is common in English. Rednote is a mistranslation and not official. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The app is officially called REDnote on the English Google Play store... Jokullmusic 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While TikTok/Douyin is primarily known in the west as its overseas version TikTok, XHS is primarily known in the west as a Chinese app for Chinese people. It is too soon to know yet if the overseas version REDnote will catch on. I see a good number of results for both "Xiaohongshu" and "REDnote" on Google News, so I am open to being convinced otherwise by concrete usage statistics. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Official title doesn't really matter, what matters is what it is usually called. It is common for Chinese names to have an formal/official name that isn't as commonly used in English as the colloquial, examples include "Taiwan" and "Chinese Communist Party" which are used for the English Wikipedia articles. The vast majority of English speakers who are familiar with Xiaohongshu are Chinese speakers who will simply use the term "Xiaohongshu" and likely don't even know what "REDnote" means. Perhaps "Red Note" will win out, but it's way too early to switch it. I am also open to being convinced if someone can provide concrete statistics showing that "REDNote" is more commonly used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.27.56.14 (talk) 19:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The primary audience for the app is still mainland China, and the official name is still Xiaohongshu (小红书). Too soon to make a move; I feel like it depends on whether the app's popularity continues in the West and/or Xiaohongshu makes an effort to establish a proper English name and international version of the app (beyond the REDnote app on Google Play). Bailmoney27 talk 20:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Xiaohongshu is its official name that has always been used by its main userbase, and it still will be. "Rednote" has become the more simplified Anglicised name by the self-proclaimed "TikTok refugees". I don't believe this warrants a sufficient enough reason for a change. "Rednote" would make for a good redirect to this page, though. In reference to Douyin (as others have mentioned above), we didn't rename that to TikTok (Chinese Edition) or something easier for us to understand when we used the English version, so why should we here? --Mechanical Elephant (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. English language media coverage of the recent upsurge also uses Xiaohongshu even if it likewise says REDnote, so we cannot say the latter fits common name better. Prudence suggests that if there are multiple common names we should choose the most correct (or, "official") one, Xiaohongshu. JArthur1984 (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Based on the reactions so far, it looks like this move won't be agreed. If it was, we would need to decide between REDnote, RedNote, Rednote, RED, REDNote, and even Red Note. It seems like those are all being treated as equivalent in this discussion so far. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is renamed, I would prefer "RedNote" over "REDnote", to avoid the all-caps (which doesn't seem consistently followed in independent reliable sources). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 09:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since you're uninvolved, any chance you could close this move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 13:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think someone else should close it. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've submitted a request. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 22:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose common name is still Xiaohongshu. The app has been at this name since 2013, be it in China or internationally, therefore we should also consider the long term significance of the current name (for now). Rednote was only introduced circa 2023 after the company restricted access to the XHS app to Chinese audience. Will the Rednote name stick will depend on future reporting by news media, and hopefully from the future reporting we can also determine which variation of the English name is more commonly used. – robertsky (talk) 04:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose REDnote is not the most common name in China, which is the current largest userbase. Also spellings for RedNote differ. (a redirect/status quo is fine) Mind the gap 1 (talk) 12:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to RedNote. Looking at the use of reliable sources: AP News uses "Xiaohongshu"; Independent uses "Rednote"; New York Times uses both "Red Note" and "Xiaohongshu"; Reuters, BBC News, CNN, Financial Times, Sky News, The Guardian, SCMP use "RedNote". I could look further but it's pretty clear that the overwhelmingly most common name in reliable sources is "RedNote". Chessrat (talk, contributions) 14:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above notable known QalasQalas (talk) 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appose I don't even think WP:COMMON would apply, since its most commonly used name is the Chinese one. The app has a much closer connection to the CCP than stuff like TikTok. CheeseyHead (talk) 01:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It should be moved as the english wikipedia should contain the ENGLISH name for a page, and the English name is REDnote Gringinu (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been closed by NasssaNser. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed by NasssaNser. Please do not modify it.
Like a joke, because the news is reported, the information is credible?
The news also reported that China had social ratings and no food.
If you do that, I'll create a U.S. Constitution app in China and tie it to a search link.
I've taken screenshots of each of your speeches, and Wikipedia has unilaterally edited its content because of the American media coverage.
I guess you don't care, and I don't care.
After all, you have lost your authority when it comes to China. Yuankeny (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a move request, not a debate about the Social Credit System (which Chinese media doesn't deny). If you have any grievances, consider using the appropriate talk page on that article instead. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia editor Queen Douglas DC-3
He is a stupid and politically motivated bad guy.
Because she didn't object
Even if she objected, I didn't accept her way of publication.
Even though she published the path I prescribed, I didn't see it. Yuankeny (talk) 07:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a warning that it is not civil to call others stupid. Additionally, while I likely have a pro-American bias being raised in western countries, you may be casting an aspersion by claiming that I'm being politically motivated merely for seeking advice from others on whether this page should be moved. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 07:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is the connection between the Xiaohongshu app and Mao Zedong's book "Red Book"?
What are you afraid of? Add link affixes and synonym explanations, and you'll do the trick. Why do you have to change the name to deliberately mix up the concept of dish?
Are you a China expert? Have you ever used Little Red Book? Have you read Mao's writings?
What are you using to make judgments? Yuankeny (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a constructive argument. Please cite policies or sources to back your claims. Additionally, here is a list of perennial sources and why they aren't used on Wikipedia on certain topics. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The person you've replied to hasn't even mentioned Mao's Little Red Book. The connection is the official English name used on the Play Store by the company. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Consider reading Wikipedia:Article titles, which is the policy that should be used in this move request. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How to eliminate the long-standing misreporting of China by the American media?
Wuhan virus? Social credit score? The Chinese are poor?
Which media should I cite to prove that the American media is lying to themselves?
Is it possible to be relatively equal,
Using Chinese media reports to edit important social issues and topics of mass revolutionary activities in the United States?
including, but not limited to:
1: The possibility of a civil war in the United States and the main groups
2: The distribution and operation mechanism of political power in the United States
3: The main composition and industrial distribution of the U.S. internal consortium
4: U.S. international strategic vulnerabilities in Europe and the Middle East
5: The class contradictions concealed by the two-party system in American society
Any contrary reports are welcome to refute
If there are any issues with my account, you will receive more messages and edit wars. Yuankeny (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does this have anything to do with the move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, find your favourite Chinese state-controlled media outlet on this list and why it isn't used on Wikipedia on certain topics. If you have any grievances, start a discussion there and not here. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are many more revelations in Chinese that you will love.
1: The Jewish lobby consortium behind the two-party system
2: The Deal Behind Election Money
3: How did the revolution break out in the United States?
4: Unions and marches are the nipples of the people at the bottom
5: Why didn't an uprising break out in the United States
6: Analysis of Journalism and Communication in Western Reporting and Educational Monopoly
7: An Alternative Interpretation of the U.S. Constitution (Only the people whose names we sign, are people)
8: Why there is no population growth for U.S. immigrants
Let's see if the Chinese have the edited fast enough to quote, or if you arbitrate fast enough.
You won't be able to afford to play this game Yuankeny (talk) 00:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please stop spamming unrelated topics into this move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 01:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain why you moved his name? Yuankeny (talk) 07:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, I didn't move the page. It is controversial to move certain pages (especially since I'm unfamiliar with the topic) so this is a move request. We're discussing whether the page should be moved and any final decision would require consensus. This is neither a vote nor a unilateral decision. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 07:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So why did you initiate this application?
Don't you know that the U.S. government is crazy to find black material on the Xiaohongshu app? Yuankeny (talk) 07:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good for them? How is it relevant to the move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To answer your question again, I started this move request to gain insight from other editors on whether the page should be moved. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a connection with Mao Zedong's writings.
That would irritate a lot of people, and it would be like telling the congressional guys. The USSR will come as terrible.
There will be more radical political reactions and misinformation. Yuankeny (talk) 07:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, can you please stop spamming unrelated topics into this move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:02, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You associate the Little Red Book app with Mao's writings. (This is a very likely consequence)
Then accuse me of spamming (stating that the two are not related)
Well, it doesn't matter. I have already told you about the consequences and the situation. Yuankeny (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, what does both the Little Red Book and Mao Zedong have anything to do with this move request? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm glad we agreed. I didn't follow the editorial convention. This matter is indeed more urgent.
The situation is complicated right now, and the Xiaohongshu app is accepting a large number of new users. The U.S. government is already in a state of flux, and they will do everything they can to stop it.
Because of the difference in language, it is easy to misunderstand. I'm from China, and I've already had user feedback that "because of the promotion of the connection between Xiaohongshu and Mao's writings, parents have banned their children from using the Xiaohongshu app."
In fact, we know that the two have nothing to do with each other. It's like I can't connect to Connor just because a person is called Connor.
The situation now is that the American media (Western propaganda media) are starting to do some selective reporting (I personally don't have the energy to check them all out, but our media has already launched a report. ）
I don't have time to refute all the reports in the American media. We Chinese also know that they are the tongues of the consortium.
However, Wikipedia if involved, some
Misinformation becomes even more serious.
You don't know Mao, he was the mentor of all the red revolutions in the world at that time. If you get in touch with him, Congress will go into a frenzy. His theory can really incite a riot in the United States. Yuankeny (talk) 08:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For a third time, please stop spamming unrelated topics into this move request. I also want to make it clear that I haven't implied any agreement to anything. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I object to your irrelevant statements. And talk to you directly.
My statement, my own objection, I reply directly under your application.
Have you received any objections?
Do I have reason to think that you are applying for political purposes? Yuankeny (talk) 08:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You said that I was "stupid and politically motivated" above. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please object to me in time, or I will consider it unobjectionable. I can just write the content. Yuankeny (talk) 08:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about this? Write one paragraph stating whether you want the page moved or not. Simple. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am against any editing of Xiaohongshu for the time being. Because now Americans don't know enough about Little Red Book.
After a while, they will edit and reach consensus on their own.
Rather than us creating unfamiliar content here. Yuankeny (talk) 08:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Especially at this point in time, the U.S. government and the Chinese government have not yet taken action on large-scale people-to-people communication.
Any of our erroneous reports will be re-cited as evidence.
So my advice is, don't get involved in it. Avoid falling prey to them. Yuankeny (talk) 08:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is it that invents and uses it that decides what he is called?
Or is it Wikipedia to decide what it's called?
How do you deal with the difference between the Little Red Book app and Mao Zedong's writings?
How do you avoid this move from not being politically motivated? Yuankeny (talk) 07:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On Wikipedia, article titles are determined through this policy and decisions or changes that are likely to be controversial are resolved through consensus. In my original move request, I didn't take a position and Mao's Little Red Book is not relevant in this discussion. I started this move request to gain insight from others who may be more familiar with the topic because it would've been inappropriate to move the page unilaterally. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 07:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In what capacity are you editing here about something you don't understand? Yuankeny (talk) 07:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I don't understand, thus the move request. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 07:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I would oppose a move for reasons others have explained thoroughly. It seems to be more a popular nickname, and there's no consistent capitalization, etc. HelenaBertrand (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chessrat: Rednote is an unofficial mistranslation that the media has come up with. The name is either Xiaohongshu or Little Red Book, the latter of which is already common in English. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 20:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We follow the usage of reliable sources, and in this case it's fairly clear which term the overwhelming majority of reliable sources use. Wikipedia policy is pretty clear here. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rednote per wp:commonname Abo Yemen✉ 16:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
just no 206.226.66.130 (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTAVOTE Abo Yemen✉ 18:33, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Abo Yemen: Rednote is a mistranslated name the media came up with. The name is XiaoHongShu, which literally means "Little Red Book", referring to Mao's writings, which already is common in English. Rednote is a mistranslation and not official. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chessrat answered you above Abo Yemen✉ 08:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I think we should wait several weeks and let things settle before making a decision. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a few weeks for things to settle - it isn't an official name (yet). The redirect and headnote mean readers won't get lost - David Gerard (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsmasher678: ...What? Rednote is a name the media came up with the name is XiaoHongShu, which literally means "Little Red Book", referring to Mao's writings, which already is common in English. Rednote is a mistranslation and not official. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with you that red note is an unofficial nickname with no formalized spelling and that a move would be silly at this point. However, everything tying the translated name of little red book to Mao's writings seems to also be offhand speculation from the media, with some articles (for instance this one) and wikipedia itself clarifying that the name seems to be a coincidence. It definitely is an interesting coincidence, but not a deliberate reference. Additionally, as far as I know "little red book" is an exonym and not the way someone in China would refer to the book. I would accept correction if you have more information on this. HelenaBertrand (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HelenaBertrand It's not unofficial - REDnote is what it's listed as on Google Play and it's what the app's name is displayed as on Android devices when installed via Google Play. It's the official name of the internationally distributed version of the Android app. Jokullmusic 23:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification on that. HelenaBertrand (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move completed. Boston Mayflower (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and reconsider in a month or two. RedNote (or REDNote) may win out but this is a developing story.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 02:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and vote on it again in a month, it's still unclear whether the new user spike will stabilize into an active userbase for the app, which is primarily in Mandarin. Additionally, the English company page still refers to itself as Xiaohongshu and the app almost never refers to itself as REDnote, which makes it unclear on whether its the intended international name. LemurianPatriot (talk) 02:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It has a majority chinese userbase, AFAIK Horsers (talk) 18:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The platform did not change its name for all users, except for English users. Respect the original name from the country of origin and personally I used the platform before and no one until yesterday called it "RedNote".CS012831 (talk) 23:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - for now. Doesn't seem like REDNote is definitely the common name yet. While Chessrat listed several articles using REDNote in their headlines, a closer inspection of the actual body of most of the articles show that Xiaohongshu is more commonly used outside the headline, in the actual body text. I do think it's possible that REDNote does become the common name sometime in the future, but that is currently not reflected via sources yet. I would also point out that this article is about both the service and the company behind it, and the company isn't known as REDNote. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Xiaohongshu" is what the overwhelming majority of the app's userbase call it, as it is the Romanized version of 小紅書. "Redote" can simply redirect here, and this alternative localized name can be acknowledged in the introduction of the article. ayane_m💬 • ✏ 00:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Etymology: Relation to Mao's Little Red Book

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'Little Red Book' is also the English nickname for the 1964 compilation Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung.

I have seen several news sources claim it was named after Mao's Little Red Book (while others more cautiously note the coincidence), but this doesn't make sense to me as the Little Red Book is only an English term for what in Chinese is known as 红宝书 (lit. "red treasure book").

Makes a connection to Mao's book but does not claim it was named after it:

Seems to claim that RedNote was named after the book:

I don't want to claim that the names are unrelated in Chinese without any sources, though I've heard many people claim that they are, so it might be good to correct it once better sources come out. SheepTester (talk) 01:23, 17 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

This discussion has been closed by NasssaNser. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed by NasssaNser. Please do not modify it.
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Chinese government reports have criticized the New York Times' different standards of reporting on the same event. Yuankeny (talk) 07:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On Wikipedia, we try to use secondary sources that are not connected to the topic. For example, if we used China Central Television as you've mentioned, it reports directly to the Chinese Communist Party's Central Publicity Department. This means that information that they report about China would censor anything negative about China and therefore introduce bias. Since The New York Times is independent from China, it will not censor negative coverage. This makes it less biased and more reliable. Of course "Chinese government reports" would criticise The New York Times for not censoring topics, because they want them to be biased towards China. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:27, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have a point of view about news coverage.
Any news will have selective reporting, one-sided facts.
Censorship doesn't allow negative press, is that an idea or a fact?
Because no one objected, your reports are becoming more and more distorted and wrong. And you don't accept censored reports, but you can accept customized reports with financial owners.
At the very least, there is a responsible person for the review, and if there is no review, who will be responsible for the mistakes? Yuankeny (talk) 08:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, there is no censorship in the United States. Negative coverage is scarce.
There is censorship in China, and negative news is constant.
There will be misinformation if there is no censorship.
The two sides already have a position. Yuankeny (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a big difference between selective reporting and censoring entire topics. The Chinese government has a conflict of interest in not wanting their people to know about things that might challenge their authority, like their high youth unemployment rate for example. Here is a list of perennial sources. You will find what their biases are in the Summary column. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both sides have positions, and there will inevitably be selective reporting. We all understand.
It's not a question of who we choose to trust and who we don't believe. Rather, neither of them can be trusted. The editorial office also has no capacity to verify the information.
It is true that there are errors in the information.
Wikipedia exists as a recorder, not as a corrector.
I guess that's clear.
on sensitive, politically charged topics. Instead of taking what they say, record what they did.
Words can deceive, but the results of actions do not. Yuankeny (talk) 09:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With the increase in Chinese users, some content will be challenged and edited.
This is an inevitable trend when the time comes regarding the way in which the rating is adopted. There will be more challenges as well.
Don't expect them to be calm in the face of unsubstantiated accusations and fall into the predicament of self-proof after reasonable doubt.
Just because he didn't know about it, no objections were raised. Yuankeny (talk) 09:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yuankeny: Please do remember that this is not the place for the general discussion of the reliability of The New York Times. Whether you like it or not, it is rated as "generally reliable" on the reliable sources discussion board (Wikipedia:NYTIMES). If you would like to argue something against it, please consider Wikipedia:reliable sources/noticeboard rather than here. ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 13:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remember, you scoundrels.
It's up to you to find your own evidence to prove it.
The Xiaohongshu app has something to do with Mao Zedong's writings.
And not that I'm here to prove nothing.
Do you have reason to be suspicious? I also suspect that your motive for the name change is political.
I don't see that you are clear enough that there is no difference between the two,
You're playing with your vocabulary. Yuankeny (talk) 07:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Xiaohongshu → REDnote – I don't know much about this app but most secondary sources use "RedNote" and the app page on the Google Play Store capitalises it as "REDnote". Possibly uncontroversial move. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 13:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The editors of Wikipedia have made content edits with their own imagination.
and could not come up with sufficient evidence on the grounds that there was "reason to suspect"
I will correspond, on the Xiaohongshu page, and always add you. Yuankeny (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a move request, not an edit. I am seeking advice from others and have not "made content edits with their own imagination". If you feel that something on the article is not supported with references, have you tried editing it? Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

add this content to the ariticle Xiaohongshu

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Fang Zhouzi commented that according to reports,700,000 TikTok users went to Xiaohongshu,claiming to be TikTok's refugees.In fact, they were protesting the US government's ban on TikTok,saying that they were not afraid of the Chinese government monitoring them and collecting their data,and that they deliberately went to Chinese platforms.Then Xiaohongshu was noticed for some reason,so hundreds of thousands of people went there,and then some American netizens watched the videos and pictures on Xiaohongshu and were shocked by the happy life of the Chinese people.Fang Zhouzi said that he saw an American netizen saying,Wow, it turns out that Chinese people eat so cheaply, so healthy,and so delicious.They can eat lobsters and crabs every week.Moreover, China is very safe, and you can go out to eat skewers late at night.The company's benefits are very good.It is said that you have one hour every day to eat,and you can also enjoy free medical care."Then he sighed and said,Ah, so many people have been deceived by the American media.China is actually a developed country,and the United States is a backward country."Most of the American netizens who went to Xiaohongshu are young people,so they are very naive.They don't know that many Chinese netizens like to exaggerate and show off their happy lives,and they don't know that China's Internet control is extremely strict,and it is managed by the government,so you can only see this kind of positive energy,and those so-called negative energy things are not visible.However, it has only been a few days,and some so-called TikTok refugees in the United States have complained to the American media that they have been hit by the iron fist of Chinese network management.Fang Zhouzi saw a report that someone said that he just went to Xiaohongshu to ask whether you welcome homosexuality here,and then he was blocked.Another person said that on Xiaohongshu,a young man said that he posted a nude photo of his upper body,and then he was blocked.Then there was another person who said that he posted a post praising a Japanese cartoon,and then he was blocked.Many Chinese netizens are gloating over the so-called TikTok refugees who have fled to Xiaohongshu.They even feel that the Internet in the United States is not good and will be replaced by China.You see, there is no such social platform available in the United States,so they have to flee to China.This is of course ridiculous.It is said that there are 700,000 TikTok refugees,which sounds like a lot,but you have to know that there are 170 million TikTok users in the United States,so the 700,000 are completely negligible,just a very small part.And Fang Zhouzi didn't know what Chinese netizens are happy about.These American netizens don't know how strict the Chinese network surveilance is.Do Chinese netizens not know?They are blocked and banned at any time,so many people have to flee to foreign platforms.Then can also say that those who have gone to foreign platforms,to Twitter,are Weibo refugees and WeChat refugees.There are definitely more than 700,000 of these people,much more than those American TikTok refugees.Moreover, American TikTok refugees come directly to Chinese platforms,while Chinese Weibo refugees and WeChat refugees have to circumvent the greatfirewall to use foreign social platforms,so what is there to be happy about?At least on the surface,Chinese officials are also happy to see this happen,because it can be used to promote the Chinese system and the superiority of the Chinese network.The People's Daily published a commentary article commenting on the so-called TikTok refugees flocking to China's Xiaohongshu.It said that the reason why China's network is attractive to American netizens is not only because China has a profound historical and cultural heritage,but also because it has a modern face that is changing with each passing day.Therefore, it attracts American netizens and shows that China is an open country,the people are kind,and the society is inclusive,which has opened the eyes of Americans and allowed them to see the real China.Although on the surface they may be happy to see this happen and use it as a propaganda,in fact the Chinese government and Chinese network administrators will definitely not tolerate it for a long time.These American netizens are running wild on the Chinese Internet and are worried that they will bring foreign liberal democratic ideas to China and influence and poison Chinese netizens.They will definitely take measures to strictly control them.Fang Zhouzi heard that there was a report that Chinese network administrators asked Xiaohongshu to take measures as soon as possible to prevent Chinese netizens from seeing what foreign users posted.Fang Zhouzi doesn't know whether this report is true or not,but this is the practice taken by these Chinese platforms to separate foreign countries from domestic ones.For example, WeChat is like this.Fang Zhouzi can see what others post in WeChat chat groups and Moments,but what Fang Zhouzi posts,then domestic users can't see it,only foreign users can see it,so domestic netizens thought Fang Zhouzi had blocked them,they can't see Fang Zhouzi's Moments.And TikTok and Douyin are the same.Foreign users can't access Douyin,and domestic users can't access TikTok.There is a wall between them that you can't get over no matter how hard you try.Therefore, these TikTok netizens in the United States will soon be hit by the iron fist of socialism one by one,and then they will realize that China’s network administrators are so powerful.They will gradually understand that China is actually a backward country,and then they will have to flee back to the United States. Jiushibugaosuni (talk) 05:32, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CS012831: I had directed the user to discuss matters because they were edit warring on the article, trying to add the above text half a sentence at a time. I had hoped they would be hear to discuss matters rather than just asking to add this wall of text wholesale. See their talk page for more on the matter. TornadoLGS (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:NOT A FORUM. ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 10:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is the point?

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Is this possible to describe what is the point of migration with reliable sources? I mean, using TikTok controlled by Communist China is one thing, but moving to other social media which is also controlled by Communist China is something over me. Would also these people use Russian VK? Eurohunter (talk) 23:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RedNote is owned by a different company than TikTok, and coincidentally, the United States government hasn't made moves to restrict it. Clarinetguy097 (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A small number of sources have cited pettiness from young people being a major factor. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 04:55, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming article to Rednote?

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Hi. Article states that the app is officially known in English as "Rednote". I'm also fairly certain it is also its de facto WP:Commonname, since I never hear anybody in English social media refer to it by its Chinese name. As such, maybe the name of the article should be moved to "Rednote".Artemis Andromeda (talk) 02:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the above Requested move section, which was closed without a consensus to move. S5A-0043🚎(Leave a message here) 03:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda: If it's the common name that matters, and they couldn't agree on what the common name was, I doubt there'd be a consensus on the common name now. Clarinetguy097 (talk) 05:57, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend waiting for a few months before starting a new move request. It is possible that the recent growth may have been a short phase that doesn't last. The existing userbase is Chinese and it appears that Overseas Chinese, who also often use Pinyin, may be more familiar with Xiaohongshu. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 10:10, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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