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Relevance/usage of Song/Single Infobox versus relevance/usage of cover image

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tl;dr

If a cover single is significant enough to warrant an infobox, is it also significant enough to warrant an cover image?

I have encountered this situation several times and feel like I'm banging my head on a wall. I couldn't find any guidance on this topic and hoping ya'll can help!

I've had a number of single images removed from single covers due to significance concerns. In these cases, the single infobox remained, but the image was removed. I was thinking that if a single infobox was warranted, then so would an image of the single's cover.

Example

Jump, Jive an' Wail, a song 1950's song by Louis Prima, was covered by The Brian Setzer Orchestra in the 1990's. The cover charted and won a Grammy. It is also referenced in the Swing revival article.

Should the discussion be focused on the significance of the cover single and have that drive inclusion (or not) of the infobox and the image? Or are the two separate determinations?

Thanks all! WidgetKid (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that example, the cover image itself, File:The Brian Setzer Orchestra - Jump Jive an Wail Cover.jpg, was deleted from Wikipedia via the proposed deletion (PROD) process. The removal of the File: reference from the infobox was incidental. You can request that the file go through a deletion review if you do not understand the reason for its deletion. PROD is supposed to be for uncontroversial deletion, and it sounds like you object. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 12 January 2025

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Throughout Wikipedia, we have articles on album tracks released to radio the same day as another album track. First that comes to mind are "Kiss It Better" and "Needed Me", and "Squabble Up" and "TV Off".

With the current template, though, no one can indicate this fact without misusing template parameters. In the first case, the parameters for double-A-side single chronologies are used to indicate the double release. Meanwhile in the second, "Squabble Up" is said to be the A-side of "TV Off". These releases did not involve physicals, so mentioning anything about A-sides is a huge error.

Not sure how to suggest the change using diffs, so I will just show images of how I think the infoboxes should look. (First Case) (Second Case) Thanks, Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 12:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox song/sandbox and Template:Infobox song/testcases have a implementation of this fix. Sohom (talk) 20:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sohom Datta thanks; I tinkered around the testcases subpage and it works. The concurrent parameter also needs to apply for the previous and next titles, though. I'll see if I can address that myself, and if I can't, I'll ping again. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 23:15, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sohom Datta Managed to do it alongside some other new parameters I also found necessary given the current state of the music industry. Diff 1 and Diff 2 for the stuff I added. Now my next main concern is regarding test cases where a song was included on/released from more than one album. Now that one's a little above my paygrade.

As well, I believe the concurrent_release changes should also be reflected in {{Singles}}. Right now we have articles like GNX (album) indicating this with something like [[Squabble Up]]" / "[[TV Off]] which does not sit well with me. Looking forward to those changes. Thanks, Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 00:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I managed to fix the first problem, but that second problem is too intimidating for me :') Hope I wrote the code properly! Thanks for the work you do. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 23:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sohom Datta: hello! Looks like no other template editor has taken issue with the request. Per your request offwiki (WP:DISCORD), I have pinged you in the thread. Thanks, Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 14:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I'm unsure about the latest diff changes (surrounding the album and EP version). I have gone ahead and implemented the rest of the changes. Sohom (talk) 02:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Customizing Infobox Background Colors Based on Album or Single Cover Colors

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Hello! I'm requesting for your consensus on whether infoboxes for songs and albums should be customized with background colors that reflect the primary colors of the associated album or single cover. I proposed this because to enhance visual appeal and strengthen the connection between the article design and the featured music branding.

Should we allow the customization of infobox background colors to reflect the color of the album or single cover?

Choices:

Yes – Infoboxes for songs and albums should have customizable background colors based on the significant colors of the album or single cover.
No – Infoboxes for songs and albums should retain their current yellow or blue design without background colors.
Neither – No strong preference or support for either. Alternatively, propose a different solution or compromise (need an explanation if C is the answer.)

ROY is WAR Talk! 10:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Royiswariii: have you started a discussion in the relevant WikiProjects beforehand? RfCs are time-consuming, and it is more often than not easier to get consensus on talk page discussions first. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 12:15, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
B. No - This has been discussed in the past. Coloring infoboxes is a time sink with no benefit attached. Editors just waste time arguing and edit warring about which color they prefer. Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
B/No Background colours have the potential for accessibility problems, see MOS:COLOR, and to provide good contrast need to be subtle/pale. Consider: what are the significant colours of the album cover at A Hard Day's Night - dark blue, or black? Both would give contrast problems. Also, what are the significant colours of the album cover at A Collection of Beatles Oldies? There's plenty of choice, so see Wikipedia:Don't edit war over the colour of templates. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
B/No. This is a MOS:ACCESSIBILITY#Color issue. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bad RfC/B. No - @Royiswariii, as Elias noted, RfCs are time-consuming, and typically there's a discussion beforehand to see whether an RfC is even necessary. So I suggest that you withdraw this RfC. If you proceed with it, note that the RfC question should be worded neutrally, whereas your comment about why you're proposing this seems to be advocating for a response of "yes," so I encourage you to edit the question wording. As for the question, I agree with others that this may lead to accessibility problems, and given that many covers have multiple colors, would be a time sink / lead to arguments about which color to use. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:15, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for 'concurrent_title'

Hello, I can't figure out what does 'concurrent title' do. Can I see some article which uses this section? Camilasdandelions (talk) 14:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Camilasdandelions, the parameter is used for dual single releases (i.e. songs released to radio at the same time). Squabble Up + TV Off, BMF (song) + 30 for 30 (song), and Kiss It Better + Needed Me are some examples of how it's used. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 16:34, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thank you so much for explanation! By the way, then what is the difference with Billie Eilish's song Party Favor / Hotline Bling? Camilasdandelions (talk) 16:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Camilasdandelions, the difference is that "Party Favor" and "Hotline Bling" were released on a 7-inch (aka a physical release), which has its own notation. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 18:01, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh, I see. Thank you for your kind explanatiom again. I'll try to refer it.

If you're okay, could you please explain in Template:Singles talk about 'child'? Camilasdandelions (talk) 01:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]