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In the all2 category part, please change Astronomical object back to Astronomical object articles with topics of unclear notability, and Biography back to Biography articles with topics of unclear notability. This is placing articles into Category:Biography. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Ahecht. No good deed goes unpunished. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, looks like I forgot to actually hit Ctrl-C to copy my latest test version before pasting to the live template. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sohom (talk) 15:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sohom Datta thank you, do you know how long it will take for Category:Biography to empty out again? TSventon (talk) 16:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon It depends, but a fast way to make sure the category is cleared is null-edit each one of those pages. Sohom (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried a couple of null edits, but I wanted to know when the problem would solve itself automatically. Per Help:Purge#Category counts it might be necessary to wait for a monthly refresh. TSventon (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree it'll probably take a month for the problem to solve itself. Sohom (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might not take that long – I've just used Ahecht's handy refresh script. It's carrying out a null edit every two seconds, so the 9210 articles should be cleared out in about five hours. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the "must not be re-added" language

I am not sure the policy basis for this. I started a discussion at Talk:N Graywalls (talk) 05:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 26 November 2024

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New line 58: |specie<noinclude></noinclude> = [[Wikipedia:Notability (species)]]

New line 114: | specie<noinclude></noinclude> = Species articles with topics of unclear notability

I know that I can just make this edit myself, but I'm not really a template person so I would appreciate if someone could double-check my work here. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I've also gone ahead and made Category:Species articles with topics of unclear notability with the standard message. Aidan9382 _(talk) 12:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two notability tags on one article

Hi there! North8000 and I have been having a conversation about this template (see my user talk page) and I'd like to hear from more people. North8000 has been adding two {{notability}} tags to some articles to note that either the GNG or or SNG criteria can apply on a noted notability issue and that neither has been met. One of the AWB general fixes is deduplicating maintenance templates, and my bot (and potentially any AWB user running general fixes) has been removing the "duplicate" tag.

Should we be adding multiple {{notability}} tags to a single article? If so, could someone please update the documentation with information on when it would be appropriate to do so? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is likely needed is to adapt the template to accept multiple arguments. I don't immediately know how we can do that. Masem (t) 21:06, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(That message on your tp was archived, fwiw). Should multiple notability tags be added? Absolutely not per How to use in the template doc. If a contributor, who has done a thorough BEFORE, thinks neither the general requirements nor specific requirements are reasonably likely met by a subject, they should add the one notability tag they think will most likely attract (and not discourage) competent users who will wish to fix the issue, without discouraging them by the insertion of at least one redundant/duplicate tag. Adding (a) redundant tag(s) to a page is counterproductive, and even disruptive. Please see Wikipedia:Tagging_pages_for_problems#Redundant_tags, an information page which clearly recommends what follows:

Avoid adding two tags to the same article, section or passage that essentially mean the same thing, in whole or in part.[...]. Doing so is WP:POINTy, and disruptive for our readers.

-Mushy Yank. 10:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am thinking more a case where a topic might fit two different SNGs such as with a person that might meet NBIO or NPROF. The GNG should always be considered as a posdible target. Masem (t) 14:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then use GNG only. -Mushy Yank. 16:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But the question was raised before (by me, fwiw). And remained unanswered so far. -Mushy Yank. 17:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One process note....IMO the immediate question is whether a bot should be (automatically) removing a notability tag when two different ones are placed. That said, during NPP, when there is a wp:notability issue (i.e. where neither the GNG or SNG criteria has been met) I tend to put both the GNG tag and the relevant SNG tag. BTW, template which gets added to automatically bundle multiple tags has "multiple issues" wording, which isn't quite right. That wording should probably be changed. It's one issue with two relevant guidelines, both of which are of primary importance. Come to think of it, the bot removing one of the tags actually converts it into an incorrect statement because it implies that not meeting the one remaining criteria is problematic whereas it isn't necessarily so because they can also meet the criteria of the removed guideline. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Contributors who tag pages should select the most efficient way to have the most important issue(s) fixed. Notability is one issue. If no one adds two notability tags, this false problem is "solved". -Mushy Yank. 10:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In summary:

Two tags can be simple informing of the two different ways to resolve the one problem. But the automatic template process which consolidates them into one template adds "multiple issues" wording. During NPP I sometimes put both methods on but I have no strong opinion regarding this and may stop doing it due to the wording that that the automatic "multiple issues" adds
From my view, my discussion with GoingBatty is not about that. It's about whether their bot should be automatically removing tags from articles, and my opinion is that it should not.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just replied to their question. If the discussion is on a different topic, I have no opinion. -Mushy Yank. 16:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]