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Good Ref on Lake Michigan

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The Original Barnstar
Neat fact, I think it's worth a barnstar. Good job. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Precious anniversary

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Precious
Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for caring about Jessye Norman and her article, borrowing her smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, invite to join new RfC on Bruno Bettelheim

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Hi, thanks for participating in last May's RfC (Request for Comment).

I wish to invite you to join a new one with the specific question of:

Should our lead sentence describe Bettelheim as a "self-proclaimed psychologist"?
RfC on lead sentence
started: Feb. 25, 2020

Any time and effort you wish to spend on this will be most appreciated. Thanks. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Joseph Lowery

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On 29 March 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Joseph Lowery, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 03:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


John Lewis

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Thanks for moving that paragraph into chronological order - I had intended to do that while I was editing that section, thought I had, in fact! Glad you picked it up. Tvoz/talk 00:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Precious anniversary

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Precious
Eight years!

I enjoyed having the TFA yesterday, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk)

Thank you. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

US intellectual tradition in political reforms

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Hey. Thank you for your considered statements over the last couple weeks at Talk:United States Electoral College. I wanted to expand on a string of Congressional reform addressing state mal-apportionment in federal elections. I noted previously, efforts to curb state majority abuses included three Acts of Congress passing both House and Senate in an effort to shape political communities that resembled the underlying populations geographically, socially, and ideologically (the culturally-related basket of religion, ethnic practice, and politics): contiguity (1842), and compactness (1872), including equal population (1911) (but only for a few sessions at a time, and never enforced).

If we expand the observation from listing Acts of Congress to exploring who was sponsoring them, the topic takes on an interesting aspect of US political intellectual history. The 1842 legislation was sponsored by Jacksonian Democrats, the 1872 by Lincoln Republicans, and the 1911 by Republican and Democratic Progressives. Wiki-fencing on Talk pages notwithstanding, I understand the impulse to the National Popular Vote generally to be aligned with that intellectual tradition. To take another page from the same democratizing impulse, if the states abuse their Constitutional duty to elect US Senators by their legislatures for thirty consecutive years as they did in the Gilded Age, then the American people will pass a Constitutional Amendment taking the abused trust away from the bad actors subverting their democratic republic.

So it is, that if the states do not refrain from the egregious anti-democratic practice of winner-take-all selection of their presidential electors, I expect that in due time the American people will take away the state legislature role in choosing a president, in one way or another. I will regret the loss of political community that might follow uniform standards for redistricting by equal population, contiguous boundaries, compact shapes, and respecting political boundaries aligned with the state geography. But the voting people are sovereign, at the very least, even if the non-voting populations of the voters' neighbors who are immigrants, young, and transients are left out of the national equation the future.

But whenever a persistent political majority takes form of the same opinion, it must be allowed to prevail, or we lose the American experiment that the London Economist last week noted is the political reason that Americans respect themselves and why others around the globe in turn respect them. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per history, it rather seems inertia will prevail, unless there is sustained political crises in multiple states over multiple elections (we maybe in the middle of such, but perhaps not and over-time the College will continue to most often produce outcomes most everyone can live with and endure, regardless of whatever principles some people see as being served or not). The College was and is a compromise, and it seems hardly surprising that in every generation the compromise will be questioned, and that talk of recalibration will arise, this is especially so in that ideas of what or who a democracy encompasses, change. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP 20

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Thank for your help with Jerome Kohl! - Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page today, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Electoral college edits

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Hello. Former NARA employee here. One certificate is for public inspection as mandated by law - that is what is uploaded. There is a difference between a certificate of vote and ascertainment hence why my edit says "certificate of vote." However, since in the immediate one is available to the public - there is no real difference in the change made. Furthermore, I was simply replacing a certificate of vote from 2012 from one from 2020, hardly a controversial edit. Please refrain from making subtle jabs at other users. I am fully up to speed on the American electoral process. Cliffmore (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cliffmore, Hi. Sorry, I did not think the image was controversial, I thought it was redundant, uninformative of the Process, and ultimately misleading in its redundancy. And since the two Certificates are different, created at different times in the process with different info, etc., and both events recently proved to be controversial, in addition to essential to the links in the chain from popular vote to inauguration, it makes sense in the Process section to illustrate the process with both certificates. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Appreciate your clarification --Cliffmore (talk) 17:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Green for hope

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Lenten Rose

Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Thank you for your position in the arb case request, - I feel I have to stay away, but there are conversations further down on the page, in case of interest, - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Modest flowers

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Thank you for what you said on Yoninah's talk, - see also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2021-03-28/Obituary! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Time flies...

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Hey, Alanscottwalker. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

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Thank you for participating in my RFA

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Nice to see your datestamp in support. Trust is especially valuable when given by contributors with whom I interact regularly. Please help me by keeping sharp eyes on my foibles as they arise. I'm happy to learn something new. BusterD (talk) 21:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

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Precious
Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


RfA 2021 review update

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Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, Primefac and Wugapodes.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).

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Six (musical)

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Hi Alanscottwalker! Could you please help me understand why you reverted my bot's edit? My bot's edit was to delete a duplicated author from a reference. I'm not sure what "removal of TOC" means, as my bot's edit did not remove a table of contents. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Must have been some kind of glitch, because when I went through it at the time the TOC had disappeared and I scrolled through history to see it was the bot edit but now the history does not show that, so, now, all I can say is, apologies. Alanscottwalker (talk) 05:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The TOC issue was discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Missing TOC? Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message

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End of slavery in former Confederate states

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Hey Alan, thanks for your work on Slave states and free states, but I want to clarify the edit of mine you've reverted a couple of times. The Emancipation Proclamation did not end the institution of slavery in areas under Confederate control. It just freed the slaves currently held there — an action enforced by Union forces as they moved through the south. ("...all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State...shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.") Slavery as an 'institution' continued until it was legally eliminated by individual states or by the 13th Amendment. That's one reason former Confederate states were required to ratify the 13th as a condition of readmission.

For example, if someone who owned a slave in a non-emancipated place (like, say, Kentucky, Delaware, or New Orleans) moved them to a place covered by the Proclamation (say, Alabama or Georgia), that slave was still a slave under the law. That's why the individual state changes and 13th Amendment were necessary: to end the institution itself. The Proclamation was the equivalent of a governor commuting the sentences of everyone on his state's Death Row: It protects everyone currently facing a death sentence, but it doesn't ban the death penalty or prevent future people from being sentenced to death. Flaggingwill (talk) 13:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not convinced. The states were under matial law, and martial law ended slavery -- it is also practically certain that should there have arisen a second Dred Scott v. Sandford (of claimed enslaved moving between states) that the courts would never make that horrific mistake again, after the war they just went through. ~~ Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but that's not accurate. Neither the Proclamation nor Union military control "ended slavery" anywhere, legally speaking. Black leaders, as well as Northern Republicans, expressed fears that as soon as Union forces returned home, freedmen would be re-enslaved so long as slavery was still on the books as legal. (From the Toledo Blade: "When the rebellion is suppressed, the same Constitution will be operative as before. Although every Slave in the South be emancipated, the institution in its legal sense would not be destroyed. The Slaves, if they remained in the States, could all be reenslaved as soon as the army that liberated them was removed.") The Proclamation had been made in the narrow context of Lincoln's war powers, and those powers would at some point end.
The Wade–Davis manifesto in 1864 specifically complained that Lincoln's Reconstruction plan "does not secure the abolition of Slavery; for the proclamation of freedom merely professed to free certain slaves, while it recognized the institution. Every constitution of the rebel States at the outbreak of the rebellion may be adopted without the change of a letter, for none of them contravene that proclamation." The whole point of each of the state actions in this article, as well as the 13th, was to remedy the fact that slavery 'as an institution' was still legal until it was made illegal by state or federal legislation. A few months before Lincoln was shot, his Secretary of State William Seward made a speech that made it very clear slavery in the Confederate states would still be a live matter at the war's end:

While the rebels continue to wage war against the Government of the United States, the military measures affecting Slavery, which have been adopted from necessity, to bring the war to a speedy and successful end, will be continued, except so far as practical experience shall show that they can be modified advantageously, with a view to the same end. When the insurgents shall have disbanded their armies, and laid down their arms, the war will instantly cease, and all the war measures then existing, including those which affect Slavery, will cease also, and all the moral, economical and political questions, as well questions affecting Slavery as others which shall then be existing between individuals and States and the Federal Government, whether they arose before the civil war began, or whether they grew out of it, will, by force of the Constitution, pass over to the arbitrament of courts of law, and to the councils of legislation.

And here's his Interior Secretary John P. Usher around the same time:

The moment they submit to the Government and support the Constitution the war must cease, an a matter of course, and peace will be the natural result. Then the question as to whether the President's Proclamation has in fact freed the slaves of the people of the South will come up for decision. It is a question of law, and can be decided only by the courts. The President believes the Proclamation is constitutional and lawful, and that it has effected all it was intended to effect, but if it should turn out, as it may, that the Proclamation does not in fact free all the slaves, the law must take its course over the President's Proclamation, for we are a law-abiding people.

Flaggingwill (talk) 19:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your thesis is still not convincing. Martial law did end slavery, and you can quibble about it not being civil law, but that does not matter - it was the law of the land and it did end slavery. And Lincoln insisted that for a state to ever get out of being under martial law it had to affrim the EP. It seems like you contend the Emancipation Proclamation was illegal, and the courts would have found it illegal, but that is a pipe dream. And of course no court did find the Emancipation Proclamation illegal. Indeed, people argued for more beyond martial law, but that does not mean that martial law where it was in effect did not end slavery - in law, and ´´in fact´´ it did. (Nor did martial law end when the war ended, in some ways it only just began.) By law, martial law ended slavery where it was in effect, or as predicted there would have been nothing to be in court to fight over afterward, were it ever to get to court. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).

Administrator changes

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Arbitration



AE

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Do you know how many times these parties have been to AE over the last decade? [1] An AE filing often results in an immediate retaliatory filing, and so much mud slinging that it's very hard for the uninvolved to determine who's in the wrong. El C, is that a fair summary of the dynamic? Jehochman Talk 18:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much. It's an exceptionally challenging subject matter for the non-expert to orient themselves in. And on the WP:APL side of WP:ARBEE, there's also WP:APLRS to contend with. El_C 18:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One editor has appear on 76 AE archive pages, and the other on 110 pages. They could be AE's most frequent customers. I think it's time to come up with a more systematic solution rather than continuing this revolving door. Jehochman Talk 18:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jehochman, you're here (and at the RfAA [2]) falsely insinuating that there have been 110 AE filings against me. Of course you don't say that explicitly ... because it's so blatantly false that if you did say it explicitly people would laugh at you and you yourself could be sanctioned for WP:ASPERSIONS. So instead, being careful, you only INSINUATE it. ... It's still blatantly false. Yes, there's passing mentions of me at WP:AE [3], or me commenting on someone else's report [4], or even some sock puppets trying to sling mud at me [5] [6] and getting themselves blocked in the process. If you've been editing in controversial areas for 12 years the number of times you get mentioned adds up. And here's another false insinuation - most of these mentions don't even have anything to do with Eastern Europe. They're about Donald Trump, or Race and Intelligence, or Economics, or Mexican history or some other unrelated topic. You either know this, in which case your "some statistics" comment is made entirely in bad faith, or you don't know this, which means you haven't even bothered to do a basic fact check before spouting off.
I also see that you're doing the same type of mealy mouthed insinuation here. Buddy? If you think that I'm guilty of "falsifying history in Eastern Europe for nationalistic ends" then have the guts to say that outright and name me by name, rather than doing this cowardly hint-hint-whisper-whisper crap on people's talk pages. And guess what? At that point, when you actually make the accusation explicitly, I will ask you to back it up with diffs. And if you can't provide such diffs, then *I* will report you myself for WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:NPA. If you can't do that then stop with this "everybody's talking about it" Trumpian nonsense. Volunteer Marek 19:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) No, Jehochman, the editor who has made most trips to AE is actually.... Icewhiz, you know, the guy who you're busy carrying water for right now. Volunteer Marek 19:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He's been banned. So you're saying that a lot of trips to AE correlates with users being banned. Are you sure you want to point out that correlation? Jehochman Talk 20:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bang head against table. No J, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I believe others already pointed out to you how ... specious (at best) your argument is [7]. Volunteer Marek 20:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why this conversation should be here. What issue has AE not been able to deal with -- if the issue is whether someone should be banned from the project or a topic, put in your filing to Arbcom, who should be banned, why, diffs and what steps have been taken to secure the ban prior to Arbcom. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AE has had trouble dealing with some of the editors who are its most frequent customers. No process is going to handle every situation perfectly. This looks like an exceptional case where delegation to AE probably won't solve the problem. The problems are outlined in the four threads I linked. I will respect your wish to end this. You asked and I answered. Thank you for your indulgence and please have the last word if you wish. Jehochman Talk 20:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RFA 2021 Completed

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The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular Primefac, Lee Vilenski, and Ymblanter for closing the most difficult conversations and for TonyBallioni for closing the review of one of the closes.

The following proposals gained consensus and have all been implemented:

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  3. Removal of autopatrol from the administrator's toolkit. Special thanks to Wugapodes and Seddon for their help with implementation.

The following proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration:

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Editors who wish to discuss these ideas or other ideas on how to try to address any of the six issues identified during phase 1 for which no proposal gained are encouraged to do so at RFA's talk page or an appropriate village pump.

A final and huge thanks all those who participated in this effort to improve our RFA process over the last 4 months.


This is the final update with no further talk page messages planned.

01:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and request

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Thank you for catching the missing "an" in my description of the second inaugural address. Please explain your other change, which was adding }} to the end of the block quote. I don't understand what it did.Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).

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  • Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.

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RfC

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I believe you are being disruptive, although at this point I'm not willing to say that you are doing so deliberately. I respect your right to express your opinion, but not repeatedly and not in the wrong place. I don't plan to repeat myself about the "malformed" issue. I think you have made your point quite clearly. The resolution isn't for you and me to repeatedly disagree with each other. I'll respectfully ask you to take that issue to an administrators' board. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 04:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the discussion of malformation and the misleading nature of the RfC belongs in the RfC, not elsewhere. Alanscottwalker (talk) 04:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

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Civil Rights Act of 1964

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Hi Alanscottwalker,

In case you missed it, you added here Roosevelt issuing Executive Order 8802, but unfortunately ref name="Leuchtenburg" appears not to have been defined, so it was removed by another editor.

Best, == Peter NYC (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would you consider

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starting an article on the Arrest of User:Pessimist2006? Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another article

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Note that there is an article under a different name now. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Station name in infobox

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The name in the infobox should reflect the same common name used for the article title. The |other_names= parameter should be used for names not in common use, such as tribute names that are not used on station signs, schedules, etc. See 30th Street Station and South Station for typical usage. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – April 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

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  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
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As a major editor of the article this may be of interest. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:53, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – May 2022

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

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  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
  • The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

Arbitration


End date disputed?

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Please see my entry, which I've titled "End date disputed?", on the Talk page of American Civil War. I am also asking CaptainEek to look at it. Thanks.Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a further comment.Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Just, fyi, I usually watch where I comment so no need for this extra step. Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A messenger award for you!

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Messenger award
Thank you for trying to get the message out there at DYK! Bruxton (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

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  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

Arbitration

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This is essay-worthy

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Hello. Just popping in to suggest that you might consider expanding your recent Talk:V post into a little essay/checklist.

:::::The thing is, the onus, or responsibility, does not first arise when there is a dispute, it arose at the time an author's first article addition, including at article creation. The principle for adding content is that it improves the pedia, we judge what improves the pedia by whether it accords with editing policies and guidelines: an irrevancy does not improve the pedia, a mangled context does not improve the pedia, a misplaced context does not improve the pedia, a lack of context does not improve the pedia, an overstated or misunderstood source does not improve the pedia, a trivia does not improve the pedia, a POV does not improve the pedia, a CVIO does not improve the pedia, an original research does not improve the pedia, etc. The onus, the responsibility, never moves, it is always on the author. No author is perfect or can be perfect but they do have to work to improve the pedia, and show it to the world, in their work.-- Alanscottwalker (talk) 12:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

My personal, pessimistic observation is that important articles are increasingly overwhelmed by inexperienced or ill-informed editors who consider the extent of their personal knowledge to be the extent of all human knowledge. Lots of bad content is being promoted without enough research into the broader sources that would ensure useful NPOV narratives for our readers. One telltale sign comes in articles relating to current events where we see citations to local news media or third-tier broadcast reports rather than globally recognized journalism or academic sources. SPECIFICO talk 13:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think it was ever thus, that is the nature of the beast, we can't expect people to know how to write an encyclopedia or Wikipedia, we must still continue to insist that they do it right. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see it getting quite a bit worse in articles relating to current events, perhaps because of media silos that reinforce some editors' casual conclusion that they are well enough informed to differentiate valid content from POV or NOTNEWS. Also, the number of politics-related articles has proliferated to such an extent that the relatively small number of well-informed editors is spread too thin. They are easily overwhelmed by perhaps well-intentioned, perhaps partisan, newcomers. SPECIFICO talk 15:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Let me tell you more about my most recent edit. Instead of changing "Congress" to "the House of Representatives," I considered changing "By late 1864" to "In 1864," and leaving it as "Congress." But I have no evidence that Lincoln lobbied the Senate as he did the House. I have the Holzer and Gabbard book, and the pages cited do not mention the Senate. Neither does another relevant essay in the book.

Also, the book is a collection of essays, and the footnote should cite the essays and then say "in Holzer and Gabbard." I didn't make that edit, because I am not familiar with the abbreviated form of the footnote, and I'd have to redo the footnote in an unabbreviated form. If you'd like to work on this, the essay that includes 172-174 is Belz, Herman, "The Constitution, the Amendment Process, and the Abolition of Slavery." But equally relevant is Vorenberg, Michael, "The Thirteenth Amendment Enacted," pp. 180-182. The entire essay is on 180-194; the entire Belz essay is on 160-179. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I simplified it, the aside is better noted in other articles. As general context (not for this Civil War article) Lincoln was very much keyed to election promises/mandates, he ran on non-expansion of slavery in 1860 and would not bend on that when he won, even to avert the civil war; he ran on the 13th amendment in 1864, and pursued it when he won in November. Also, Lincoln generally ascribed to an older Whiggish institutional philosophy where the law making lead was in the people's legislature, while the executive was more suggestive in that regard (whereas, the suppression of the rebellion power was in the executive). Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did the South secede?

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Thanks again for catching my error; I had forgotten Booth's comment. But any reader who was unfamiliar with the comment or had forgotten it might be confused by Wikipedia first quoting Lincoln advocating Black suffrage and then stating that Booth reacted by wanting to kill Lincoln for supporting Black citizenship. I propose that we change "became determined to kill Lincoln for supporting citizenship for blacks. Booth is reported to have remarked: 'That is the last speech he will ever make'" to "and reacted by saying, 'That means nigger citizenship. Now, by God, I'll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.'" I would footnote that to Ronald White's A. Lincoln, p. 672. Would you go along with that? Wikipedia quotes "nigger" where appropriate, as I think it is here. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. I think, it's clear and direct the way it is, and already sourced. Alanscottwalker (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First, I explained why the version you prefer is unclear. To repeat, it jumps without explanation from Lincoln's advocating Black suffrage to Booth's opposition to Black citizenship. You have not attempted to dispute that, but only to assert without offering a reason that it is clear.
Second, you imply that my version is unclear, which is patently false, and you do not explain why it is unclear.
Therefore, I will revert back to my version. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know that editing wars are frowned upon, so I will not undo your change now. But I intend to pursue this, after I figure out the arbitration procedure, which I've never used. In light of the fact that I offer reasons for my version and you rudely do not, I expect to prevail. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1st, I reverted to the longtstanding version, you made a mistake by reverting back, see BRD. If you don't understand my reasons you can ask and discuss.
2nd: Any reader with a modicum of sense, can see the connection between voting and citzenship. (both in the way the sentences are structured and in substance)
3rd: A simple declarative statement is always more clear. What we are to do here is summarize, simply and straitforwardly. (the point there is simply that someone wanted to kill him for giving that speech, and that's because voting means citizenship, the details of the speech and Booth belong in other articles.Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(drive-by commenter) I agree here that the interest of encyclopedic brevity should be served. Any clarity added by the longer quotation is negated by the strong words used by Booth. The longer version of Booth's words seems to belong in Booth's biography, as it serves to characterize Booth's state of mind in more detail. This article talk page concerns Lincoln. Quisqualis (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This is very common, normal procedure on other articles, as I'm sure you know. It is the 'standard' in a descriptive rather than prescriptive way. You brought to my attention that this is actually contrary to Wikipedia's standards. Would you recommend generally that, if a person's convicted felon status isn't what makes them notable, that information be excluded from the opening paragraph if it is mentioned in the body of the article? Philomathes2357 (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, and not just that, (every subject has some differences), but Fred Hampton's (like other famous people's) biography is already written-up in formal encyclopedia articles, so there is already good guidance for due encyclopedic presentation for such subjects. (As far as me knowing about so-called "normal" procedure, I just can't agree) Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I restored it. So far as I can see, Hampton’s charge was dropped, Duke’s was not. A summary of hos article should include the felony. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke#Legal_difficulties_and_felony_conviction Doug Weller talk 19:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I find only three instances of the word "drop" or "dropped" in Fred Hampton's Wikipedia page, none of which reference his felony charges being dropped. Nor do I find any record of it from any reliable source, or any source at all on Google, Bing, or Yahoo Search. I considered that you meant that Hampton was posthumously pardoned, but I can't find any record of this either.

On the contrary, the USA Today article by Rasha Ali from 13 Feb 2021 entitled "Fact-checking 'Judas and the Black Messiah': Was Fred Hampton drugged or arrested for ice cream?" concludes discussion of the matter by stating "The Black Panther Party leader denied Suitt's accusations and claimed he was denied a fair trial. Regardless, Hampton spent some time in prison.". There is no mention of a later dropping of charges or pardon.

However, the matter was appealed to the Illinois Supreme Court. They upheld the decision of Cook County, and their affirmation is linked below. Either I've made a major oversight, in which case I welcome a citation, or Hampton was never pardoned, and the charges were never dropped.

I'll be happy to see some links to citations if you have them, since the fact Hampton's charges were dropped, if true, is not even mentioned on his Wikipedia page to date. I won't revert the Fred Hampton page back until we've actually sorted out the question of whether his charges were dropped, whether he was pardoned, or not. Of course, if they weren't dropped, it makes no logical sense to include one individual's felon status in their introductory sentence and not another. This fact should either be stated on both Hampton and Duke's opening sentences (as it's stated on the pages of other individuals), or it should be stated in neither. Given the strongly negative connotations of a felony conviction, I err on the side of neither.

https://law.justia.com/cases/illinois/supreme-court/1969/42474-5.html Philomathes2357 (talk) 04:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. I see that Alanscottwalker took it upon himself to re-revert my edit to the Fred Hampton page, even though nobody has challenged anything I said above. The only reason I took matters into my own hands and edited the page was because I interpreted a lack of communication as tacit agreement - since we're all on the same page that Fred Hampton's convicted felon status was never dropped (unless evidence can be presented) we can agree that it is pertinent, even though it's mentioned later in the article.
Another reason I thought this was agreed upon is that David Duke's page, which I picked at random from a sample of pages that include "convicted felon" in the opening sentence, was reverted when I removed the "convicted felon" piece, suggesting that the consensus was that "convicted felon", if the charges have not been dropped or expunged, is pertinent and important information to include in the introductory sentence.
I cannot see any reason whatsoever beyond raw editorial bias why "convicted felon" should be included in *some* opening sentences, while buried in the body of other bios. Either "convicted felon" should be included in the summary of every individual who's been convicted of a felony, or it's not appropriate to do so, and any criminal background should be relegated to the body of the bio, while leaving the introductory sentence to provide a more general overview of *why* this individual is significant enough to warrant a Wikipedia article.
If anything, you could argue that Hampton's felony conviction is *more* significant than Duke's, since Hampton's incident allegedly involved physical violence and Duke's is tax and finance related. But again, I think a clear policy or rule of thumb needs to be developed on this issue, rather than shooting from the hip and letting the specter of editorial bias sneak in.
I propose to remove the statement "convicted felon" from the opening sentence of David Duke's page, as well as every other page in which similar language is used, unless a person's convicted felon status is a major part of what makes them significant public figures (i.e. Jeffrey Epstein). I believe that is the most reasonable policy in regards to announcing an individual's felon status in the first sentence. If anyone wants to chime in, great, otherwise I'll go forward, and hope for an honest engagement rather than snark and misinformation. Philomathes2357 (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Philomathes2357 I see the word felony only once:" In exchange for having his felony charges dropped and receiving a monthly stipend, O'Neal agreed to infiltrate the BPP as a counterintelligence operative.". Doug Weller talk 10:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can't create policy, which is what you seem to be trying to do. I've suggested either an RfC on the talk page or try to get this into BLP, but I doubt that will work as it is so specific. Doug Weller talk 10:52, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Doug, thanks for engaging. As far as I can tell, the quote you just shared about felony charges being dropped refers to O'Neal, the informant, not Hampton. Also, I know I can't snap my fingers and single-handedly create policy, but I'd be happy to go through to proper channels to attempt to do so once something resembling a consensus has been established here. Thanks again for chiming in with some substance. Philomathes2357 (talk) 16:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, nothing in the article said at least directly Hampton was convicted of a felony, and ordinary assault is not a felony. So why is there an issue about felony not being in the lead? Doug Weller talk 17:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, the fact that Hampton was convicted of a felony isn't directly mentioned in the article - which is kind of strange, since it's true. He wasn't convicted of "ordinary assault", he was convicted of robbery, which most certainly *is* a felony. I'm glad you pointed out this omission, as it shows that the body of the Hampton article needs work, too. I think the exact charge he was convicted of belongs in the body, but the phrase "convicted felon" shouldn't be in the lead - here or anywhere. Philomathes2357 (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So he was. But unless it’s changed recently, that wasn’t in the article so at that point it shouldn’t have been an issue. But all of this belongs on Duke’s talk page really. Doug Weller talk 17:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think these conversations are best had on Duke's page, Hampton's talk page, and the thread I created at "biographies of living persons". As you'll see, a clear consensus has emerged. Thanks for your input and I look forward to hearing your dissenting opinions on one of those talk pages. I agree, let's stop spamming Alanscottwalker's page, as he clearly has no interest in being engaged on this topic at this time. Will no longer reply to posts on this thread. Philomathes2357 (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]]. I noticed you recently did some copyediting on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange article. I recently posted a request on the article's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chicago_Mercantile_Exchange Talk page] concerning the Mergers and Productions sections that I'm hoping you could take a look at. I have a conflict of interest, so I'm not going to be editing the article directly. Any feedback you can provide would be appreciated! ~~~~ Lbischel (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alanscottwalker, just checking to see if you've had a chance to review the proposed update to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange article's Products section. I replied to your comment and tried to address the timeline issue that you raised. Any additional guidance would be much appreciated. Lbischel (talk) 17:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, Alanscottwalker. I recently posted a proposal on the CME Group Talk page that attempts to correct conflation between Chicago Mercantile Exchange and CME Group. Would appreciate any feedback you can provide. Lbischel (talk) 22:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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...but please do not edit war, as you are currently doing at Ida B. Wells. [8][9] I ask you to self-revert pending a new consensus and instead engage substantively on the talk page. Generalrelative (talk) 22:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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If you're going to insist that edits like this remain in articles, you are responsible for cleaning them up. That edit not only added many sources that aren't appropriate for that article but also added categories and a template that is already in the article or also inappropriate. You've taken responsibility for the material so I expect you'll clean them up yourself. ElKevbo (talk) 14:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. Per Wikipedia's MOS, templates that are in the article are appropriate where as here, the citation section is very long. And you're the only one who knows what you think about various sources with the vague personal phrase 'appropriate', as a matter of the MOS and Preserve -- so it is incumbent on you to edit in not delete but do not remove any just because they are also in the long citation section. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you are talking about other templates than cite templates (which you did not mention in your edit summary), I have removed those from the section, which could have easily been done by you with an actually informative edit summary, without your mistaken wholesale deletion. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please keep an eye on the Baptists article. Nathan B2 has made many changes that remove important links (like those to Christian denomination) from the article. There seems to be an effort to put all Baptists under the umbrella of evangelicalism when there are mainline Baptist denominations, such as the American Baptist Churches USA. desmay (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The plan has actually all the letters but the letter K, indicating the Henry VIII gate, is black on dark brown and black and almost impossible to see. I tried to download the original, unlettered, diagram to redo the lettering but don't appear to be able to. It really needs a new version to include the East Terrace but that is beyond my graphics abilities. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes, I found the K (and the O) after my comment. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've managed to relable it, I was trying to drag it direct into photoshop, which doesn't accept svg files! Strangely it now appears in the colours indicated in the alt parameter, not sure how. I also tried to add a letter for the East Terrace but it doesn't display. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As described at length in my edit summary at this edit for the article for Marble Hill, Manhattan, there is no Harlem Ship Canal. Harlem Ship Canal is a redirect to Spuyten Duyvil Creek which says "Today, Spuyten Duyvil Creek, the Harlem River Ship Canal, and the Harlem River form a continuous channel, referred to collectively as the Harlem River". The article for Harlem River says that is "flowing between the Hudson River and the East River", which covers the same definition as provided in the article for Spuyten Duyvil Creek. As a compromise in the Marble Hill article, I refer in the image caption to the body of water as the Harlem River and mention in as the long-ago site of the Harlem Ship Canal. I hope that serves as a satisfactory alternative. Alansohn (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of you what wrote demonstrates there is "no Harlem Ship Canal". Just because the Harlem River also exists, in no way means that the Harlem Ship Canal does not exist. Indeed, that claim of yours is complete nonsense. As already discussed on the article talk page, the canal does exist and its what's in the picture of Marble Hill. The canal has existed ever since it was dug, and it exists today, it's never moved. The Harlem Ship Canal, the man-made channel south of Marble Hill, that separates it from Manhattan, is very much completely still there. And where it is today, is practically the most important thing that explains Marble Hill, Manhattan (like why it's part of Manhattan). Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I firmly disagree, what I am asking is are willing to accept the compromise wording added to the caption in the article? Alansohn (talk) 03:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other than your fanciful nonsense about a canal disappearing, your bogus reliance on broad unsourced Wikipedia statements (read Wikipedia is not a reliable source) to jump to your fanciful nonsense (which do not support your preposterous conclusion, anyway), and that the caption is rather less efficient than when it gets straight to the canal, which is what is relevant to the neighborhood - I've edited compromise in. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Outside ourselves and not ontological in which sense? It seems interesting.

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You wrote a bunch of agreements outside ourselves we have to make for measurement, standards, etc., and it is decidedly not an ontological exercise. Ontological has been given different meanings in different contexts. I suspect you refer to ontology as in the study of what is. This is in opposition to a study of knowledge (about what is) and how we know, etc. It would make sense that the agreements have to be at this other level. Now, assuming I am not totally lost, I still need to understand why you say "outside ourselves". Perhaps, you mean outside ourselves as individuals. That would make sense, because it has to be intersubjective if it is shared. That is interesting, because it is both intersubjective (outside ourselves) and yet not ontological. Dominic Mayers (talk) 14:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note added: Ah ! I think you wanted me to be aware that there is a serious challenge when we discuss a policy. Yep, this is deep. It is not obvious at all from where to start to obtain these agreements. Ontologically speaking, it could be that it is fundamentally impossible, but this is an ontological position (if we view it as the outcome of our brain structures) that is also an epistemic position. Dominic Mayers (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Quick question: did you get a ping for the Telegraph RFC? I ask because there's still a lot of people from the previous discussion who haven't commented, so I wonder if maybe pinging people didn't work even the second time. Loki (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ping worked for me. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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BLP art collector and businessman

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Hi Alanscottwalker, I uploaded an article draft for Carl Thoma, an art collector and businessman whose foundation supports various arts and education initiatives. Thoma is a board member of the Art Institute of Chicago, and I discovered your name there. Would you mind looking over my draft? I certainly would appreciate any input that would help in moving the article to main space. Thank you very much! JBarTB (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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