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Penis saint … or geography of the Kyrgyz Republic ?
It is like a good book, right?
We have the English Professor Vacuum maintaining its continual inward suction by having a complete absence of any English professors whatsoever here, Doktoro, but I am thinking at the moment that it would be unwise to do the same for philosophy professors. Stick a handful of them into a room and ask them what a book is, and they'll come up with three competing schools of thought all with their own -isms and -ists, a solemn explanation of the ontology of an abstract manifold of a set of leaf-forms carrying signifiers for a social construct of lexemes, several critiques pointing out that sets are not ordered, and at least one rebel explaining that everyone else is wrong because they all forgot that books can have pictures.
All that said, John M. Ellis is a German professor.
Uncle G (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Don't even get me started on Book history, which as you can see, doesn't even exist, though we have an article on Book History, a journal devoted to the topic. And we've got History of books (which ones, I wonder?) instead of History of the book, which rather morosely redirects there. Little wonder that we can't tell the difference between Literary work and Literature... -- asilvering (talk) 10:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Asilvering you say "literature" like we know what it is. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- No more or less than we understand what Art or Music are, I suppose. -- asilvering (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Aargh! Sociology! That's even harder to write than philosophy, if anything. Although we really all should put a little brown box here at Articles for creation so that Doktoro can get some sociology credits in. The credits all add up at the end of the year, Doktoro.
I found Jean-Michel Chahsiche and John Raimo straightaway, but the question is are they good places to start. Peter Lamarque was obvious for literature. As you can see xe did the literature chapters for some Routledges and Blackwells, and xe and Olsen were oft-cited by others. Chahsiche and Raimo are chapter 14 in the Routledge ISBN 9780367553258 but it's not obvious that they are a good place to start. They go on to begin with Roger Chartier and D. F. McKenzie (Donald McKenzie (academic) to xyr close friends). Although ISBN 9781134380060 seems an interesting source. The title is somewhat of a clue.
Doktoro:
I can cite not only a an Indianianana University professor and person of culture (Ted Striphas) as a source but even an English professor (Graham Holderness) as a source for that. A bit of Aussie straight talking to set all of these -ologists right.Did you know … that William J. Mitchell once described books as "tree flakes encased in dead cow"?
Uncle G (talk) 12:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- DF McKenzie is the big name. Can't get through grad school in book history without having to read Bibliography and the Sociology of Texts. (Or, well, without having pretended to read it, anyway.) -- asilvering (talk) 18:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Alas, to be an encyclopaedist one has to read the books. After reading the sociology books, one spends at least a day speculating on the fact that, whilst not epistemologically unsound and certainly not in abstract a priori forbidden by any innate attribute of the ideal forms that cannot be overcome at least in a topological sense, yet nonetheless as a result of historio-cultural influences that have deep roots in human praxis that seemingly admit of few cultural restrictions let alone an explicit semiosis, one always puts on one's socks before one's shoes.
And what is a shoe?
Uncle G (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Alas, to be an encyclopaedist one has to read the books.
Look out, uncle, or someone might get you for original research. -- asilvering (talk) 23:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)- All this got me to devote a section of "what is literature" to the English Lit 1 survey class yesterday. Thanks for the book suggestion: there's good used copies on Amazon and I'm getting one. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- If you don't like it, we can't be friends, so don't tell me. -- asilvering (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Haha you're actually DF McKenzie and you work on retirement by making your students buy your books? In my case, that's $300 a pop and serves them no purpose! Drmies (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Alas, I'm not that smart. Also, he died before I even got to grad school. -- asilvering (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Haha you're actually DF McKenzie and you work on retirement by making your students buy your books? In my case, that's $300 a pop and serves them no purpose! Drmies (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- If you don't like it, we can't be friends, so don't tell me. -- asilvering (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- All this got me to devote a section of "what is literature" to the English Lit 1 survey class yesterday. Thanks for the book suggestion: there's good used copies on Amazon and I'm getting one. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Alas, to be an encyclopaedist one has to read the books. After reading the sociology books, one spends at least a day speculating on the fact that, whilst not epistemologically unsound and certainly not in abstract a priori forbidden by any innate attribute of the ideal forms that cannot be overcome at least in a topological sense, yet nonetheless as a result of historio-cultural influences that have deep roots in human praxis that seemingly admit of few cultural restrictions let alone an explicit semiosis, one always puts on one's socks before one's shoes.
- DF McKenzie is the big name. Can't get through grad school in book history without having to read Bibliography and the Sociology of Texts. (Or, well, without having pretended to read it, anyway.) -- asilvering (talk) 18:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Asilvering you say "literature" like we know what it is. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Definition
As you can see from Talk:literary work, I think that literature#Definitions needs some improvement. Seeing what LEvalyn wrote, I might tackle it in the way that I suggested, although I am still in the mucklands with the sweetcorn at the moment.
But I thought that I would quickly knock together something that you could use in your well-lit class in the meantime, Doktoro.
It is very reliable. It is from a really good source that I found that even had "What is Literature?" as its title and was published by Wiley and edited by an English chair; which, being the furniture lover that you are, I know that you will appreciate. Almost all of the authors are bluelinked, too. What better sign of reliability could one get?
I hope that two paragraphs is enough for the class, Doktoro. Otherwise I might have to pull out a second book.
Uncle G (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- OOOOOH very nice. That will go great with the candy bars I bought my students (all three of em) at the Indian grocery store. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
March music
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Today: Carmen turns 150, as the main page and my story tell you. I chose a 1962 concert of the Habanera, - enjoy! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
On Ravel's birthday, we also think of a conductor and five more composers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
Today I could have written five stories off the main page, and chose Sofia Gubaidulina. I find the TFA also interesting, and two DYK, and a birthday OTD. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
Today: an opera, 100 years old OTD, on Bach's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
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Reblock?
Could you take a look at 116.212.152.74? You blocked the IP based on CheckUser evidence three months ago. That block expired today, and it looks like the same person is still editing from that address. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:26, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can't do that anymore. I can't even see the logs. Drmies (talk) 04:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- I was just about to block the IP for 6 months, but Girth Summit beat me to it with a one-year CU block. It's pretty obvious who the IP is, and I'm not even familiar with the SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:33, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)Sir Sputnik - I can see the logs, and thanks to Drmies' excellent edit summaries (check summaries?), I've reblocked, for a year this time. Drmies - I'm not aware of your reason for stepping away from the took, but I'll miss having you on the team. Girth Summit (blether) 14:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
AN/I Discussion
(Not a involved party or sysop) There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ✏️ C809 ⌨️ (let's chat) 05:21, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1279040047 is quite right. Who on Earth thinks that that's proper biographical article writing? Uncle G (talk) 10:58, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, a hobbyist, right? Someone not interested in how a certain place runs and how their own interests might fit in. Anyway, I think User:Jessicapierce is doing a lot of good work, and they've been here longer than me! Shock! Jessicapierce, I love your first edit. I had no idea we had such a page, BTW. François Vatel still needs work! ;) Drmies (talk) 14:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, I'd forgotten all about that cleanup page! And had no idea that was my first edit. It's very funny to me that it's a grumpy complaint about Chantilly cream, posted about a year before I got a job as a baker. Thanks for digging that up, and thanks for all you do around here - I see your username just about every day. You are appreciated! Jessicapierce (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. You were a baker! Props. For the life of me I can't find a decent biography of Vatel--but I'm sure my uncle will post six of them in the next hour. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well there's a history of cooking, Doktoro. And some stuff written in Foreign, that you will have to translate for us. But my hands are currently full of sources for people who ruined Zellwood, Florida with sweetcorn. Which is not part of the fish course. Uncle G (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Young, Carolin C. (2002). "Showing Off: Nicolas Fouquet Impresses the King". Apples of Gold in Settings of Silver: Stories of Dinner as a Work of Art. Simon and Schuster. pp. 118–120. ISBN 9780743222020.
- Michel, Dominique (1999-11-24). Vatel et la naissance de la gastronomie (in French). Éditions Fayard. ISBN 9782213605135.
- Those poor swamp puppies were the first to pray the price for all that sweetcorn, huh. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well there's a history of cooking, Doktoro. And some stuff written in Foreign, that you will have to translate for us. But my hands are currently full of sources for people who ruined Zellwood, Florida with sweetcorn. Which is not part of the fish course. Uncle G (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. You were a baker! Props. For the life of me I can't find a decent biography of Vatel--but I'm sure my uncle will post six of them in the next hour. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Wow, I'd forgotten all about that cleanup page! And had no idea that was my first edit. It's very funny to me that it's a grumpy complaint about Chantilly cream, posted about a year before I got a job as a baker. Thanks for digging that up, and thanks for all you do around here - I see your username just about every day. You are appreciated! Jessicapierce (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, a hobbyist, right? Someone not interested in how a certain place runs and how their own interests might fit in. Anyway, I think User:Jessicapierce is doing a lot of good work, and they've been here longer than me! Shock! Jessicapierce, I love your first edit. I had no idea we had such a page, BTW. François Vatel still needs work! ;) Drmies (talk) 14:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
Frankie goes to Vatican
Doktoro, if you want to read about a very dead person's nose, and indeed toes, then I have the source for you. Brockey studies Mediaeval things in a Horticulture, so that seems legit.
Did you know that a second Frankie and Johnny both had to have private visits arranged during the night?Brockey 2015, p. 63 And a third Frankie recounts how the first Frankie was put on wheels?Brockey 2015, p. 64
There are even pictures.
Uncle G (talk) 09:41, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Brockey, Liam Matthew (2015). "The Cruelest Honor: The Relics of Francis Xavier in Early-Modern Asia". The Catholic Historical Review. 101 (1). Catholic Material Culture: 41–64. doi:10.1353/cat.2015.0001. JSTOR 43900075.
- Haha, "the body of Xavier began to take on a life of its own" (55). Drmies (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
Tour dates and merch
Knowing how you dislike recentism, Doktoro, I got you some old 20th century tour dates.
- Bruce, Philip (1983). "A relic of St. Francis Xavier" (PDF). Journal of the Hong Kong Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society. 23. Royal Asiatic Society Hong Kong Branch: 204–207. ISSN 1991-7295. JSTOR 23886800.
And I hate to tell you this, but a dead Pom photographed the bloody panels individually and mentioned some Foggini fella.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "Inscribed "MOX INIMICA FUGAT" (Hostile night is put to flight) - "NOX" is actually written "MOX" since writer did not know Latin. -- Angels with medallion". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier, north side. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195847.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "By Foggini, bronze. -- St. Francis Xavier dying in a hut at Sancian". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier, east panel. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195843.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "Silver relic casket, panel. -- St. Francis Xavier expelling demons from sick man by Goa artist". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195850.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "North panel by Foggini, bronze. -- St. Francis Xavier preaching to the people of the Moluccas". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195826.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "Silver relic casket, panel. -- St. Francis Xavier travelling through Japan on foot by Goa artists". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195851.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "By Foggini, bronze. -- St. Francis Xavier swimming to escape from the wild natives of Morro". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier,south panel. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195836.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "West panel by Foggini, bronze. -- St. Francis Xavier baptizing". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195833.
- Basham, Arthur Llewellyn. "Body of St. Francis Xavier within the silver casket". Old Goa: Basilica of Bom Jesus, Tomb of St. Francis Xavier. Australian National University. hdl:1885/195853.
You might have to block Australia, Doktoro, so that only Aussies ever know that the ANU exists. Imagine if the news got out to the papers!
- Silva, Kristian (2012-10-08). "On show, the moving arm of faith". The Sydney Morning Herald.
- Gerard Fernandes, Frankey (2012-11-01). "The relic of St. Francis Xavier tours Oz". Indian Link.
Uncle G (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- The secret is out, Doktoro. There's an Art professor in California who knows. Uncle G (talk) 18:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
Schools of, um, higher learning belong to you. Indian schools of higher learning belong somewhere other than on Wikipedia. Sometimes I wish I didn't click on Random article.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Lol. Don't revert again, let me see if I can block for edit warring. Doug Weller talk 17:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- As they say "i am the authorized person from the institute itself to edit this page.", I've page blocked them for COI. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah Doug, that was all website info anyway... Drmies (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- As they say "i am the authorized person from the institute itself to edit this page.", I've page blocked them for COI. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
WP:RUR rollback
Hey Drmies, there are a lot of Rollback request sitting around, any interest in taking them? Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 15:46, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm I would but I'm kind of pressed for time right now... Drmies (talk) 15:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- I understand. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 15:54, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- OK User:Myrealnamm, how ya like me now? It's kind of like sending one's children out into the real world. Drmies (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- yay! I lured away a sysop![JK] Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 12:46, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- OK User:Myrealnamm, how ya like me now? It's kind of like sending one's children out into the real world. Drmies (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- I understand. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 15:54, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Sweetcorn!

I just had to redlink hypodiegetic narrative because another encyclopaedia reports that some hep cat named Mieke Bal thinks that it's groovy, Doktoro. Make it stop! I should be writing about sweetcorn.
Uncle G (talk) 06:23, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
An English professor who is French has written almost a page of stuff about the argument between two literary cats over whether it properly should be "meta-" or "hypo-".
I am going to leave it in the further reading and walk away from the keyboard, Doktoro. You clearly have the English Professor Vaccuum on the French setting.
Uncle G (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm I'm actually asking myself what the difference is between your hypoallergenic metanarrative and Story within a story. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Given how much Pier devotes to just the prefix, we can only rejoice that, as we have so firmly and assiduously maintained an utter absence of any English professors whatsoever on this page (with the well-known consequences), none will be here to explain that to us at what would likely be quite tedious great length, Doktoro. I applaud the forethought of your creating the English Professor Vacuum all of those years ago. It has saved us all. Uncle G (talk) 01:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, glad to have been of use, Uncle? Sorry, I was summarizing a particularly tedious bit of prose. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- The lurkers are no doubt sending their thanks to you via e-mail. By the way, some dude who writes poems on cars or something has written some letters to some "dirty geaddresseerden", whatever those are, and published them in a boek, accusing the dirty people of doing "literatuur" at the end of the book. It's in Gallifreyan, though. And another cat from the Swinging Sixties says something about "van den Boogaard", which I can only assume to be Humphrey Bogart. Those wacky Tijme Loords, eh? Uncle G (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Vergeer, Koen (2025). Heelal van papier: een ode aan het lezen (in Dutch). Atlas Contact. ISBN 9789045048734.
- Westerlinck, Albert (1963). "Lennart, Clare". Moderne encyclopedie der wereldliteratuur (in Dutch). Vol. 5. P. Brand. p. 48. ISBN 9789022843109.
- Since this is the Gelderland Wanderers, I believe that the correct popular culture utterance for the youth cred is: Gelderland! Gelderland! Gelderland! Gelderland! Gelderland! Gelderlaaaaaaand!
But what is a "kunstschilder" do you think, Doktoro? It sounds vaguely worrying. Anyway, this schrijver cat was in the army, so maybe it's a rank in Gallifreyan or something.
Uncle G (talk) 02:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Laning, Dick, ed. (2006). "Clare Lennart". Sporen van schrijvers en dichters in Overijssel en Gelderland (in Dutch). Waanders. pp. 27–31. ISBN 9789040091032.
- Verroen, Dolf (1975). Herinneringen aan Clare Lennart (in Dutch). Vol. 150. Nijgh & Van Ditmar. ISBN 9789023653295. ISSN 2213-6878.
- Klaver, Eveline H. (1979). Claartje, mijn zusje: (over het leven en werk van Clare Lennart) (in Dutch). Nijgh & Van Ditmar. ISBN 9789023654377.
- Well, Van Gogh was a kunstschilder, and his article is an FA, so "painter" should do. Funny--I was just talking to my old history teacher about the Boekenweek. Drmies (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe Herr kunstschilder Van Gogh and Herr kunstschilder Luite Klaver served in the same brigade in the war. Uncle G (talk) 05:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah, I can't access any of those, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Not even the herrings of Clare Lennart one, I suppose. That's a shame. I was hoping that you could explain to me how on Earth herrings come into this. Or who suzie is. Uncle G (talk) 05:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- The lurkers are no doubt sending their thanks to you via e-mail. By the way, some dude who writes poems on cars or something has written some letters to some "dirty geaddresseerden", whatever those are, and published them in a boek, accusing the dirty people of doing "literatuur" at the end of the book. It's in Gallifreyan, though. And another cat from the Swinging Sixties says something about "van den Boogaard", which I can only assume to be Humphrey Bogart. Those wacky Tijme Loords, eh? Uncle G (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, glad to have been of use, Uncle? Sorry, I was summarizing a particularly tedious bit of prose. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Given how much Pier devotes to just the prefix, we can only rejoice that, as we have so firmly and assiduously maintained an utter absence of any English professors whatsoever on this page (with the well-known consequences), none will be here to explain that to us at what would likely be quite tedious great length, Doktoro. I applaud the forethought of your creating the English Professor Vacuum all of those years ago. It has saved us all. Uncle G (talk) 01:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
Gelderland!
If you were monitoring the socials, as the youth of today do, Doktoro, you'd be updating the Gerwin van der Werf (AfD discussion) article right now. You have to admire how (a) Wikipedia editors think that a correction to a number and a change of tense by Gerwin.vanderwerf (talk · contribs) are so important that a notice about them has to stand for 15 years, and (b) Wikipedia editors appear to believe that June 2014 is "recent events" in this case. Uncle G (talk) 03:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
kunstschilder!
Reading the sources for your African Urban Youth Cred, Doktoro, in particular the watery African professor and the African Hamburger professor writing in 2004, I am struck by where they talk about borrowing, truncation, hybridization, metaphor, metonymy, hyperbole, dysphemism, metathesis, archaism, paraphrase, and dummy affixation. One of these linguistics terms is not like the others Doktoro, and is instead like Edith Fairfax Davenport here.
Maybe it is because dummy isn't as Greek as the fancy terms. You know that we only do fancy titles here in Wikipedia.
Maybe we should switch the English Professor Vacuum to one of its special settings to suck in an English Greek professor to explain to us what the fancy Greek name is for what the African professors are talking about. Then we can write an article with a proper fancy Greek name, Wikipedia style.
Uncle G (talk) 10:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
1965 war military losses
There's two references about India and Pakistan wounded and killed soldier both give the same figure but a editor Pax98 continuously removing the sources by saying that disruptive. According to these both references india suffered from 3,712 killed and 7,638 wounded meanwhile Pakistan suffered from 1,500 killed and 4,300 wounded in 1965 warComsats777 (talk) 07:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know why you're posting that here--that's for the article talk page. Drmies (talk) 12:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Because in talk page no one reply and i even try talk with Pax98 in his talk page but he don't reply. He even reverted you edit too about Phillora.
- Anyway, can you pls come in 1965 war talk page title Fatal casualties and show your agreement and disagreement so we can make consensus Comsats777 (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Ponyo, is this a sock of User:PWC786? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Possible, but I definitely wouldn't hang my hat on the technical data without strong behavioural evidence.-- Ponyobons mots 15:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you Ponyo. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- What's the meaning of sock? Comsats777 (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, that's an account created to circumvent Wikipedia policy; in many cases it's a blocked editor who returns with a new account. User:Bbb23, you may have thoughts here--thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't seem to have many thoughts lately, more than usual brain dysfunction. I do find Comsats777 suspicious - Ponyo, I don't suppose you checked them?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Bbb23:, yes, results just a few posts above...-- Ponyobons mots 15:49, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I misunderstood, I thought you were comparing Pax98 to PWC786.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- No, Comsats--I figured I'd ask you since you placed the other block. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I misunderstood, I thought you were comparing Pax98 to PWC786.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Bbb23:, yes, results just a few posts above...-- Ponyobons mots 15:49, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't seem to have many thoughts lately, more than usual brain dysfunction. I do find Comsats777 suspicious - Ponyo, I don't suppose you checked them?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ook, is that ok if i ask from people to participate in a edited dispute randomly so we can reach a consensus and resolve the dispute? Comsats777 (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Comsats777: Before you do that, please read about canvassing. Geoff | Who, me? 17:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oo kk Comsats777 (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Comsats777: Before you do that, please read about canvassing. Geoff | Who, me? 17:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, that's an account created to circumvent Wikipedia policy; in many cases it's a blocked editor who returns with a new account. User:Bbb23, you may have thoughts here--thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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Does this account seem suspicious? Their first edit is to an Indian caste article citing a caste-related discussion (not correctly as far as I can tell). Although unrelated, they also seem to have English issues, e.g., "for very first time the whole requitable thing is thats only one unreliable single sources are unreasonably embedded in order to interceded the but somehow it just delegating the WP:CASTEID without any original research on this instructive articulation". XabqEfdg (talk) 03:41, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know--what strikes you as suspicious? The convoluted syntax, or the awareness of WP:CASTE? Are they brand-new, do they sound like another editor, are they taking up where a (blocked) editor left off? Are there similarities in style or syntax with other editors? It's kind of like a detective story sometimes. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- I am not involved in the area so I can't tell if their editing patterns match another user. I should have added more detail: their 41 edits seem to be largely moves, deletion nominations, or edits to their user page. As soon as they had made 10 edits (nine of which were to their user and user talk pages) and their account had existed for four days, they began to edit Phor (name), a semiprotected page, and perform moves. This does not strike me as a normal editing pattern for a new user, and I recall that caste articles can attract sockpuppets, but I may be incorrect. XabqEfdg (talk) 03:59, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Aha--the autoconfirmed trick. Well, it may well be that you are dealing with a returning editor, yes. BTW every article can attract socks but caste articles are indeed somewhat notorious, and also notoriously outside my expertise. Well, the next thing you do then is look through the article histories of the things they're editing. As for the moves--I'll have a quick look. I don't like brand new editors just moving stuff around. Drmies (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will look through the article histories. I think should find something since this (somewhat garbled) edit [1] introduces "additional citation(s) needed" tags. XabqEfdg (talk) 04:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- It could be User:Scholararegreat/User:Truthfindervert (SPI) (similarly nonsensical edit summaries), but I can't see the deleted content of Phor (name). XabqEfdg (talk) 04:25, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well done--seems like a match. zzuuzz might could confirm. Drmies (talk) 13:12, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- That's Truthfindervert. Such a verbose individual. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:10, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- I know! The kind of person that says "I always made As" after you give them their first C- on an English paper. Drmies (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- That's Truthfindervert. Such a verbose individual. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:10, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well done--seems like a match. zzuuzz might could confirm. Drmies (talk) 13:12, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- It could be User:Scholararegreat/User:Truthfindervert (SPI) (similarly nonsensical edit summaries), but I can't see the deleted content of Phor (name). XabqEfdg (talk) 04:25, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will look through the article histories. I think should find something since this (somewhat garbled) edit [1] introduces "additional citation(s) needed" tags. XabqEfdg (talk) 04:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Aha--the autoconfirmed trick. Well, it may well be that you are dealing with a returning editor, yes. BTW every article can attract socks but caste articles are indeed somewhat notorious, and also notoriously outside my expertise. Well, the next thing you do then is look through the article histories of the things they're editing. As for the moves--I'll have a quick look. I don't like brand new editors just moving stuff around. Drmies (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- I am not involved in the area so I can't tell if their editing patterns match another user. I should have added more detail: their 41 edits seem to be largely moves, deletion nominations, or edits to their user page. As soon as they had made 10 edits (nine of which were to their user and user talk pages) and their account had existed for four days, they began to edit Phor (name), a semiprotected page, and perform moves. This does not strike me as a normal editing pattern for a new user, and I recall that caste articles can attract sockpuppets, but I may be incorrect. XabqEfdg (talk) 03:59, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Daniel Case, you CU-blocked 2409:40D6:105:2C18:3C85:5B09:BC19:CE8C, and that IP interacts with the abovementioned editor--see the barely comprehensible nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bedia (caste), and the IP's equally incomprehensible comments. Drmies (talk) 04:11, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- OK. I'm coming off a very busy weekend where I didn't have much time to look at/into things (And that wasn't a CU block as I don't have that tool). Is my input still sought? Daniel Case (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, I know, but I see now that you adapted a block from Spicy three times. The log lists you because you kept the previous block settings. Either way, I figured you might know something that I didn't, but in the meantime Zzuuzz confirmed who the master is. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
XabqEfdg, look in the history of Phor (name), and where Tamzin reverted? So an earlier editor, User:Aj indiana, who is blocked as a sock account, was screwing around in there. That was three years ago and their edit summaries are not idiotic, but who knows. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
For what it's worth, having seen both Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tibrewal and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bedia (caste) I think that we can do without this in toto. Edit summaries like that of Special:Diff/1280366616 and talk page statements lie Special:Diff/1280378116 are rubbing it in our faces, aren't they? Uncle G (talk) 12:32, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that the current user is begging for a block is clear, and I'm on it. But until I saw that AfD I thought we might do this as an exercise, rather than as an immediate block for NOTHERE. Drmies (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Quilts!
No more making Doktoro stare at xyr socks, people! There are now quilts at Zellwood, Florida — quilts that the EPA no longer speaks of. Quilts that I still have to check a University of Nebraska Press book for, if I can find it. Quilts that need redirects.
Uncle G (talk) 07:54, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
Needs TPA revoked ASAP. E6400 (talk) 02:40, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- And this nuked. Jfire (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Can a guy watch TV sometimes? Thanks: others took care of it. User:E6400, I hope you will take to heart what I wrote on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Watching telly is apparently what led to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Addite Malik, Doktoro, which is a whole ball of confusion. So you might want to be careful of this habit. ☺
I suggest that you brush up on your Dutch instead and visit Kuckuckskind (AfD discussion) and 155 West Washington Boulevard (AfD discussion). We have tried and failed to get some nice calming furniture for you, and have some badly interwikied Dutch as a consolation.
Uncle G (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- What could I find that User:Mrfoogles hasn't found yet? Drmies (talk) 13:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Furniture, Doktoro. And Dutch words.
It's not proper Dutch, by the way, but I found some Gallifreyan and Kenyan professors being poorly named at Engsh (AfD discussion) today, although they aren't quite English professors, as Engsh itself isn't quite English. However, the big news for today is at #Sweetcorn!.
Uncle G (talk) 15:21, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm it's not quite English--in fact it's an AUYL! Drmies (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- I can see how writing about luaus has the allure of youth cred, Doktoro, more so than checking a dead person's name off Project:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Artists, even if that would help towards your sweetcorn badge. Never say that we don't help you in your continual quest for youth cred.
In fact, we should get the lurkers to suggest your very own youth language, Doktoro, to go alongside all of the moustaches. Doktoro's Wikipedia (English) Recombined Polyglot has the handy acronym DWERP. What do you think, lurkers?
- I can see how writing about luaus has the allure of youth cred, Doktoro, more so than checking a dead person's name off Project:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Artists, even if that would help towards your sweetcorn badge. Never say that we don't help you in your continual quest for youth cred.
- Hmm it's not quite English--in fact it's an AUYL! Drmies (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Furniture, Doktoro. And Dutch words.
- What could I find that User:Mrfoogles hasn't found yet? Drmies (talk) 13:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Watching telly is apparently what led to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Addite Malik, Doktoro, which is a whole ball of confusion. So you might want to be careful of this habit. ☺
- Can a guy watch TV sometimes? Thanks: others took care of it. User:E6400, I hope you will take to heart what I wrote on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
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Reverted changes and threats due to Jacob Elordi page
Why were my changes reverted, even when I was simply adding new information? On my talk page and conversation with OhnoitsJamie, I was told that despite our disagreements, I could still add new information. There are even typos that I fixed, which have been reverted back. Librasunco (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- I just answered that on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for trying to reason with them, but the accusations continue and now they've filed an ANI. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:45, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
Possible sockpuppet
@Bubba6t3411 is a possible sockpuppet of @Archiepo. They edit the same articles and have the same editing style DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 17:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you removed a significant amount of content from Sebastian's page, and I don't understand why. Just because it might not seem highly notable does not mean it should be excluded. Additionally, the information about his personal life is not speculation; it has been confirmed by his rep or by himself.
I would also like to note that just because the information comes from primary sources does not mean it is not notable or that the source itself is bad. Yes, secondary sources are far more preferable, but primary sources are not inherently bad, unreliable, or whatever. Lililolol (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
- Also, there is a discussion about his relationship on the talk page, and there is an initial agreement to add Annabelle Wallis. I brought up the topic of other relationships, asking whether we should add them or not. Until we reach a consensus, please don’t remove them. You’re also welcome to comment. Lililolol (talk) 19:42, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Lililolol:, per policy the WP:ONUS is on you, the person looking to restore the disputed content, to get consensus for its inclusion prior to restoring it. Wikipedia isn't Who's Dated Who.-- Ponyobons mots 19:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
Jimmy Keene
Reaching out because you made some changes to the Jimmy Keene article back in January 2024, including the removal of irrelevant award details for the miniseries based on one of his books.[2]
I've attempted to remove these again ([3]) and performed some clean-up on the article, but the changes are being reverted by Joseph M31. I've posted a 3RR warning to their talk page, but their only contribution to the discussion so far is a screed accusing me of vandalism.[4]. At one point this user also removed the COI tag you inserted.
As I've mentioned at the talk page, the entire editing history is suspicious. The majority of editors are single-purpose accounts.
I'm uncertain as to how to proceed here. I'm in danger of breaking 3RR myself, if I haven't already. There's probably sockpuppetry involved, but I doubt SPI would be interested since most of the other editors haven't been active for a while. Any suggestions? Barry Wom (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Barry Wom, you seem to be very overzealous in your desire to cause harm and vandalism to this person's page.
- You have no right to assume things as you have and put unfounded COI's on other editors for no reason, again an overzealous action against Wikipedia rules.
- Mr. Keene's page was doing fine till you got a biased itch to vandalize this persons Wikipedia page. The awards are not irrelevant, they were all won directly as a result and because of Mr. Keene, even the names of the awards wins and nominations are in Keene's name example best lead actor as Jimmy Keene, best supporting actor as Big Jim Keene, best limited series awards to all Executive Producers which Keene was lead Executive Producer, ect. ect. that is a great accomplishment in life.
- You may see it as screed writing but that is sometimes the only way to get a point across to Wikipedia Page vandals. It does not matter if you think its suspicious not everyone else does, again it is your biased nature towards this person that causes your unfounded suspicions. You already broke the 3RR rule first which caused a return effect.
- My suggestion, just leave the man's Wikipedia Page alone and stop causing vandalizing harm to it. The page is just fine, and all information was accurate and correct, factual and cited, till you came along and vandalized it for no reason.
- Let's call it a day and stop bickering and just leave something that was not broken alone. Joseph M31 (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Barry Wom, I'm calling it a day and I am blocking the editor from editing that article directly: please edit the article as you see fit--you have a lot of experience, I see, editing Wikipedia. Joseph M31, your edits have been reverted by at least three different editors, and C.Fred asked you years ago to disclose a COI--you haven't done so. You also accused User:Glane23 of harassment and vandalism--if you continue with such accusations, you may find yourself blocked altogether. For now, you may seek the talk page. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Drimes, I see that you partially blocked me for no reason, and you told this Barry Wom to edit Mr. Keene's page as he sees fit. Does that include intentional slander and defamation? Now this Barry Wom is intentionally making up lies and disinformation and as I said early on vandalizing and slandering this man's Wikipedia page, trying to damage his good name and reputation.
- This Barry Wom has now gone to extreme measures to write a slandering disinformation article, and it is definitely intentional slander and defamation. Mr. Keene is not an ex-convict, Mr. Keene was completely cleared of everything and record expunged, so you cannot be an ex-convict. The only way you are an ex-convict is if you do the sentence imposed to term, and your record is not cleared.
- Mr. Keene did a great deed for society and stopped a deranged child molester serial killer from ever being able to kill anyone else's young daughters and he should be respected for that and not be being slandered with disinformation and lies by the Barry Wom.
- Drimes you have to do something to stop this person he is out of control, Barry Wom is the problem here no one else. Barry wom is obsessive and intentionally trying to damage and slander this mans cleared good name and redeemed record and life. Joseph M31 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Since Joseph M31 was blocked from editing the Jimmy Keene article yesterday, suspected sockpuppets have been restoring his edits. I've raised a case at SPI [5]. Barry Wom (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Joeseph was not blocked, only partially because you Barry started a disinformation campaign of lies. Lawyers will be getting involved. Keene was completely cleared of everything that means no ex-anything. That is the point of being cleared of everything. There are no sockpuppets. The only one who is the problem is you, Barry! Joseph M31 (talk) 13:11, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- SPI closed; no relation between the suspected accounts. Barry Wom (talk) 13:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Barry Wom, I'm calling it a day and I am blocking the editor from editing that article directly: please edit the article as you see fit--you have a lot of experience, I see, editing Wikipedia. Joseph M31, your edits have been reverted by at least three different editors, and C.Fred asked you years ago to disclose a COI--you haven't done so. You also accused User:Glane23 of harassment and vandalism--if you continue with such accusations, you may find yourself blocked altogether. For now, you may seek the talk page. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) User:Joseph M31, I suggest you step back from all these personal attacks aimed at User:Barry Wom, someone guilty of merely disagreeing with you. You seem to think that personalizing the debate is a satisfactory substitute for discussing on the merits. Perhaps that works in pro wrestling... That you've chosen to act badly on an admin's talk page is so incredibly... inadvisable. In the future, make your arguments on the merits ONLY; casting WP:Aspersions is likely to get your account quickly blocked. You should <s>strike through</s> all your insults above before any passing admin decides to consequence you further. BusterD (talk) 12:56, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- The merits are clear, but not when Barry is spreading lies and disinformation! Barry is not just disagreeing is spreading false lies. The man was completely cleared of everything and has no record that is the point of your record being expunged. The law is very clear on this. Do you think if your record is clear, and you go to a job interview you are still an ex-convict? By law you are not, so why spread false lies on a public forum. Joseph M31 (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I asked you nicely a few days ago Barry, to end this bickering. I ask again. There is no need to be slandering this man. Stop with the ex-convict stuff, this man earned the title of clear and free man. I would appreciate it. Thank you Joseph M31 (talk) 13:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've blocked Joseph M31 for making legal threats above ("Lawyers will be getting involved.") BusterD (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- BusterD, thank you so much for stepping in! Drmies (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've never used the legal threat block template before, so every day a new experience! BusterD (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's not a very common one, but when it happens it's pretty much indisputable to everyone except the blocked person. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've never used the legal threat block template before, so every day a new experience! BusterD (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- BusterD, thank you so much for stepping in! Drmies (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've blocked Joseph M31 for making legal threats above ("Lawyers will be getting involved.") BusterD (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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User: Bozoclown2024
Hi, I was wondering if you could check and see if this account[6] is yet another sock puppet of Dpugh500/Dpugh520/Samurai30001? The account was made a few months after you banned the last one and like those accounts this user is obsessed with putting up DOBs for voice actresses(even when there's evidence that it's incorrect) using poor sources such as the ones made in these edits.[7][8] Kcj5062 (talk) 09:05, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- No, I can't check anything anymore (and the other accounts are pretty old by now), but I can still block. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:14, 23 March 2025 (UTC)