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Vandalism part 35

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Serge's 35th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Serge, there's an IP-changing anonymous editor (in the 2600- range) who keeps about The Veilguard (see talk history), Intergalatic: The Heretic Prophet (see talk history, also pinging Rhain) and Yasuke (see talk history). Occasionally they edit the articles too and those are quickly reverted. I have closed several discussions now, but they are refusing to see the point. What's the best course of action here? They seem to be refusing to get the point and unnecessary discussions and remarks continue. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Protected the pages. Let me know if they're similarly disruptive elsewhere. Sergecross73 msg me 00:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll keep you updated if their actions continue. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Up to 335 total edits, 72,5% of which is just constantly reverting themselves. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot to look into this. Very weird. I'll say something. Sergecross73 msg me 21:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've warned them to stop, and it appears they're following it for the time being, though their mainspace edits do approach some of the same problems, I don't think its enough to take further action against for now. Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mm, likewise! And thank you for acting so quickly!--AlexandraIDV 00:17, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sergecross73:, To be more precise, VenFlyer98 continually interrupts the Pittsburgh Int'l Airport page and has a long history of doing this. In this case, it was previously listed and properly referenced that Frontier Airlines has seasonal service to Philadelphia and Atlanta. Also, Breeze Airways service to Ft. Meyers is not seasonal. For some odd reason VenFlyer98 keeps undoing this factually correct data. Locking the page with currently incorrect data does no one any good. We'd all be served better if VenFlyer98 gets a bit of a ban himself.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:546:200:1387:C4F:B66A:F389:1DFC (talk • contribs)
You don't need to "ping" me on my own talk page. If you wish to report an editor, please look through the WP:PAGEHISTORY and provide WP:DIFs to prove your point. Otherwise, take the discussion to the article talk page so you can discuss with other editors who edit the page and build a WP:CONSENSUS on how to proceed. Sergecross73 msg me 21:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate it. I should've stopped the reverting sooner to avoid edit warring myself. The IP keeps adding unsourced information and now as you can see wants me blocked for this. I am simply reverting edits that do not include sources and I've pointed the user to WP:RS and WP:V before on their talk page. I will try to talk to the editor to avoid further conflicts. Thanks again! VenFlyer98 (talk) 21:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the forth time, the data that you keep undoing had already been sourced. Again, check reference 123 and 127. It only takes 10 seconds of research. And yes, you really should be blocked for your nonstop trolling of the PIT page. 2601:546:200:1387:C4F:B66A:F389:1DFC (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need to calm down and discuss constructively. Stop with all this "trolling" stuff and just discuss the issue...'on the article talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 22:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm perfectly calm, thanks. I've discussed the issue ad nauseum with him or her, it's really not a complicated issue. I haven't "added" any information to the page, just reverted previously contributed and sourced data by other users that VenFlyer98 keeps undoing repeatedly without cause. If that's not trolling then I don't know what is. 2601:546:200:1387:C4F:B66A:F389:1DFC (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure doesn't read that way. And it appears that you're choosing to ignore most of my instructions, so I don't see much of a reason to continue this conversation. Sergecross73 msg me 02:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, I feel bad coming to you about this, and I want to assume good faith, but Misunderstandin00's behavior on Talk:Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds is really starting to come off as WP:NOTHERE. The battlegrounding, the accusations, the refusal to compromise, none of it seems like the behavior of someone actually looking to edit collaboratively. (This edit certainly doesn't inspire confidence either. EDIT: This one even less so...) With consensus more or less sorted between every other participant in the discussion, and secondary sources now in place to support the current phrasing, I do have concerns that they're going to immediately start trying to restore their changes as soon as they think they can get away with it. Could you please give them a proper warning? I'm hoping the words of an admin will be enough to get them to chill out a little. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:26, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's still going. I don't like saying this, but between the misinterpretations of other users' words (including trying to drag you back into things), purposefully ignoring secondary source policies, and treating the whole thing as something to be "won", this is starting to come off as a WP:COMPETENT issue. I genuinely think this is coming from a place of misunderstanding, not malice, and I want them to learn from their mistakes so they can be a better editor, but their stubbornness and treatment of others is becoming an impediment, and I'm having serious doubts as to whether they're willing to work collaboratively. I unfortunately think a firmer hand might be needed. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I have zero issues with you asking for input on all this, I've just had a particularly busy 24 hours or so and haven't been able to keep up. I'll try to mediate but I'm not sure what the point of contention is anymore...Sergecross73 msg me 23:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The primary issue is that I have three cited sources from VG/RS saying the game will launch with 23 characters. They are disputing this, claiming that secondary sources don't count because the primary source says both "23 characters at launch" and "over 23 characters" (not specifying whether that means launch or not). Since they believe primary sources take precedent over secondary sources, they claim this should be removed. (They also have a bad habit of speaking for other people, misreading others' statements in a way that supports their position, being rude to other editors, and generally treating the whole thing as something to be won. It does not inspire confidence in their ability to function as a regular editor going forward.) -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I mostly didn't want to have to ask you for help on this because I know from our past conversations how busy you are these days and don't like relying on your help anyway since I feel like our past collaborative work together on the cancelled game lists would make it look like I'm "telling on you to my admin friend" or whatever. But end of the day, I'm just one guy, and there's not much I can do when dealing with a new editor who has a serious issue with acknowledging they might be going about things the wrong way. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No no, it's fine. I don't mind at all. As I tell people in general, I'm always happy to help, I only have a problem when people repeatedly give me grief when I dont intervene/help in the same way that they request, which you've never done. (Only a couple people ever have.) And for the record, I'm not generally as busy as I was talking about back mid-2024. Just a random busy day or two here. Sergecross73 msg me 23:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Appreciate that. Sadly, I no longer believe this isn't malicious. I don't think they're capable of acknowledging they're in the wrong, and a topic ban might be warranted at the bare minimum. It's not something I enjoy suggesting, but trying to gaslight someone like this is not acceptable behavior by any stretch. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just chiming in here to say that I think I generally agree with Cyberlink that MissUnderstandin may need to be sanctioned for their behavior, or at least given a firm warning. As I expressed to them on the CrossWorlds talk page, it was extremely frustrating to see them more or less put words in my mouth in spite of my efforts to reach an understanding, and after seeing them do this several times, I feel I'm at the end of my rope with them. I don't feel I'd go so far as to say they're acting in bad faith; they strike me as someone immature and hotheaded, rather than malicious, but nonetheless, I similarly anticipate that they will try to enact their preferred edits in spite of any consensus to the contrary, once they feel confident that they've exhausted the both of us into submission. It's worth noting however that at the time I'm writing this, it's been a few hours since they edited, so it might be best to just wait until they edit again before doing anything. silviaASH (inquire within) 05:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you both on some parts - their style of discussion is frustrating - far too aggressive, particularly for the simple topic of "number of characters in a Sonic game. I dont believe they're NOTHERE though. I'll try talking to them more. If anything, there seems to largely be a consensus on how to handle this, so hopefully that alone will help tame things down a bit. Sergecross73 msg me 18:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It at least seems like it stopped now, but stuff like this and this makes me doubt their ability to positively contribute to the wiki going forward. They simply don't seem to be willing to acknowledge any interpretation of things but their own, or even the possibility they might be in the wrong. If they're really done messing with the CrossWorlds mage, I'm content to just sigh and move on, but I definitely think a close eye needs to be kept on their activity going forward; if they continue to mistreat other editors and ignore basic wiki policy, it might be better to just send the case straight to ANI. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 04:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll keep an eye on them, feel free to report future issues too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Serge, hope today's good. A new user, Chance997, has been exhibiting a string of problematic behaviors. He was initially blocked for a week for persistently overlinking common terms on Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (film) in spite of being reached out to for comment. After his block expired, he continued the overlinking behavior on other articles (albeit while staying shy of 3RR) and was warned about it, twice. He eventually did stop... overlinking, and has since shifted to creating many drafts about topics with often dubious or nonexistent sourcing, whose topics either already exist in mainspace or show no evidence of notability, and continuously resubmitting them with no acknowledgement of the issues raised when they are declined. One of these drafts, Draft:Spider-Man 4: Fan Film, was repeatedly declined and eventually rejected. He left a deletion request on it, but has recreated it in his userspace.
Additionally, he also has a sock, Chance29, which he has also used to make additional edits on his drafts. In spite of being warned about all these issues several times by both myself and Barry Wom, he has continuously blanked his talk page while rarely responding with any sign that he understands the problems ([1], [2], [3], [4]), the use of his sock has continued since being warned yesterday, and his editing in general shows a WP:RADAR pattern. While I believe he is acting in good faith, he is undoubtedly being difficult and continuing to show an unwillingness to communicate even after his block. Another block to force communication might be warranted. silviaASH (inquire within) 18:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked the invalid second account, and left them a final warning about a number of things on their main account's talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 19:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Unfortunately it's not even been five minutes and they've already blanked your warning, so... I guess we'll see. silviaASH (inquire within) 19:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Not promising, but technically acceptable. We'll keep an eye on it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Elfman

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Hi Serge. There appears to be some conflict over at the Danny Elfman page, specifically regarding the sexual harassment allegations around him. There's already been a long-standing edit war on that page over whether or not the allegations belong there, with the section often being removed by anonymous IPs, only to be restored. The section was removed again recently, supposedly due to WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS, then when a shorter version was submitted, it was reverted due to an unexplained "copyright issue" with Entertainment Weekly. There was some discussion on his talk page about possibly starting an RFC on this, which I'm not sure how to do. Would love you to weigh in there. Thanks.—The Keymaster (talk) 08:38, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Yeah, these sorts of things are always touchy and contentious. I'd recommend taking it to WP:BLPN. I can chime in once you've got it outlined there, but I think it could be good to get more eyes on this one. Sergecross73 msg me 15:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice! I have now posted this thread over at WP:BLPN. I've never done one of these before, so hopefully I did that right.—The Keymaster (talk) 03:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked in, and it looks like things are coming along and there's been a consensus developed? Sergecross73 msg me 16:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of List of cancelled PC games

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Hello Sergecross73,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged List of cancelled PC games for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want List of cancelled PC games to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up, but that's fine, that was the desired effect. Sergecross73 msg me 15:56, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic user

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Hello Sergecross! I'm here to report another problematic user on the article about singer Chris Brown. This one user seems to like hiding the singer's well documented controversies on his article. For example 1, 2, 3. He was caught also inflating his sales, and changing the occupation of Brown's ex girlfriend to `OnlyFanser`. I think he must be stopped from making that article a piece of puffery 109.113.55.182 (talk) 10:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you report someone you should notify them, instead of putting the responsibility on the owner of the talk page. But anyways, Sergecross73 the IP above is a sock of Giubbotto non ortodosso, who has vandalized and introduced puffery and unsourced claims on various Chris Brown related articles with their socks. It's a well known issue on those articles and I've already addressed their report in detail on the talk page of another user ToBeFree. Isjadd773 (talk) 15:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're the one making the article look like puffery, removing reported controversies about Chris Brown with misleading edit summaries, the edits speak for themselves. I'm not the one trying to fanboy that page, you are 109.113.55.182 (talk) 15:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently a talk page discussion on the Chris Brown article about the "False Accusation" subheading you introduced into the controversies and legal issues section with your banned sock DollysOnMyMind. The heading implies that a rape lawsuit which was dropped on procedural grounds of lack of prosecution (a detail which DollysOnMyMind also removed from the section) was a false accusation. It's misleading in the extreme and something only a fanboy who is trying to portray a more positive image of an individual and clean up their controversies/allegations would do. It's ironic you choose to report me to an admin who indefinitely banned your sock Morce Library for issues concerning vandalism, puffery, unsourced claims and altering quotes on Chris Brown articles. Isjadd773 (talk) 15:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have not added those. Please correct these issues if you recognise them as problematic to the articles neutrality 109.113.55.182 (talk) 15:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're telling me that you knew about non neutral vandal issues on the article, and you refused to correct them because they put Chris brown under a more positive light?
You just proved my point. You are purposefully sugar coding the article 109.113.55.182 (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote @Sergecross73: because he previously recognized problems with your editing approach on Chris Brown, blocking you from editing 109.113.55.182 (talk) 15:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage editors to come directly to me on issues I'm knowledgeable about, so its fine that they came here. That said, while music is one of the areas I'm active in, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Chris Brown, and I know that article is already constant a mess with POV pushing on his various outside-of-music-troubles.

With content disputes, its probably best to discuss on the talk page, try to get related WP:WIKIPROJECTs involved, or take it to various areas that can help. (Potentially WP:BLPN or WP:DRV.)

As far accusations of sockpuppetry and block evasion, you'd want to take that WP:SPI. Sergecross73 msg me 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't get WP:WIKIPROJECTs involved because I'm an anonymous editor, and he can't take that WP:SPI because he's obviously trolling 109.113.55.182 (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those things are true - anyone can start up WikiProject discussions or open an SPI. Please don't give bad advice like that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It might be worth taking the case to WP:ANI, but I can't I'm anonymous. But who cares, I wanted to report this troll, but if trolling It's fine for administrators, I guess AI will eat wikipedia sooner than we think. Bless 109.113.55.182 (talk) 17:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody said its fine, I'm saying do your own work in creating a case. All you're both doing is throwing around vague accusations and name-calling. I can't take action on that sort of stuff. Waste less time on griping and witty comebacks and put together something constructive at the proper venue. Sergecross73 msg me 17:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:List of cancelled PC games

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Hi Serge! While not my draft I've added sources to Draft:List of cancelled PC games and even added new entries. Not sure if enough to move to mainspace though. Timur9008 (talk) 10:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend doing a review of the sources first to make sure they truly source the entries. The main issue was the complete lack of sources for entries, but that's not all. In many I've spot-checked, I've noticed the the (temporarily blocked) creator often wrote lengthy entries that weren't nearly reflected in the source(s) provided. Like he'd write a paragraph about the game but the source given only verified that it was announced, not any of the reasons for cancellation. Sergecross73 msg me 14:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of canned games, i noticed you're starting with the 3DO list. I recommend taking a look a this page: Unreleased 3DO games. The person who runs it list every game he has searched so far and even with sources! Roberth Martinez (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that, I appreciate it. That'll be a good resource for ideas and leads on sources. Yes, I hope to work on the 3DO list next, though I've suddenly gotten very busy off-wiki so I'm not sure when I'll really start digging in. (Its my fault, I jinxed myself when I told another editor that I was no longer as busy as I was in mid-2024.) My goal is to work on it soon though, as I believe I'll probably get pretty involved in editing Nintendo Switch 2 stuff once that info blowout finally happens. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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