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Iran and Israel continue to launch missiles at each other after the surprise Israeli attack yesterday. Israel targeted Iran's Ministry of Defence headquarters while Iran retaliated by launching missiles at Tel Aviv and Haifa. (AP)
At least six Israelis are killed and over 200 are injured after the latest Iranian barrage on Bat Yam. (The Times of Israel)
At least 100 people are killed, including many who were burned to death, hundreds of others are injured, and dozens are still missing, in an attack by unidentified gunmen in Guma, Benue State, Nigeria. (Star Tribune)(AP)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former borough president of Staten Island. Needs a good bit of prose and referencing work. Will see if I can get to it if no one does in the next few days. ~ TailsWx02:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: These protests are the biggest so far against the Trump administration and are also occurring in several countries around the world. Millions participated, and pretty much every big city in the country has a demonstration going on. Sorry for nominating this too early, I didn't mean to cause such outrage. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 01:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment Pinging @Kingsif, @BSMRD, @Masem, @Hungry403, @MtPenguinMonster, @Chrisclear, who opposed my earlier nomination,nNow that the protests have happened. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Major event which is garnering widespread international coverage. The 14th protests are much larger in scale than the prior Los Angeles anti-ICE protests. One sign that a protest movement is noteworthy enough for ITN is when it extends beyond a particular city or even a particular country, and becomes an international event. This is true here: significant "No Kings" anti-Trump marches occurred and received coverage outside of the United States, taking place across Canada, in London (UK), in Paris, in Mexico City, in Amsterdam, in Brussels, I could go on. As well as being the largest nationwide protest in the Trump presidency so far, it has had impacts across the world. FlipandFlopped㋡04:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not convinced that this was more significant than the anti-ICE protests or other Trump news such as the latest flip-flop about agricultural workers. And the "No Kings" slogan doesn't work in the UK where it was King Charles' official birthday. Anyway, the article has multiple orange cleanup tags... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In general, the international coverage is rather meagre, even at the national level, since the press is logically more focused on events in the Middle East. In any case, the figure of ‘millions’ in the RS I have read and in the article itself is ‘expected’ and not confirmed, so the extent of the protests is not yet clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It was a major event that happened in over 2,000 cities in the US and even in other countries, so I think it warrants a mention considering the size and impact. I would maybe alter the blurb to mention that it coincided with the U.S. Army 250th Anniversary Parade, since that was another large newsworthy event with substantial coverage. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 10:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I’m gonna have to oppose on notability. While coordinating protests of this breadth is impressive, the protests themselves, based on news reports, were largely simple gatherings that occurred and then ended. There was some violence from people who opposed the protests, but I also don’t think any of those incidents rises to ITN notability, either. We cannot and should not post every planned political gathering just for happening - we waited to see if this would have wider impact or something unplanned and newsworthy occurred in conjunction, and it didn’t - not even when it’s about Trump. Kingsif (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The Israeli attack which this man was killed in already has a blurb, and several other Iranian officials with articles have already been nominated. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb doesn't mention these deaths so the point is moot. There's no manner of death disambiguation at RD nominations. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose for now unless this story develops further. Yes, it's a targeted assassination, but at the end of the day this is sub-national domestic politics with only two high-profile victims and one living to tell the tale. Departure– (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
EF5 I'd be happy to consider a well written article about a political assassination of another similar politician in another country where such events are rare. We can only consider what is nominated. 331dot (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Be real, ITN wouldn’t. If two Afghani politicians were murdered by the US, it probably wouldn’t even make the news. EF518:47, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a case of a foreign power assassinating someone.(and if the US assassinated the leader of the current Afghan regime it would likely be posted) Again, we can only consider what is nominated- so it's difficult to accuse us of bias until you have actual evidence of that. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rep. Melissa Hortman was the speaker of the MN House and DFL Caucus leader, and she served for 20 years in state legislature, she should be recognized because at this moment it looks like a very clear political violence, in opposition to the No Kings protest Louieclem (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose don't really think it's a big enough event to qualify for a blurb, it's tragic but not internationally significant. I think a RD is appropriate enough. AFlamingIcicle (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Political assassinations are rare in the US at any level of government. Though the target was two state legislators, there is a national connection as the motivation seems related to anti-Trump protests occurring across the US today(which have been canceled in Minnesota due to these events, because the shooter is at large). This isn't a "subnational politics" issue like an election, and we post subnational events all the time. The BBC is covering it. 331dot (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've proposed a simpler blurb, also noting she was Speaker of the Minnesota House, not just an ordinary legislator. 331dot (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It may have been 15 minutes after it happened, but now the Guardian's lead is the Israeli assassination of Ali Shamkhani and El Pais is Spanish politics (this ranks 6th). Let's see what's in tomorrow's papers, rather than what is essentially a news ticker. Nfitz (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest close, at least temporarily. I don't think it's productive to have a RD nom up for Hortman while also debating a blurb mostly focused on her death. We should be having one discussion or another, not both. This is not to minimize Hoffman's shooting, but I think in a situation where two politicians are shot and one is killed, the politician being killed is a much bigger piece of news than another being shot. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I was hesitant at first, but per 331dot and DMartin's arguments above, it's clear that this isn't a subnational news story even if it's a subnational event. Definitely not just local news. I'm also becoming more supportive of blurbing now that the discovery of the perpetrator's manifesto/kill list all but confirms this was a politically motivated assassination and not just some random act of violence. No matter how common ordinary gun violence may be in the US, successful political assassinations like this just aren't common by any means. Vanilla Wizard 💙18:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Vanilla Wizard. Not routine, not business as usual for the US, receiving international coverage, and likely to be a historically significant act of political violence despite the superficially limited scope, as is often the case with political violence. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 18:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A local murder isn't ITN. Ali Shamkhani also died today, and I don't see any blurb nomination for him, despite USA complicity in his assassination. No prejudice on reopening if the murderer kills a governor - which is about the only local position I see hitting the ITN level. If anything, this should be an RD blurb. Nfitz (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, there are actually currently four RD nominations about Iranian high officials killed, and the main story about the attack on Iran is a posted blurb. Yakikaki (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would support - and did support - specifically naming Shamkhani and Salami in the Iran blurb for the same reason I support this one. They are two important political leaders who were assassinated in a country where such assassinations are not common. A WP:OTHERSTUFF argument especially does not work when there are many who support both this and the other example you are complaining about. FlipandFlopped㋡04:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support not just another piece of gun violence in the US, extremely rare event that has received international coverage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. We don't typically post crimes against subnational political figures. Local and provincial politicians are sadly a frequent target of violence. The only reason this is getting so much notice is because it's in the United States. If this turns into a broad terrorist plot with multiple participants, I might be open to reconsideration. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This meets every aspect of WP:ITNPURPOSE. This was a planned attack with a fake police cruiser complete with plates and lights and impersonating a police officer, more than one person was targeted. She was the Speaker, in leadership, not an ordinary legislator. This has worldwide coverage. Willing to consider other similar events from other countries where assassinations are rare events. We can only consider what is nominated, and more posting are a good thing, not bad. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not going to swear to it, but I don't recall anything being posted. Right now, we don't even know if this was a some kind of broad plot or a lone nutjob with a gun. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The arguments against so far have been absurd and biased (and rife with whataboutisms). This is by all means notable. Assassinations like these are NOT commonplace in the US and conflating them with "gun violence" borders on bad faith. -DannyC55 (Talk) 20:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was an exaggeration (I am not accusing anyone of anything), I simply meant that it is unfair to lump any instance of gun violence in the US with all the run-of-the-mill gun crime that does plague the nation. It just seems almost knee-jerkingly ignoring context. Context matters in cases like this. -DannyC55 (Talk) 20:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb if a victim of the shooting are more emphasized Honestly, i would like to see Melissa Hortman more emphasized in the blurb instead of shootings article because she is far notable to be victim of shooting in Minnesota. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support with caveat - I would ideally like to see the blurb include that the assassination (and attempted one) occurred during the early morning of the day the No Kings protest events were scheduled for, even though I probably don't support posting that by itself. That said, I can't think of a concise enough way (that I like) to include that in any of the proposed hooks at this time so I don't want to hold this up any further pending that. Maybe something like Minnesota legislator Melissa Hortman is assassinated at her home, and State Senator John Hoffman is injured, during the early morning hours before No Kings protests take place across the United States. but that's too long imo. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me!20:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst I agree that the timings of these events are highly suggestive of a motivation, to say so in wikivoice, especially on the front page, would probably breach WP:SYN. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that opposition to this idea, though I disagree that it's synth to point out the temporal coincidence with protests. It's looking like the protests themselves may actually warrant an ITN post as the day goes on, even though they're mostly peaceful. My goal was mainly to not have them as separate items if the protests end up getting posted too. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me!21:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not just a local representative, Alsoriano97, but the Speaker of the subnational House. Is the Speaker of a sub-national house with decades of high-level political leadership less notable as an individual than a national opposition backbencher? Not simple to answer - depth of international coverage and the rarity of the event are better than oversimplifying based on level of government; we have both those criteria here. FlipandFlopped㋡04:41, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support but do not leave out the second shooting. Events are not unconnected to each other or other things we are seeing in the world. All part of the plan. Hyperbolick (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the former speaker of the Minnesota House has been shot. If this was, say, a sitting U.S. senator or representative it would be posted in no time, and while I get this is statewide level, it’s still a party leader. 24.228.247.138 (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt 2 You could say all you want that this is just another murder, but not only is this somewhat high profile, "just another murder" is so careless. May she rest in peace 24.77.127.72 (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb, i.e. do not leave out the second shooting. This is an unusual event which is getting widespread international coverage. I strongly prefer the original blurb because a large part of the story is the "plot" to kill multiple legislators and the subsequent manhunt after a series of assassination attempts occurred. Without that additional context, the story gets boiled down to "This representative from Minnesota got shot". No, half the notability comes from the overarching plan which spanned multiple shootings. FlipandFlopped㋡03:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This seems quite significant. The level of interest in the various articles can be seen in the top read stats for yesterday. Hortman and Hoffman were #1 and #2 while 2025 Minnesota lawmaker shootings was #7. So, our readers were looking for all these topics in large numbers and so they all merit links in the blurb, as in the current primary proposal. The No Kings protests were at #36 and so seem of lesser interest while their connection seems uncertain and that's the only one of these articles with any orange cleanup tags. So, the protest article should be kept separate. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle as we've generally posted in the past. Quality isn't there yet though, it needs a write up of the match, aftermath if available, and a few more refs here and there. — Amakuru (talk) 16:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality per Moraljaya and Amakuru. Willing to support on notability, but article is currently incomplete with empty subsections. FlipandFlopped㋡04:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former President of Nicaragua. Needs an update with her death (I’ll go add the reference now), but otherwise(ETA: now updated.) The article is in excellent shape (it’s a GA). Innisfree987 (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC) Innisfree987 (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in great condition but I added a cn tag and there is no mention of her term ending and handing over power to Alemán. First elected female president in the Americas makes me think about proposing a possible blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Violeta Chamorro's death should be featured, she was the first elected female president of the Americas, on top of being Nicaragua's 55th president. This has been an underreported event in today's busy day of news so featuring it could shine light in underrepresented corners of the world.Greeniceking (talk) 03:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: Important national figure. Being the first (elected) female president in an entire continent (if you count both Americas as a single continent) is a pretty big achievement if you ask me. HOPPIO[talk]10:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: U.S. state representative, who was shot and killed at her home this morning. Article seems long enough and well cited, although we may still need sourcing for her birth date. ForsythiaJo (talk) 15:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, curious about blurb. This was the targeted assassination of a political leader alongside the attempted assassination of another. I'm not sure if it's enough to qualify, because within an American context it's a major escalation, but I'm Minnesotan and don't believe myself neutral enough. Birthdate is currently sourced, but could put a better source if that's an issue for others. ~Malvoliox(talk | contribs)15:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb if politically motivated assassination. The Guardian is also just mentioning that a state senator was shot as well? If so, we should blurb the whole incident. Khuft (talk) 15:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Article quality is adequate with decent referencing. Oppose blurb for now. We don't generally post crime involving subnational political figures. Open to reconsideration if this turns into a major terrorist incident. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD If there are major political consequences stemming from the shootings, then blurb. There's a nonzero chance that this simply gets lost in the news cycle due to short attention span of American media. Bremps...15:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD on quality, open to making 2025 Minnesota lawmaker shootings a blurb if there's sufficient support, but agree that it will depend on how much attention the news gives it. I'm biased towards supporting that blurb as a former Minnesotan who's very upset by this, but I also recognize we wouldn't be as likely to consider posting if this were a subnational politician in another country. Vanilla Wizard 💙16:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD and maybe even a blurb. This was an assassination of a MN state representative as well as the shooting of a state Senator, both of them from the DFL party. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 16:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb subnational politician, subnational tragic incident. Awaiting news of the injured senator's progress and any serious consequences this shooting may cause. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Political assassinations are very rare in the US at any level of government. It was also part of a wider attack where another state politician was shot. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say "gun violence". I said "political assassinations". Giffords was not killed and that was in 2011. As I said, very rare. 331dot (talk) 17:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gun violence in the US is common, but the successful assassination of sitting politicians is not. The article you linked to was an event from 2011 where the target survived. Vanilla Wizard 💙17:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb The combined blurb nomination seems more sensible. Running this as an ordinary RD without any context would be quite misleading. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:06, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Her article seems fine to me. Not too sure on whether the blurb is necessary or not, though. (+ I nominated her page too and didn't notice that it was already nominated. Sorry.) HOPPIO[talk]10:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose regretfully as typhoons affecting the Philippines and Vietnam are a frequent occurrence, and this one was thankfully one of the less deadly ones. For comparison, the 2024 Pacific typhoon season had 9 typhoons that were deadlier than this one, 8 of which affected the Philippines. Vanilla Wizard 💙17:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot tell, are you making a point or is this an actual !vote?
In any event, I weakly oppose not because of the casualty count or region, but simply because I don't see evidence of widespread, international coverage (i.e. non-regional, would need to see newspapers or RS outside of southeast Asia). If that was presented to me, I would consider supporting. FlipandFlopped㋡04:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: These protests are the biggest so far against the Trump administration and are also occurring in several countries around the world. Millions are expected to participate, and pretty much every big city in the country has a demonstration going on. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 03:20, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait I believe we did post the George Floyd protests, but (besides planned protests not generally being as impactful as spontaneous crowd-driven riots) can we please wait until things actually happen to decide if they're worth nominating. Kingsif (talk) 04:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Premature Nom This will probably be a Support in twelve hours, but considering it's the middle of the night in the States these haven't actually happened yet. As is, the article doesn't have anything to say yet beyond "this is a thing that is going to happen". Wait until it's actually in the news to put it up on ITN. BSMRD (talk) 04:11, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Way too early, we really need to see what the combined effect of these protests (including the actual number, not a guess) as well as the military parade, result in to see if it makes sense for ITN, what the quality of the articles are, and so forth. Masem (t) 04:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait or Close Far too early, we must see the results of these protests (government response, turnout, injuries, etc.) before posting them to ITN. I do believe that they will be significant, and in 18 hours I'll support this nom. Article is also pretty short right now. Hungry403 (talk) 06:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Is there any specific rule about premature nominations, or is it largely a free-for-all, with no sanctions for people nominating things that haven't yet occurred? Chrisclear (talk) 07:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Exiled crown prince Reza Pahlavi, the son of Iran's last Shah, writes in Farsi calling for the Iranian military to abandon the Islamic Republic and accuses Supreme LeaderAyatollah Ali Khamenei of forcing Iranians into the war. He also refers to the war as "Khamenei's war and the Islamic Republic's war". (Jerusalem Post)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Israel is conducting a campaign against Iranian military officials and nuclear scientists; we already link to the article about this campaign in the ITN box so I don't think it's necessary to list each deceased Iranian official separately. 331dot (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, if this man died of cancer we would list him, but because he was killed in an attack we already blurbed (but where we never mentioned his name) we don't list him? starship.paint (talk / cont)14:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RD is RD, not "a list of people killed by Israel". The exact means of death is not relevant to my point; many people with articles dying due to the same, immediate event is an unusual situation. We already have this event in ITN. 331dot (talk) 14:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who dies in a blurbed event, unless explicitly mentioned in the blurb, is eligible for RD. That is why Vijay Rupani is currently on RD despite his death event being blurbed. Curbon7 (talk) 21:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The current blurb is short enough to add ", killing IRGC leaders () and () and nuclear scientists () and ()." Or alternatively, given that Salami's death here is probably the most significant, have his name there and then RD the others. When we've had multiple notable people die from the same event, we typically only included perhaps the most significant one or two in the blurb (like with that plane crash carrying a assc. football team some time back). Masem (t) 03:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support for altblurb For me, posting both blurb and RD with same subject (Hossein Salami) isn't really necessary given that this person is still related to June 2025 Israeli strikes on Iran but far more notable than others. I suggest that there exist a single merged blurb and RD, which mean a blurb to be posted about Israeli strike but more emphasize about him. 114.10.75.52 (talk) 05:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question It is unclear how RD handles these events in which several notable but generally minor people die. Are they all eligible for RD nomination? If the Smolensk air disaster occurred today, would all ~80 people with articles who died (list) be eligible? Curbon7 (talk) 07:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is pretty clear, nothing stops us from posting an RD as long as basic article criteria is met. We post as soon as that happens and consensus is gained, the previous entries then roll-off. Gotitbro (talk) 09:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb is in the goldilocks zone in terms of size and information, so I think adding names would be too much. Article seems to be of sufficient quality. Any WP-notable person who dies in a blurbed event but is not mentioned in the blurb should still be eligible for an RD (see the Vijay Rupani nomination below). Curbon7 (talk) 22:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support the blurb is unlikely to change especially given the number of high-profile deaths resulting from the strikes, this is now ready for RD regardless. @Admins willing to post ITN: please note that the admin decision on this will impact at least 4 other RD nominations. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
This will obvious be a posted story, but lets please wait to at least get an extent of the damage and death toll (if any) before rushing to post. That might take several hours. Masem (t) 01:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait an hour or two per Masem. Ugh, here we go again. TheKip(contribs)
Wait Rapidly developing story, need to wait and for the article to stabilize (definitely more than some hours). Another nuclear crisis within a month, the last one was pulled due to how hastily it was posted (with major issues at the target article), should not do the same here. Gotitbro (talk) 01:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The situation is evolving rapidly but the article is of adequate length and quality for posting. The proposed blurb works and can be modified if warranted. People will be coming to Wikipedia looking for information on this. On which note; good job to everybody working on the article. I am impressed by the speed with which they got it together. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:30, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"People will be coming to WP looking for this information." Then they are coming to the wrong place. The networks have all gone to full coverage of this, all major news sites have this as leading info. We can spend the few hours to wait for the information to stabilize out so that we can be a supplement, not a replacement, for the news. Masem (t) 03:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, ITN is not a news ticker, and we've been burned on posting entries too fast recently in terms of quality issues. I don't think anyone is going to oppose this on importance, but here we should wait for a good confirmation of details before we rush to push. Masem (t) 02:41, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. We summarize reliable sources, and because this story is still developing quickly, we cannot yet have a reasonable stable summary of it yet. Probably in a few hours we will. Masem (t) 03:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt it'll be the only story - the Air India crash is also dominating news bulletins and will probably continue to do so over the weekend. – numbermaniac15:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Let's give the Israelis the time to finish the operation and the Iranians a moment to assess the damages. Else, we're reporting incomplete information. Bremps...02:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Almost certain to be notable enough to post, but I'd prefer if enough time passed for it to be possible to know the extent, effects, and aftermath of the strikes: how much damage was done, how many casualties were there, what does Iran do in response, etc. I'm sure a little more information will become available over the next 6-12 hours. Vanilla Wizard 💙03:53, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support amending to altblurb once article stabilized The article actually looks pretty decent now, but I agree with Vanilla Wizard and Masem that letting the article stabilize is a good idea. I disagree with an exact death toll being a prerequisite - that is going to be extremely hard to estimate, will be hotly contested (Israel and Iran will disagree), and will inevitably end up being amended after it is posted. Instead, I support something resembling the alt - killing Hossein Salami is major; he ranked even higher than Qasem Soleimani, whose death we blurbed. FlipandFlopped㋡04:23, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I saw the entry in ITN and read the article and it seemed ok to me. I now see that it has been pulled because of an orange tag. But that seems to relate to POV issues about the historical background going back to the time of the Shah. That doesn't seem very relevant to coverage of the current incident and the resolution seems likely to be truncation of the background. That dispute shouldn't get in the way of our coverage of the main story. Perhaps the tagger, Vanilla Wizard, can tell us how this is likely to play out. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Before I added the orange tag on the article, there were already at least 3 separate talk page sections expressing concerns about the Background section, two about due weight concerns, and one about POV concerns. There seems to be at least a few contributors in favor of just deleting that section entirely, at least until a new one can be written with only details made notable by sources published about the event. Right now, the background section is just a rapidly mutating coatrack full of irrelevant information with serious POV issues. I'm hoping editors will come to an agreement on what to do about it soon so it can be posted, but I can't predict how long that would take. Vanilla Wizard 💙05:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. What I notice now is that there seems to be little understanding of the fact that this article is covered by WP:ARBPIA and so is subject to 1RR and other restrictions. Tricky... Andrew🐉(talk) 06:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not obvious that it is covered by PIA, as Arab countries haven't had any direct involvement in the conflict. From what I understand, it is only related to Iran's nuclear program rather than its Arab proxies. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The background section has now been removed along with its tags. But a {{pov}} tag was added to the International reaction section. There's no discussion for that and the summary doesn't make it clear what the issue is. I'd be inclined to ignore such noise but don't want to revert as I'm saving my 1RR. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The second pov tag has gone now but we now have a sourcing tag on a section which lists target locations. It's a moving target... Andrew🐉(talk) 14:21, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article's lede doesn't mention "cities", it says "nuclear facilities, military installations, and the residences of senior officials". The blurb should have simililar wording. Vpab15 (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well I guess someone who added that CTOP notice considered a broadly construed definition of the Arab-Israeli sanctions which is justified and something I would agree with. My reply was primarily pertaining to the fact that whether this conflict actually falls under the Arab–Israeli conflict label/topic, it doesn't. Gotitbro (talk) 11:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot Just my interpretation, but I've generally taken ARBPIA as broadly construed to cover basically anything having to do with Israel in a political and military sense, even beyond things solely relating to Arabs. TheKip(contribs)18:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major notable event with major media coverage; people will look for information on it in Wikipedia. Noon (talk) 16:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've done work to revamp much of the background section. All sources dating to before 12 June 2025 have been removed. New background content has been added, all of which the sources wrote or updated after the attacks. starship.paint (talk / cont)14:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Starship.paint: An orange tag still remains in the table of locations hit. Unless someone reliable has published a similar list, I might suggest removing it until someone can cobble together the variety of sources needed for something like that. Ed[talk][OMT]16:01, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, obviously, and I think we can just run this now. Yes, updates continue to come in, but the article looks good, and even as things stand, this event is notable. I'd be favorable to the original blurb - I'm not sure specifically mentioning Salami over every other noteworthy person killed is appropriate. The big news here is the military escalation. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that was the right move. I had ignored that section because it seemed kinda odd, and figured it would probably just end up being removed. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, obviously. This is the story. If anything else happens, that might be another story. Although whether there'll be any of us left to tell it is another question. —Fortuna, imperatrix17:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein I'd suggest specifying "senior military leadership" in the blurb - "senior leadership" in general can also imply civilian government officials, which doesn't seem to have happened (so far). TheKip(contribs)18:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment re: blurb Per BBC, Iranian media now reports 78 civilian deaths, including children, and that numerous residential areas were struck in Tehran. For now, that number of civilians killed is only an initial report from Iranian state TV as opposed to an official government statement. However, as more information comes to light about the ratio of civilians killed to military killed, there could be cause for concern about the wording of the current blurb. I can see an argument that simplifying it down to an attack against the nuclear program and senior military leadership is not WP:NPOV, given that that description perfectly aligns with the Israeli position while being the opposite of the Iranian position .FlipandFlopped㋡19:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Flipandflopped From the next sentence in the article after Iranian media reporting 78 civilian deaths: This is an unofficial figure and has not been independently verified.WP:PRESSTV, WP:HISPANTV, and WP:TASNIMNEWSAGENCY also establish a consensus that Iranian state-owned media is generally not reliable.
I'm not saying civilians didn't die, they almost certainly did, but we're in no rush to update/modify the blurb when RSes haven't independently confirmed the reports. It's not endorsing the Israeli position to state that the strikes targeted the nuclear program and military leadership when that's what RSes have confirmed thus far. TheKip(contribs)20:01, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For sure. To clarify, I certainly agree that it isn't reliable - I myself am the one who proposed the altblurb. However, needing to keep an eye on emerging casualty counts of this sort comes with the territory when we rush to post blurbs while missiles are still being exchanged. If or when we have independent confirmation of that high a number of civilian casualties, in my mind it would become a WP:NPOV issue if the blurb continues to frame it as a targeted attack. If there's no independent verification but that number becomes official per the Iranian regime, I am not as sure, but I could see a case for reducing the blurb back down to the "Israel strikes Iran" language for the sake of NPOV. FlipandFlopped㋡20:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We can whittle down the language to simply say Iran, but that may also tone down the gravity of the situation that is portrayed when you specify that the attack is on nuclear sites. On the corollary our current blurb suggests an engagement in an ongoing military confrontation when that is also not the case. Though I would still prefer the whittling down as we should now also be adding the retaliatory Iranian strikes. Gotitbro (talk) 04:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update The blurb currently reads "Israel launches multiple airstrikes against Iran's nuclear program and senior military leadership". This seems inadequate because the range of targets also included military installations such as missile sites and air defences and the strikes have continued on both sides with Iran using missiles and drones against Israel and Israel making further attacks. The NYT reports that "Attacks flew in both directions as Israel said its campaign would continue for days, if not longer, and Iran said its response was not over." So, we should indicate that operations are continuing and link to June 2025 Iranian strikes on Israel to cover both sides. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We definitely need an update for the Iranian strikes, and as othere have reasoned above need to remove the minutae of Israeli targets. Gotitbro (talk) 09:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eight Palestinian GHF workers are killed and several others are injured after their bus was attacked en route to an aid distribution site in southern Gaza. The GHF says that Hamas was responsible. (The New York Times)(Reuters)
Police fire tear gas at demonstrators gathered in Nairobi, Kenya, to protest against the police and its chief, Eliud Lagat, after blogger Albert Ojwang is confirmed to be killed in custody by the police force, demanding Lagat's resignation. (DW)
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Is there any precedent in policy to specifically exclude victims of mass casualty events covered on main page from RD even if the blurb does not mention them? Tube·of·Light15:13, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is an RD nomination, never a blurb nomination. I don't think we've ever avoided posting an RD just because someone died in an event that was blurbed. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls?16:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if we've not posted a victim of an event when the event is blurbed or not. He's definitely not notable enough to be tacked on to the blurb though. If there is support for posting as a RD, then fine. Mjroots (talk) 17:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only Not really notable enough to posted it as blurb because it was already merged with Air India 171 blurb. But, given that he is more notable than other victims, i agree to post it as RD. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am not sure what has trigerred the talk of a blurb because I don't see any mention of it in the nom. For RD we only need an article of which this is a long existing one. Neither is a blurb barring us from posting RD related to it (precedent even tells otherwise, we posted to RD those killed in the Potomac crash just this year). Gotitbro (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and see initial reports suggest that it will likely meet WP:ITNSIGNIF, but until more details and sourcing about the crash and impact are known, it would be premature to post this. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This is the first major hull loss of the 787 and it's already a serious accident. Seems like it's already a significant event to be included here. Hacked (Talk|Contribs)
Oh well. Though to be fair we nearly got to two hours there and a partially complete article, as opposed to the 45 minutes and unsourced sections for Brian Wilson yesterday. Black Kite (talk)12:22, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that, but he apparently walked out of the wreckage. And this, again, is why we need to stop posting stuff so quickly. Any relative of that survivor that clicked on our article earlier would have assumed he was dead. Black Kite (talk)17:03, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very possibly, but again, this is a top 10 website and our article said "it was confirmed" that all 242 had died. People make mistakes, but this is, again, why we shouldn't be splattering disasters all over the Main Page a few hours after they've happened. Black Kite (talk)18:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And again, wait. For all we know, there may well be an unconscious plane survivor in a hospital. It was only because the first one was conscious that we knew about him. Black Kite (talk)17:30, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that several ppl on the ground also died from this, it would be inappropriate to focus on the sole surviving passenger. Masem (t) 18:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The image caption should indicate that the photograph is of the aircraft involved, not a generic Air India 787. JDiala (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Gaza Health Ministry reports that the official death toll of Palestinians killed in the war since October 2023 has reached 55,000 people, with over 127,000 people wounded. (AP)
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Oppose Several unsourced paragraphs and I'm also worried about promotional wording here. The sourcing issues are clearly apparent if you read the Career section. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was fully sourced when the other two supported. An editor removed a bunch of the citations because they were "unnecessary and redundant", which I've raised to the talk page here. No disrespect to that editor of course, but it seems like a lot of those changes were done with that string of edits. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR the page is a work in progress. After volunteering hours in this editorial undertaking, on this date, with the understanding that the issue noted here was references... I did not "erase" any references. However, the "referenced notes that I did omit were notes references that were used up to 12 times. the same link used on more than one occasion. ... I believe the recorded minutes should reflect that fact. So, the body of the article was never really properly referenced initially ... I am responsible for trying to fix that , if that makes sense. On that note, please take a moment to review the number of credible references that I have provided since I began participating in the article Ananda Lewis. HumanWritesBook (talk) 01:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HumanWritesBook: Articles are allowed to cite the same source multiple times. Removing those repeat citations actually makes the article worse, not better. Also, I understand that this is a work-in-progress, but it shouldn't go on the Main Page until that process is complete. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Support blurb Article was missing the death details when I nominated this at same time, but easy to fix. Rest of article appears to be on great shape and here is a case where there is a very clear section written to support how he was a major figure in music, so a blurb seems absolutely appropriate. Masem (t) 17:04, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and support blurb Probably the easiest blurb in existence music wise. Of course, issues will need fixed, but it’s hard not say Brian Wilson wasn’t influential not only for pop music, but culture, art, and even mental health (and abuse of someone in their state) awareness. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on notability per Masem; would only post once the article has stabilized a little bit though, given the breaking nature of the death. FlipandFlopped㋡17:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot really articulate why in words, but I am not a fan of this image... it has a little bit of an "uncanny valley" feeling to it. I would prefer one of the images that are currently in his article (either the lede photo, or if one of him younger is desirable, then the 1964 photo). FlipandFlopped㋡17:39, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In the panicked rush to post a blurb in 45 minutes, we just posted an article with an unsourced discography and filmography. We don't do that. Any reason why I shouldn't pull this? Black Kite (talk)18:23, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, half my comment got ate. Yes, the filmography hpuld be sourced though some of those works are biographical/documentaries around the band or Wilson and are also self evidence. But several are not, though this probably could be fixed in a hour at most, compared to what we usually see in biographical articles. Masem (t) 18:56, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A blurb with an entire unsourced section is an exceptional case, though. An editor has started citing the filmography so there's probably no point in pulling it now. We seriously need consistency, really. Black Kite (talk)19:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tomorrow's FA is Mariah Carey. That has three sections without sources – Discography, Filmography and Tours. That is clearly not a problem for TFA. If ITN invented a stronger standard then that would be inconsistent with general policy. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we are to do an RFC, it should be aligned between ITN, FA/GA, and BLP, among others, as what the expectation is for lists of works, when sourcing is required, when we can rely on blue links, etc. It needs to be handled consistently across the project. Masem (t) 20:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As he who started the talk page discussion mentioned above, I agree with the need for an RFC. This recurring debate demonstrates it is both a genuine ambiguity meriting clarification and that not all of the community is on the same page about referencing works/appearances. FlipandFlopped㋡00:13, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re: unsourced discography: I randomly sampled it, and it seems the works are mentioned and sourced in the prose. It'd be convenient for readers if the sources were repeated, but one might argue it is minimally demonstrated to be verifiable. —Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting comment once again the imprudence of being carried away by the ‘breaking news’ and putting the notability before the quality of the article is committed. Not bad, but there are two sections with unsourced content. There was no hurry and we don't learn from mistakes. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:51, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did miss the unsourced sections when I scanned through earlier, but that said, the amount of effort to get those sections sourced (if needed) is far less work compared to the type of biographical articles with dozens upon dozens of unsourced works with several in obscure media. It should have been fixed before posting, yes, but it's being fixed now if not done already. We definitely dont want to post articles where the level of missing sources would require multiple editors or multiple dates to fix, but that really isn't the case here. Masem (t) 20:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retroactive Oppose blurb, although this one hurts because I love Brian and the beach boys, but I've gotta stick to my principles here. An elderly person dying is not news, he had been publicy unwell for ages. –DMartin04:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support because the suggestion that the "Discography" section (a list of 12 albums by him, each with their own Wikipedia article; and thoroughly expanded upon in the sourced sub-article Brian Wilson discography, and supported by at least two of the external links) needs inline footnotes is thoroughly misguided. 217.180.228.155 (talk) 01:12, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm struck by the similarities between Wilson and Sly Stone. Both were talented and influential US musicians whose career was limited by drugs and a chaotic life. They both found fame with a group but failed to become a solo superstar. As they were big over 50 years ago I was expecting their readership to be limited. The views so far seem comparable. Wilson's spike is bigger but not yet over a million. He's Level 5 vital while Stone isn't. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:30, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Orbitalbuzzsaw was not saying only politicians are famous, but that (in addition to their other briefly written points) one reason a death may be posted as a blurb is when it forces a major global change, which will not happen in this case, so this potential reason for a blurb is not met. Kingsif (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(post-posting) Oppose blurb Non-notable manner of death so this would have to come down to Wilson's importance. You know I don't like arguing for/against such, it's not a nice way of looking at a person's death in the immediate aftermath. But. While Wilson can be credited in large part with California sound, and there's no doubt the Beach Boys were popular and influential, this is ultimately just one guy from just one popular band. California sound and yacht rock are great, but not particularly large sub-genres of pop, at least not since the 60s, so IMO that doesn't add so much more weight to his legacy when compared to his bandmates. So even with the once-again broader standards ITN has been having for death blurbs, I feel like Wilson is not a level above his peers (which I'd define as any member of a band from 50+ years ago that were popular enough we still remember them) to warrant a blurb. Kingsif (talk) 22:27, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to get into a argument about this but I just have to respond. It's not just about the California sound, Wilson's achievements in composition and the recording studio are the basis for practically all of modern pop music. If he is not notable than you could also then reasonably argue Paul McCartney isn't notable either, and at that point you may as well say no modern musician is notable. Rhino131 (talk) 16:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also add though that I don't thing importance or significance should even factor into blurbs though because it only leads to pointless and unhelpful discussions like this. A RD should be good enough for anyone, unless this is extra information regarding the death (like changing head of state, notable accident) that would require a blurb to communicate. Rhino131 (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As noted, this latter point is my general view. The RD line exists so we can feature the bios people may be looking for - and the more famous someone is, the less likely they need a blurb for visibility. The RD line’s presumed notability means avoiding all this debate. If the death itself is a news story, let its newsworthiness be discussed. Now to why I’m replying, which I likewise feel I very much have to:
I maintain that Wilson did not transcend his peers - of which McCartney was one - which is not to disparage him but to see his successes align with the successes those around him had, too, which were many. Among those peers, one could easily argue McCartney, however, does transcend most or all of the others. Both can be true, unless your first reply is trying to say that since McCartney is a generational musician, all other musicians of his generation have to be considered just as remarkable. This is a dangerous argument: we could extrapolate then that within every group of people famous for similar things, if one is outstanding then they all have to be given that reverence - and ultimately that everyone warrants a blurb because someone in their field was top of it. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Welcome to ITN! Your nomination looks fine. However, I will vote oppose as his conviction does not change anything on the ground (he is effectively serving life in California) and because the verdict isn't as explosive as when he was first convicted (that sparked the Weinstein effect, this is more so a normal trial). Bremps...02:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Insufficient depth of coverage; what did he accomplish in his role as a delegate? The article talks more time about his DUI and casino ban than what he did as a politician (outside of a list of his positions). SpencerT•C02:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Unsual event, I would not call this "very local" at all and the impact of the riots has been very widely written about in UK media. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: German painter, sculptor, op artist, and installation artist, famous for his nail reliefs. Grimes209:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Oklahoman meteorologist. Saved thousands of lives during his reporting of the 1999 Oklahoma tornado outbreak and other events. RIP to a legend. The article needs a ton of referencing work however; I'll get to it soon if no one picks up on it. ~ TailsWx03:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: There's an article for the president, and another for the judicial case itself. I'm not sure which one should be bolded. And should the blurb focus on the sentence or the reason? Trying to do both may make it a bit too long. Cambalachero (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Technically, I believe the six year sentence was handed down years ago (in 2022): see NYT article from December 6, 2022. This recent development is not the sentencing itself, but the failure of her appeal both on the conviction and the sentence before the Argentinian Supreme Court, who upheld the lower court ruling - thus cementing the six-year sentence already delved out. She also likely will not serve time in jail (per NYT: 2), as she will benefit from an Argentinian law that allows house arrest for those over 70 who are convicted of a non-violent crime. I am still undecided on the ultimate notability of the Supreme Court decision, but would oppose blurb in its current form as somewhat misleading. FlipandFlopped㋡04:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is precisely now the right moment because the sentence has become final after the appeals, so that the prison sentence (or house arrest) is ready to be carried out immediately in accordance with what the judges and the prosecutor's office have already requested. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:35, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This may be the case, but the blurb should be modified to reflect that, as it is currently quite misleading. She was not just recently sentenced - she was sentenced in 2022 - nor will she serve six years in jail by law. The blurb should reflect that this was a ruling on an appeal, as well as that there will be no jail time. Something along the lines of "The Supreme Court of Argentina upholds the conviction on corruption charges of Former Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (pictured) and finalizes her sentence, including six years house arrest and a lifetime prohibition on running for office". I've added this as Alt2. FlipandFlopped㋡14:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Striving for shortness is no excuse to post an objectively incorrect blurb. Again, she was not recently sentenced and she will not spend six years in jail. She lost her appeal of the conviction, and will be subjected to house arrest. FlipandFlopped㋡17:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that house arrest is not granted automatically. A judge must receive and consider the request, and grant it or not. So far, that has not happened. The media crystal ball says it will likely do, but we're not there yet. As of now, the standing sentence is six years in jail, with jail meaning jail. Cambalachero (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the biggest news is not the jail time, but being banned from running for office. She's basically a female left-wing Donald Trump of South America, so this news is nothing less than a political earthquake. Cambalachero (talk) 13:05, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment slightly amended nomination as we can bold both the individual and the case articles, we don't have to necessarily choose between them. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the CFK article has orange-tagged sections that should be revised in case it is the bolded article that is also wanted and the article on the corruption case I think it lacks updating. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:37, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Firstly, this isn't really news now, it was news in 2022, and indeed the same story was proposed then - [2] - but it seems like it failed due to a combination of aging out and because the article wasn't really up to scratch and had an orange tag. Secondly, on that note, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner still has tags, for a lack of update on the legal issue (not to mention that there are lots of missing cites there), as well as a neutrality concern on the "Image" section. Overall, even though the original story was several years ago, I still don't think there's a case for posting this now as a second bite of the cherry. — Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"This was posted before" is a good reason to oppose, "This was proposed before", not so much. Circumstances are not the same now and in 2022. Cambalachero (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No change in the status quo. In addition sourcing problems and the infrastructure case article leaves much to be desired for a scenario involving a world leader (compare to Operation Car Wash) Masem (t) 17:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No change in the status quo? She was banned from running for office again. In fact, she had announced that she would run in the upcoming elections in the Buenos Aires Province, which this sentence has now prevented, so the "changes in the status quo" are quite tangible. And if there are problems with the article about the case, please state actionable ones: "much to be desired" is not really helpful. Cambalachero (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. Not "Just an appeal", but the final one, the one that makes the sentence actually enforceable. Previous sentences did not change much because of the appeals, now there are actual and tangible consequences. This is in no way similar to 2022 (and it was not posted back then anyway). Cambalachero (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Support Ideally the article length should be a bit longer. But I think it meets our customary standards in terms of article quality, if barely. I am presuming it will expand as more details become available. The event itself is shocking for Europe where gun crime is rare. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A convoy of 300 buses and cars departs from Tunis, Tunisia to Gaza to spotlight Israel's blockade on humanitarian aid. The group, organized independently, includes 7,000 lawyers, medical professionals and activists from North Africa. (Euronews)(The Jerusalem Post)
The Indian Coast Guard rescues 18 crew members from a Singaporean-flagged container ship after it catches fire following an explosion 144 km (89 mi) off the coast of Kerala, India. Search operations are underway for the missing four crew members. (DW)
Two police cars and multiple properties are damaged in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, with 15 police officers being injured and one rioter arrested amid riots which broke out after two Romanian teenagers were charged for the attempted rape of a teenage girl. (BBC News)
A court in Prague, Czech Republic, sentences a Colombian national to eight years in prison over a 2024 arson attack on public buses and for planning another similar attack. Czech prime minister Petr Fiala says the arson attack is part of Russia's hybrid war against his country. (AP)
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Comment Sly Stone may be worth a blurb, having created and led one of the first mixed race bands to ever hit it big and many bands have since followed in that path. And with songs that are classics, He's a pretty well known name. And musical influence also exists from what came after with funk, and the early origins of rap. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's potential but I think fixing the numerous missing sources needs to be a higher priority. After that, bolstering the Legacy section with more reasons why he was considered a major figure in progressive rock/funk (pulling from obits would help) would help to make supporting a blurb more defensible. Masem (t) 00:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and Blurb Sly is the most influential R&B/soul ('funk,' as some people call it) act after maybe James Brown in the entire history of recorded music. He had 4 number one Hot 100 singles and his songs are known worldwide even by literal children. Miles Davis would never have gone electric without his music, creating what we know as jazz fusion. Michael Jackson and Prince simply would not have existed, and neither would all modern pop music as a result. Disco, post-disco, post-punk, house music (and all electronic dance music), boogie, new jack swing, P-Funk, G-Funk, neo-soul, and arguably all hip hop as we know it would never have happened without Sly Stone. His band was revolutionary in breaking the color (and gender) barrier and the article goes in depth about his sheer impact. It would be a blight on Wikipedia not to blurb him, assuming that the article is updated to be in good condition. 108.147.206.21 (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because the sourcing sucks. I've fixed some of it, but this is a poorly written and sourced article. I don't have the time to resscue it. It's unfortunate that this article was not of better quality when he died. He is very noteworthy, but the article doesn't do him justice.– Abebenjoe (talk) 07:15, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Tragic, but the death toll is substantially low. The fact that it's the deadliest in a decade doesn't directly imply ITN-worthiness. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Israel seizes and detains members of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla
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"Intercepts" implies some sort of precise military action. I don't think the flotilla was hiding. HiLo48 (talk)
Oppose for now For now, I think this is covered by ongoing and an additional blurb would be undue coverage, given we otherwise decline to post so many events related to the Gaza war on this basis. However, I am open to changing my vote if the scale of the controversy amplifies (if, for example, Greta Thunberg is criminally charged in Israel and detained, as opposed to being released back to Sweden). FlipandFlopped㋡06:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing and I doubt it is particularly noticeable beyond the propaganda made by those who are part of the flotilla. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that Greta Thunberg was one of the top read articles yesterday with about a third of a million views (more than the Tony Awards or Sly Stone, who was my starting point). The freedom flotilla article was also in the list but not so prominent as I suppose its title is not so easy to find. So, the topic has definitely been noticed and ITN can help with the navigation. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew, nobody here cares about page view stats and nobody ever has. Quite frankly, it’s embarrassing that you continue to ignore that and plow straight ahead. TheKip(contribs)14:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is exactly one vote besides your own in that discussion that explicitly says page views are a legitimate/valid criteria for ITN, rather than simply opposing the addition because it's unnecessary. TheKip(contribs)16:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I count at least three. The Ed17 said "Viewership is a core component of WP:ITNPURPOSE ..."; Levivich said "Of course the TOP25 are major news items..."; Banedon said "...it is still a reason to support". Others opposed any restriction.
Support The repeated claims above that this is covered by Ongoing are mistaken. Ongoing lists Gaza war but that doesn't seem to even mention the freedom flotilla, Greta Thunberg or the latest incident. The timeline has an entry for it but we're strangely not listing the timeline now -- see discussion below. So, with no timeline for this interminable war, we have to report such incidents as blurbs. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As in the past, for an ongoing with a long history and numerous subpages, we don't expect the main entry to be updated daily as long as the appropriate subpages are, which is the case for the timeline. Otherwise, some of those other ongoings would be removed.
And in terms of overall importance to make this separate from the ongoing, this wasn't like ship bring aid under the orders of a national gov't (The story would be far different if, for example, IDF captured an aid ship authorized by the US gov't). This was just civilians (including Greta) taking it on themselves to try to deliver aid despite knowing the blockaid around Gaza. Masem (t) 12:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a subpage of the ongoing entry. To get from the Ongoing entry to the flotilla, you have to locate a navigation template, expand it, find the timeline link, dig down through the tree of timelines and then find the right date within the relevant timeline. This is only feasible if you already know the details and structure -- the casual reader isn't doing all that deep diving when browsing. And the reader who is looking for the topic specifically is going to Google it. So, the point is that this is a specific event that is in the news and ITN's Ongoing is not a practical way of finding it.
As for the flotilla, there seems to be a long history of these going back nearly 20 years. Insofar as they are a type of NGO, that's not a factor. Gaza itself is not a national government but we still cover it.
Frankly, I still wouldn't post it if it wasn't in Ongoing. It simply isn't that impactful or important, it's just a standard naval blockade. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - protests about the war have been happening since day one. This is all ongoing. Some have already been deported. Nfitz (talk) 13:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The article is 70 bytes off from the size minimum. It's so close that I wouldn't oppose IAR posting, but it would help if you expanded the page. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We need information about what he did as mayor. (Though he did die shortly into his term, so maybe not much.) Bremps...16:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bremps There is currently almost nonexistent (I mean, beyond trivial) coverage about that on tr.wiki or on the Net, probably owing to the fact that he died just a year after his election into office. However his election into municipal mayoralty and death generated a lot of national coverage, which I couldn't keep up after initial translation. ahmetlii✉(Please ping me on a reply!)16:40, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least 12 Palestinians are killed and 29 others are injured by Israeli fire near two aid distribution sites in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military says they fired warning shots at people who had advanced toward its forces and ignored warnings to turn away but claimed they did not see any casualties. (CTV News)
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Nominator's comments: German heldentenor, who appeared in the world, as Tannhäuser at major opera houses. The article was a stub, expanded translating from de. Obit published 10 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian tenor, also transliterated Vladislav Horai, based in Odesa, who appeared internationally, killed in fighting when doing volontary relief work. The English sources focus on the death, - more details about the person would be great. New article as a translation from Ukrainian WP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Schwede66, sir, The HIndu gave the age and mentioned current Bharat Rashtra Samiti (BRS) MLA from Jubilee Hills, which is the constituency he is currently representing. Paid/subscribers can only see full article, so I gave two other reliable citations from News Minute and Telangana Today. Hope that helps! Davidindia (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Support article is sourced and has enough prose, have added an additional altblurb1 to potentially swap to after initial blurb. Altblurb pictureHappily888 (talk) 05:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose For now, they're just protests, violent ones, yes, but protests like those occurring in many places around the world. The National Guard's intervention doesn't directly make it ITN-worthy. When there's a real, long-term impact, we'll assess it. This isn't the place for "announcements," either. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose at this point. Calling them "riots" exasterbates the issue, they were small scale protests with a few flare ups and were considered relatively peaceful by LA officials. Unless this actual move to bring in troops creates more problems, it falls under NTRUMP. Masem (t) 12:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NTRUMP and we're not a news ticker. This may be in the headlines worldwide but it's not a mass fatality event and lasting impact doesn't seem likely as things stand. — Amakuru (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nom per above. We don't typically post domestic political issues/events and these protests are no where near the scale that would justify posting at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Trump being fidgety with law enforcement is not something that should decide ITN notability (TRUMPCRUFT etc.), but the protests actually might be noteworthy as a culmination of the mass deportations saga. Gotitbro (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: the conflict is still going on, the M23 still has a lot of territory claimed in the DRC and there are updates weekly: "from 26–31 May, 38 civilians—including women and children—were killed in Mutanda groupement under M23 control. At least 543 houses were burned by M23 rebels accusing residents of FDLR ties, while Wazalendo retaliated by torching homes in Butare village, alleging support for M23." –from the 'Timeline of the M23 campaign (2025)'-article Marpissum (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In addition to what Muboshgu has said, the main article is waaaaaaay too details for an encyclopedic summary of the event. It's written from a news perspective, and not breaking the events to something that at least can be readily followed. Masem (t) 16:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This was just discussed recently. Since then, it hasn't become more prominent in major news outlets. We can't feature all the currently ongoing conflicts or civil wars in Ongoing. Khuft (talk) 20:40, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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