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Ayyubiyeh Agriculture Department (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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"Ayyubiyeh Agriculture Department (Persian: گروه كشاورزي ايوبيه – Garaveh Keshāvarzī-ye Āyyūbīyeh) is a village"

I mean, the first sentence by itself tells you exactly the problem here: it clearly is not a village. It is patently some kind of farming establishment. It has a population of 28 logged in the 2006 Iranian census but according to the FA wiki article no population logged in 2011 and 2016, again pointing to it being a place where people were resident temporarily and not an actual community. Since the Iranian census counts people at locations that are not necessarily communities, but which can instead be e.g., places of business, this probably is not a surprise - by the way the Iranian census is far from the only one that does this and Iran is not the only country with this problem.

Carlossuarez46 created tens of thousands of articles like this one. On the day he created this article he created at least 267 others (some of the ones he created that day will since have been deleted and so won't show up in this search). Despite multiple clean ups over a period of five years, deleting in excess of 20k articles, we're still dealing with them. The biggest barrier to doing that is the assumption under WP:GEOLAND that places like this are notable just because they're mentioned as a single line-item in a long list of locations on some government document. FOARP (talk) 09:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shyam Metalics and Energy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IdeaForge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Chu Sports Park (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It's the fourth sports centre in Taichung. The sources on the page do not suggest notability. I am not seeing the coverage in reliable secondary sources which would suggest this is a notable place. JMWt (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kamalakanta Nayak (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:JOURNALIST. Subject works for Argus News, so the reference article mentioned is not independent of the subject. Online search results show coverage of another person, Kamalakanta, who is a para-athlete. Junbeesh (talk) 08:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Li Xuantong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Yu-seong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. This → [18] and this → [19] are lengthy articles about her and her twin sister (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Yu-jae).
    That's enough for me. But if you aren't satisfied, you can search like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=김유성+2009&tbm=nws. I've only looked at the very first page of results. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • CommentThis has originally been created as a WP:TOOSOON but the first article provided provides a good amount of info (the second seems to focus more on the sister) and as she is likely to enter senior events imminently I think it might be too hasty too delete the page so Draftify may be an option here unless more sources are found.Canary757 (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: Concur with Canary757 that while the first source appears to have some decent coverage there isn't nearly enough elsewhere for this subject to meet the guidelines. Per WP:YOUNGATH, athletes such as Yu-seong are only notable if "they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage." I don't think that is the case yet, but as it appears to be a likely possibility I think it makes the most sense to draftify for the time being. Let'srun (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammed Mahmudul Hassan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:NPOL. A civil servants with a non notable position at Dhaka North City Corporation TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Inner West Bulls (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to NBL1 East as I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV for this semi-pro basketball team. JTtheOG (talk) 06:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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New Jersey Transit Fairview Garage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to NJ Transit Bus Operations#Divisions, facilities, and operators. No indication of notability for this bus depot. The sources barely mention the subject and are thus not examples of in-depth coverage. Another option is to merge the info into a new article, as was suggested to the article creator here. JTtheOG (talk) 06:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ram Krishna Bantawa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV as per Safari ScribeEdits! Talk!. Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rahmatula786,
I hope this message finds you well.
Thank you for raising concerns about the article on Ram Krishna Bantawa. I firmly believe the article meets the requirements outlined in Wikipedia’s WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV guidelines. Below is an explanation supporting this assertion:
Notability as an Author (WP:NAUTHOR):
  • Ram Krishna Bantawa is a recognized author and lyricist in Nepali literature. He is known for his novel Saghan Tuwanlo (Shrill Mist) and novel Amalai Chithi (Letter to Mother-whose English translation is forthcoming.) His work has made a significant cultural impact, particularly within the Nepali community.
  • His lyrics and songs are available on platforms such as YouTube.
  • Saghan Tuwanlo is included in the curriculum of Tribhuvan University, highlighting its academic and cultural significance.His novels address meaningful societal issues such as women’s rights, untouchability, and Sati Pratha (the practice of widow immolation), further emphasizing his contributions to literature and social discourse.
Significant Coverage (WP:SIGCOV):
  • Independent and reliable media outlets, including Kantipur, Annapurna Post, and various Hong Kong-based Nepali newspapers, have provided coverage of Bantawa’s work. This demonstrates his influence in Nepali literature and music.
  • He has been featured in interviews and podcasts that delve into his life, literary contributions, and societal impact, providing further evidence of significant independent coverage.
  • Bantawa has received several awards and certificates from reputable organizations, including:Nepalese Literary Academy Hong Kong , Heavenly Path Hong Kong , Charu Sahitya Pratisthan , Hong Kong Nepalese Federation , Lyricist Association of Nepal
The article references independent and verifiable sources that discuss Ram Krishna Bantawa’s work in detail. Taken collectively, these factors satisfy the standards for inclusion in Wikipedia under WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV.
If additional information or sources are required to further support this assertion and enhance the article, I would be happy to assist.
Best regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 09:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel you know the person very well so you are aware of so many information. When i search on internet , I hardly find anything of significance covered in reputable media outlet about him .
regarding references, plz go through all the references, and let me know if a single source in reputable Nepali media from NPOV meeting WP criteria. If your have such sources plz put it here other than what you have kept in references. Plz note that sources in reference are not of significance. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Rahmatula786,
Thank you for your message. I want to clarify that I do not personally know the person. The information I’ve provided is based solely on my research.
I understand your concerns regarding the importance of meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria. Unfortunately, there is limited online information due to the lack of archived articles in Nepali media. However, I have collected pictures of old newspaper articles about the author, including coverage from Nepali Hong Kong newspapers during a book launch press meet.
I believe the article is written from a neutral point of view. While I cannot attach the offline sources here, I’d be happy to share them via email. Additionally, I can provide relevant YouTube(https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ram+Krishna+Bantawa) links of his Songs, Interviews. Please let me know how you’d like to proceed.
I look forward to your guidance and support, as I am currently gathering resources and information for my next article of Nepali Singer "Kuma Sagar" . Your insights will be invaluable in helping me refine my work. Please let me know how best to proceed.
Best Regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia's guidelines, contributors are discouraged from writing about individuals they personally know to maintain neutrality and avoid conflicts of interest. I can assure you that I have no personal connection with, nor do I know, the author.
In my case, I refrained from including details about the author's awards and certificates, as I was unsure about their accuracy and could not verify them through reliable sources all i had were photographs of certificates and some mentions in newspapers. However, I conducted thorough research and included information about the author's books, song lyrics, and album, as these are well-documented and publicly available.
I can provide you with ISBN of the books they were published through Sajha Publications and ASIA 2000 Ltd. Also you can search in youtube for his songs and interviews. I can additionally provide you with offline sources(Newspaper Articles, Magazines) relating to the author. Rasilshrestha (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - there appears to be some sourcing not available easily online (the "surface" of the Internet). I'm going for a dive. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I searched under three different names for this author and his book, Shrill Mist. I also reached out to a Nepalese friend. I've come up with zero reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 02:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello,
    Thank you for letting me know.I am actively working on gathering reliable links and additional information to support it. I’ll share them in refrence of the article.
    The reason your friend might not have found information about the novel could be because it is an older work, first published in 2008. The author is not as widely recognized as prominent Nepali literary figures like Parijat, Laxmi Prasad Devkota, or Bhanubhakta Acharya, whose biographies are included in school curriculum. Additionally, the novel hasn’t been published online, limiting its accessibility to a broader audience. However, I’ve heard that the author’s new book is being published or translated into English, which might bring more attention to their work.
    It’s also worth noting that the author has spent a significant amount of time outside Nepal, particularly in Hong Kong. If you search for his name on YouTube, you’ll find his songs, which might provide some additional context.
    For now, I can provide the ISBN number of the book or any other available details. I’m actively working on finding more reliable sources and digging through news archives to provide further information Rasilshrestha (talk) 03:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello.
    I have posted the photos of news archive i have clicked (Ram Krishna Bantawa News Articles : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive) in archive.org Rasilshrestha (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I have added the link to external site as Ram Krishna Bantawa News Archive. Rasilshrestha (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment.

Ref 1 : non neutral source ( media with no reputation has review of some book not a notable work , no findings on search on internet )

Ref 2 & 3 - not active link, neither found on google

Ref 4 - not at all a media of even minor entity

Ref 5&6 - he attends book inauguration program ( that’s all . Just his name mentioned)

Ref 7. Controversial piece about some legal issues being taken. Doesn’t support the article in any sense.

Rest sources - all are either repetition of above news or your tube material or some small contributions not covered in any genuine source. Rahmatula786 (talk) 15:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Ram Krishna Bantawa News Archive in external Links. They consist of photographs from old newspaper(offline Source). Rasilshrestha (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From what i heard, his book "Aamalai Chitthi" is currently being translated and is expected to be published soon. Once it becomes available, I believe I will be able to provide you with more relevant online sources for further reference. Rasilshrestha (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as there is now clear evidence of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources newspapers as shown in the news archive link mentioned above in the external links section of the article. Passes WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - COI - looking at the Archies i wonder how so much personal info (like old newspapers copies) and he is planning to make an English version of some book , can be gathered unless editor knows and have approach with the subject. Recent update in the article also describes the same thing. Nothing but a Desperate attempt.Rahmatula786 (talk) 04:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello,
    I appreciate your concern, but as I mentioned earlier, I have photographs of offline sources that I have used for my research. Regarding the English translation, it is based on news related to Aamalai Chitthi (https://annapurnapost.com/story/451773/), where the translator Devi Panthi has spoken about it.
    I assure you, this is not a desperate attempt, If it were, I would have included additional details of the author. Instead, my article focuses primarily on the subject's songs, novels, and books that he has written. For example, I have read Shrill Mist and am currently reading another work. The song I referenced is also publicly available on YouTube.
    Thank you for understanding, and I hope this clarifies any confusion. Rasilshrestha (talk) 05:06, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    How did u get all photographs , newspaper cuts , u kept in archives. What kind of research ur doing on him, can u clarify. Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I collected photographs from various sources, including a news archive where old newspapers are stacked. Unfortunately, I couldn’t obtain any materials from Gorkhapatra, as they dont allow. Some of the newspapers I used were already in my possession at home, while others were gathered during my visit to a book launch event.
    The event was held to celebrate the author’s return from Hong Kong and his book launch. It featured displays of certificates for his awards and documents with official letterheads. However, I chose not to mention these certificates or documents in my article, as I wasn’t entirely certain about their authenticity or relevance Rasilshrestha (talk) 06:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless you are related with him, how come you find or keen to find those stuff. Have you ever done such efforts to make any other article in Wikipedia. So far i can see , you are here just to make this article. If ur a genuine editor. You might have participated in various other articles, agenda . Did you understand it now. U have altogether 63 edits and almost all for this article only since May 5. That clearly shows what you are looking for . I guess u will come with some other explanations. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello,
    Thank you for your concern. I’m currently a student in my final year, and I have a deep interest in Nepali literature, arts, and culture, especially Newar traditions and history, as I am a Newar myself. I also enjoy learning about historical topics and sharing knowledge.
    I want to clarify that I am not connected to the author mentioned in the article, nor am I being paid for my contributions. If this were a paid effort, I believe the author would have hired someone more experienced than me. As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I am still learning and this article has been my starting point.
    I plan to work on more articles in the future and am currently gathering resources for my next article as i have already mentioned earlier. Regarding the current article, my intent has been to present information in a neutral tone. If I were biased or paid, my contributions would likely reflect that, but I have strived to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines.
    Wikipedia encourages contributors to improve content where they can, and I believe my contributions are consistent with this principle.
    While it’s true that I haven’t contributed extensively to other articles yet, everyone starts somewhere. My current focus on this article does not diminish my genuine intention to support Wikipedia’s mission of providing accurate, unbiased information.
    If you have specific concerns about my edits, I’d be happy to discuss and address them transparently. I value constructive feedback and aim to contribute positively to the platform. Rasilshrestha (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your explanation doesn’t justify how you gathered all those photos and newspapers pieces put in archives . Anyway i leave it for now. And want to see how other editors put their views. Rahmatula786 (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello,
    I respect your concerns and your efforts to make Wikipedia a reliable and comprehensive source of information for everyone. As a newcomer, I would greatly value your feedback on how I can improve my article. Could you please guide me on how to make it more effective? Also, do you think there are any changes I should consider?
    Thank you for your time and assistance in advance. I truly appreciate your support and feedback. Rasilshrestha (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Uday Narkar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails the notability test for politicians, and of course WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. A cursory search doesn't bring up anything useful. Also, peoplesdemocracy.in would be very much unreliable in this context, because it is not independent of the subject and would hardly be unbiased. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

keep! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profoundfrustration (talkcontribs) 17:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of universities with BDSM clubs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LISTCRITERIA - this is a directory of universities with a specific type of club with no encyclopedic merit past that the club exists. We could perhaps merge the lead into the main article (BDSM). ~ Matthewrb Let's connect · Here to help 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sexuality and gender and Lists. ~ Matthewrb Let's connect · Here to help 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no merge/redirect. This is simply something that we shouldn't be cataloging here and is certainly not for a general reading audience or anyone actually attending a school. Nate (chatter) 17:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Passes WP:NLIST due to multiple sources (starting with the first three currently given in the article) discussing the set as a set. XOR'easter (talk) 18:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The sources alluded to immediately above might justify an article for the overarching topic of BDSM clubs at universities, but not a directory (WP:NOTDIR) of universities that happen to have one at the moment (or ever?). WP:IINFO applies here as well -- even in such a hypothetical article, I'd argue against the inclusion of such a listing within it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What's "indiscriminate" about this list? It's not a list of all student groups of all types. WP:NOTDIR points to WP:LISTCRITERIA, which is an easy standard to meet here. XOR'easter (talk) 01:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." This doesn't do that, nor is there any particular way that could be done here. The fact that random college X has random student club Y isn't noteworthy. Again, notability of an overall topic is not an automatic license to compile a list of every single example that can be found. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree that the sources could justify an article about BDSM at universities. My problem with this list is that student clubs are so temporary and informal that it seems impossible to produce a useful encyclopedic list of universities that "have a BDSM club" in any real sense. The sources in this list range from very credible (e.g. Columbia University) all the way to the many entries that may well have been jokes (universities often make it really, really easy to 'register' a club!), or that appeared in a student media outlet or directory years ago and probably didn't exist for long. One citation is a full twenty years old - surely it's doubtful whether that club still exists? And several entries seem to be for one-off events rather than actual clubs. I think the nature of student clubs just makes it impossible to have a verifiable, objective inclusion criteria for whether a given university "has a BDSM club" in any meaningful sense. Does the club have to have members? Does it have to hold actual events? Does it be more than one person's short term project? At the moment this is really just a list of trivia about universities where something vaguely BDSM-related has ever been reported, not a verifiable list of universities per WP:LISTCRITERIA where you would actually find a BDSM club. MCE89 (talk) 09:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Passes WP:NLIST, like List of countries with McDonald's restaurants or List of typefaces included with macOS does. I Agree with MCE89, that the criteria is a bit vague and should be defined better, but I think that is possible. In opposite to List of chemical compounds with unusual names having a BDSM club is objectively check-able by specified criteria. Nico Düsing (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just because WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, doesn't mean this one should too. The McDonald's list is...middling, because there's at least some background info along with the list entries, but the primary sourcing to the company itself is troubling. It would be better off in prose about the company's activities around the world generally. The typeface list is terrible and I would strongly argue for its deletion as well. You're merely stating that it passes NLIST without really explaining why, or addressing the concerns about NOTDIR, IINFO, etc. that have been raised. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

    The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "universities with BDSM clubs" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

    Sources

    1. Johnson, M. Alex (2012-11-30). "50 Grades of Grey: Harvard becomes latest college to accept BDSM club". NBC News. Archived from the original on 2025-01-06. Retrieved 2025-01-06.

      The article notes: "While Harvard's club drew widespread attention this week, it's far from the only BDSM club officially recognized by, or at least tolerated at, U.S. colleges. ... At the University of Minnesota, Kinky U is Student Organization No. 2370. ... At Tufts University in Medford, Mass., Tufts Kink started meeting this semester. ... There's no national registry of campus BDSM groups, but consensus is that the oldest is at Columbia University, in New York, where Conversio Virium meets on campus every Monday night at 9. ... The point is to "raise general awareness of kink and to promote acceptance and understanding of BDSM," according to the bylaws of Risk-Aware Consensual Kink, or RACK, at the University of Chicago."

    2. Grasgreen, Allie (2012-12-04). "Fifty Shades of Crimson: Harvard is just the latest campus to sanction a kinky sex club, which students and experts say is a healthy and positive educational tool". Inside Higher Ed. Archived from the original on 2025-01-06. Retrieved 2025-01-06.

      The article notes: "For all the ruckus it’s causing, you’d think the new BDSM club at Harvard University was actually a new idea -- and a controversial one, at that. Not so. A lot of people seemed taken aback by last week’s widely reported news that – gasp – Ivy League students like kinky sex, too. But clubs for students interested in BDSM – short for bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and sadism and masochism – have been around for quite some time, at least on a handful of campuses (including Cornell, Tufts and Yale Universities). And sex educators say that’s a good thing."

    3. White, Rachel R. (2012-11-16). "The Story of 'No': S&M Sex Clubs Sprout Up on Ivy Campuses, and Coercion Becomes an Issue". The New York Observer. Archived from the original on 2025-01-06. Retrieved 2025-01-06.

      The article notes: "The popularity of 50 Shades of Grey has accelerated a mainstreaming of the BDSM subculture already underway—the initials stand for bondage, discipline, sadism and masochism—and the trend has been especially pronounced in our more elite institutions of higher learning. Columbia has a BDSM group. So do Tufts, MIT, Yale and the University of Chicago."

    4. Křivánková, Lucie (2024). BDSM Communities in Central Europe: Societal Perspectives. Cham: Springer Nature. p. 159. ISBN 978-3-031-75618-4. Retrieved 2025-01-06 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "The interest of university students in activities related to alternative sexual practices is also evident from the increasing number of official events at universities in the USA and even the establishment of clubs dedicated to BDSM and other sexual activities under the auspices of universities such as the University of Columbia, University of Chicago and Vassar College (Crocker, 2012). In Europe, academic and university activities devoted to BDSM can be found, for instance, in Ghent University (2020) in Belgium and the University of Helsinki in Finland (2020)."

    5. Coslor, Erica; Crawford, Brett; Brents, Barbara (2017-08-01). "Whips, Chains and Books on Campus: How Organizations Legitimate Their Stigmatized Practices". Academy of Management Proceedings. 2017 (1). doi:10.5465/AMBPP.2017.12142abstract. Archived from the original on 2025-01-06. Retrieved 2025-01-06.

      The study notes: "We examine the intersection of core stigma and strategies in emergent, purpose-driven organizations through the provocative case of official university student organizations focused on kink and kinky sexuality."

    6. Meeker, Carolyn (2011). "Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, and Sadism and Masochism (BDSM) Identity Development". Proceedings of the Tenth Annual College of Education & GSN Research Conference. Florida International University. p. 158. Archived from the original on 2025-01-06. Retrieved 2025-01-06.

      The article notes: "Iowa State University Cuffs is an educational group through which students learn about BDSM and safe, consensual, and non-exploitative human sexuality. Their educational topics include how to safely meet a play partner; bondage; negotiating a scene; and preventing sexual assault (CUFFS, 2010). Risk-Aware Consensual Kink (RACK) is the University of Chicago BDSM club. As a registered student organization, RACK raises awareness about kink and provides resources to interested students (RACK, 2010). Though such groups seem to be safe forums in which students choose to explore and develop their identities, not all colleges have similar groups."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 13:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources addresses the concerns raised or demonstrates notability sufficient for creating such a list, rather than for general topic itself. Also, please stop spamming walls of text into deletion discussions, as it's generally disruptive. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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London Buses route 328 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I nominated this page at AfD 4 years ago because there was no significant coverage of the bus route itself and it failed GNG. The consensus was to delete and redirect to List of bus routes in London.

The page was recreated in 2023 by Garuda3 but the notability issues have not been addressed. I was not able to find anything of note in a WP:BEFORE search.

The references in the article do not establish notability. They mainly concern trivia "tender" news regarding bus companies winning contracts to operate bus routes, the sale of a bus depot which hosted the route at one point from one bus company to another, local news about planned changes to several bus routes, or operating incidents and traffic accidents that occured on a route 328 bus.

None of this constitutes significant coverage of route 328 itself. The article still fails GNG, and should be redirected back to List of bus routes in London. SK2242 (talk) 07:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

B. K. Goenka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Majorly citations are WP:NEWSORGINDIAWP:ROUTINE, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Just a detailed resume WP:NORESUMES. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was an AfD discussion in the past Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balkrishan Goenka, which should be considered for this discussion. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Space Solar Power Exploratory Research and Technology program (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article lacks inline cites and the topic is already covered in Space-based_solar_power#Exploratory_Research_and_Technology_program No objection to merging if you think the refs at the end of this article are sufficient. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manish Kejriwal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Majorly citations are WP:NEWSORGINDIA, WP:ROUTINE, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the whole page resembles a detailed resume WP:NORESUMES. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 07:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heptalogy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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While trilogy is notable, subsequent (longer) concepts are very rarely discussed in depth in literary dictionaries, encyclopedias or other academic woks. This is a "4th" nom but as far as I can tell the previous noms were mass noms including, among other, better known tetralogy. Let's start from the most obscure end of this spectrum. My BEFORE as well as the quotations used for refs here do not show that 'heptalogy' has WP:SIGCOV anywhere, this is just a rarely used dict-def term) that can be redirected to Series fiction (which I am writing now) per WP:ATD-R. The article is just a dict def plus a list of notable heptalogies. Frankly, as I have recently begun incrasingly reviewing and writing about literature, I very much doubt we need more than the article on trilogy, as from the perspective of literature studies, there is no significance difference between the number of installments in a series outside 'short' and 'long'. For now, however, let's cut some dict-cruft. And if anyone wants to keep this - pleas show us how this meets SIGCOV. PS. Perhaps the list could be split into the list of heptalogies, if WP:LISTN can be shown to be met... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Madhu Azad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Being a mayor does not pass WP:NPOL, Fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 05:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. I think the sources that have been added since nomination represent adequate SIGCOV to satisfy WP:BASIC, even if individually none of them have a great deal of depth about the subject. WP:NEWSORGINDIA also doesn't mean that Indian news sources are inherently bad or unreliable — it just says that Indian media outlets often include poorly labelled sponsored content and press releases, which I don't think really applies here. There also seems to be a plenty of local coverage in Hindi, but I'm hesitant to weigh that too heavily given that I don't speak the language and am relying on Google Translate. MCE89 (talk) 06:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Agree with MCE89 that WP:NEWSORGINDIA is not relevant here as only 4 of the 13 sources are from Times group. Also the coverage was regular, from 2017 with news items appearing every year for over five years, thanks to her controversial acts. I just added one more controversy. Will await the decision... either way... Davidindia (talk) 08:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Zinda Park (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article fails to meet WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG as it lacks significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources to establish notability. Its significance revolves around a single protest and lacks substantial information on the park's broader significance. On reading the article I observed some of the article lines read like promotional material, which goes against WP:NOTADVERT. Without comprehensive, independent coverage, the topic does not warrant a standalone article. Nxcrypto Message 05:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luno (cryptocurrency company) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This doesn't seem to meet WP:SIGCOV in any way, and most of the sources are non RS crypto sites. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cryptocurrency, Companies, South Africa, and Singapore. WCQuidditch 06:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @BuySomeApples: Hello BuySomeApples. Thanks for the message, your comments are much appreciated. I'm not sure if you are aware of the South African context? Luno as a Crypto Currency is being normalized in my country. By big many players, including media giant Naspers who was an early investor, our inspirational Springbok rugby captain Siya Kolisi who has agreed to act as a Luno evangelist. If you visit Capetown, you will see that the Luno logo appears on top of Skyscrapers, alongside well known banking brands.
    South African regulators have recently defined crypto as a financial product. IMHO a currency should be able to store value and crypto's volatility has thus not been able to do that. NASPERS was a publisher under apartheid and its magazines, newspapers normalized a fascist theocracy. A number of their journalists admitted to their role, but the company was late delivered their apology for their propaganda role. This same company used its money and media to influence to promote Luno Crypto Currency and re-assure assure bitcoin investors that their investments were safe. We know that there is spillover between cryptocurencies and the global financial markets. There is no need to restrict the references to RS crypto sites (I don't really know what RS Crypto is anyway)
    To my mind this is notable. If you agree, then this will be worked into future versions of the article. Kind Regards Derek J Moore (talk) 10:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vivo X30 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No shown notability. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Did your WP: BEFORE include a search for sources in Chinese? HyperAccelerated (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I typically do not search for sources outside of English as I cannot read Chinese and thus cannot assess their notability. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 05:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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ʾUlu al-ʿAzm (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Very short article which could be merged into prophets in Islam. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 05:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bengal Commercial Bank (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nothing referenced except for a couple of questionable references in the lede. Plenty of POV pushing and promotional language in the rest. Was borderline to CSD it. - RichT|C|E-Mail 05:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pantnagar Seeds (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nothing to find WP:RS. No evidence of Notability. Fails WP:GNG. Bakhtar40 (talk) 04:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Wolf (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I Believe this artcile should be deleted as the article is not notable and the writer of the article has a Conflict of interest. Jake Jakubowski Talk 20:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jake-jakubowski - this AFD was never transcluded to the log and was missing the templates. I have tried to fix it for you.Jay8g [VTE] 04:11, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Métier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails to demonstrate notability under WP:NCORP. Available references mostly discuss product launches, no significant coverage of the company itself and the product themselves do not appear independently notable. Brandon (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Evah Destruction (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Drag performer fails WP:NBIO. GTrang (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If the subject is not notable, then the page should be redirected to The Boulet Brothers' Dragula season 3, not deleted altogether. Thanks, ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anne Pincus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't believe she meets WP:ARTIST. Could not find coverage in google news or books. The awards do not appear major (and not reported in press). She is not part of a permanent collection of notable galleries. LibStar (talk) 03:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I am looking her up in Australian art sources to check notability. In the meantime, as most of her career has been in Germany and she has received more exposure there, is there any way to refer her article to German Wikipedia and see if the German editors can find her as a notable artist there? LPascal (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The German article is also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 00:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article Anne Pincus does not have sources either (other Wikipedia sites have different criteria, and don't always require sources etc). Her own website, shown in the External links section, has a Press section which lists reviews of her exhibitions in publications like Süddeutsche Zeitung and Abendzeitung. Those articles have links to the newspapers' websites - I've just searched Süddeutsche Zeitung and found a 2021 review, but on first glance neither seems to go back far enough for reviews before that. I think as far as galleries are concerned, we'd also need to search in German galleries ... RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dollya Black (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Drag performer fails WP:NBIO. GTrang (talk) 04:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Genlin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Highly promotional and of very questionable notability over a WP:SUSTAINED period. Amigao (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Agree that the article as written seems quite promotional in tone, and it seems there might possible be conflict on interest concerns, but those are both things to be fixed through editing, not AfD nominations. If you want to go through and reword all the promotional parts, have at it. There seems to be more than enough coverage to establish notability though (some sources aren’t great, but there are enough that are to establish notability). As for WP:SUSTAINED arguments… I see sources from 2016 - 2024 so I can’t see how it applies here? Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, definitely needs cleanup but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Keep but WP:STUBIFY is appropriate. DCsansei (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dien Sanh train crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:EVENT. No lasting impact or coverage. All the sources are from March 2015. Whilst number of deaths is not a criterion, we don't generally keep articles with such a low death and injury count. LibStar (talk) 03:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samsung Global Scholarship Program (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article lacks inline citations. Google news search yields just 1 hit. This article is basically a list of non notable individuals. Fails WP:NLIST and GNG. LibStar (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Boys' U17 Pan-American Volleyball Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT, all but 1 of the supplied sources are primary from the event organiser. Also nominating:

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I am also nominating the following related pages because of same reasons as above:

2024 Girls' U17 Pan-American Volleyball Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Manop Leeprasansakul (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined prod that was redirected. I contested the redirect Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_8#Manop_Leeprasansakul. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bernard J. Schaffer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 02:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Croft Farm railway station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notable? Lack of references? And mostly better served as part of the Cofton article? DragonofBatley (talk) 02:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John James Fox (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability, unreferenced; looks like it was created by COI editors; ELs old and dead (removed some). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sartaj Mera Tu Raaj Mera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unless there are non-English sources that can be found, there is nothing I can find that amounts to significant coverage. A redirect to Hum TV would be a good WP:ATD but would not qualify as a standalone page. CNMall41 (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 California wildfires controversy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not need to be a separate article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw, Los Angeles (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 8#Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw, Los Angeles. Where participants decided that the article should be restored. Pinging Phatblackmama (the editor who BLARed the article). CycloneYoris talk! 00:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bharam (2024 TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage showing notability. Just run of the mill churnalism, mentions, etc. from unreliable sources or unbylined articles. Moved to mainspace by creator after decline at AfC. CNMall41 (talk) 00:11, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As the creator, what is your rationale for the "stay" vote? --CNMall41 (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Billie Eilish - NDA.png (delete | talk | history | links | Eilish - NDA.png logs) – uploaded by Infsai (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 
File:Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever (song).png (delete | talk | history | links | Eilish - Happier Than Ever (song).png logs) – uploaded by Infsai (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

These files aren't cover of any vinyl or even physical. Even these pictures are included in Billie Eilish's "Happier Than Ever Lyric Video", but they can't play a role as "single cover" which have to be included in main infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camilasdandelions (talkcontribs) 00:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails NFCC#1 as the subject is still alive and, since they were acquitted, it is entirely reasonable that a free alternative could be procured. The picture is not discussed in the article so the NFUR appears incorrect. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia categories named after mass media franchises

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Nominator's rationale: What's the purpose of this? What "maintenance" is needed for these specifically? It looks as if every category can be restated as a "Wikipedia category named after", e.g. "Wikipedia categories named after countries", "Wikipedia categories named after years", essentially duplicating the category system. But why? If we want a category grouping all mass media franchises, it should be Category:Mass media franchises, not this. Fram (talk) 08:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - afaict, these seem to be an effort to diffuse Category:Eponymous categories. So these are part of that larger tree. Now whether that larger tree should exist, I don't know. This tree's cats are apparently all hidden cats, so apparently they are used somehow for the project, though I don't know how. Further info on this would be welcome. - jc37 09:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Murder in YYYY

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Nominator's rationale: Contents are mostly about murders or murder victims, and therefore these are set categories. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 06:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes in Africa between 1900–1949

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Nominator's rationale: Cleanup of WP:OCYEAR categories. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 06:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Actors of European descent in Indian films

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Nominator's rationale: There's no need to isolate actresses of European decent from other expatriate accesses SMasonGarrison 02:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:10th-century churches in Russia

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Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, these churches were established in Alania and have no ties with Kievan Rus' or the later Russian Empire. Culturally they were part of the Middle East. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is no established category tree for this country, and churches seem to be mostly organized by their modern-day locations, e.g. Category:20th-century churches in Russia. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 23:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century deputy heads of government of Liechtenstein

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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. There's no need to diffuse the parent category to this degree. SMasonGarrison 00:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I disagree. Government ministers are a very notable role within Liechtenstein and should have their own century categories. There is also enough people with this role (page created or not) to warrant it's existence. Deputy heads of government, while technically a government minister, is also an entirely different role. TheBritinator (talk) 00:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did I say anything about notability? I said that there's no need to diffuse this category by century. We don't keep categories around just because the pages might exist. SMasonGarrison 00:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I disagree. There is more than enough people to warrant it being split by century. It being split this way also makes for much simpler navigation. TheBritinator (talk) 00:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, I based my decision making for these categories similar to that of Category:20th-century vice presidents of the United States, for example. Why is this acceptable while mine is not? They serve the same purpose. TheBritinator (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Otherstuffexists isn't a helpful argument. Why does there need to be 3 layers of politicians intersecting by century? SMasonGarrison 23:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the argument I was making. I don't believe you have given a extensive rationale, so I am asking for clarification. TheBritinator (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"I don't believe you have given a extensive rationale" what level of rational do you need here? You are making a comparison to a much larger more developed category that covers more than 2 centuries. I've asked you to explain why we need this intersection, and thus far you've only pointed to other categories needing it. Not this one. SMasonGarrison 01:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A good amount of these people are only notable for one role. As such, the intersection is ideal to make the navigation flow well with Category:21st-century Liechtenstein politicians, for example. Otherwise it will make it so they are not as easily found. My comparison is valid as it does in fact serve the same role, is that enough of an explanation? TheBritinator (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Arab Nationalist Movement breakaway groups

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Nominator's rationale: This is a more accurate description as many of these groups emerged after the dissolution of the Arab Nationalist Movement. Charles Essie (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Works set on Mars

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Nominator's rationale: Same rationale as for the Moon category below (see also Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space)). Per my analysis below, this might be restored in the near future once humans land on Mars and we can have non-fiction works documenting this set on Mars. Arguably, if there are notable works (documentaries) about robot (probles) exploration on Mars, this category could be argued to have merit now, but right now it does not have any relevant entries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus and Jc37. There are only a dozen cats that begin "Fiction set on foo"; all of which can be seen as sub cats of Category:Fiction about planets. In my view all of these should be re-named/moved to Works set on... to fit into the "works by setting" category tree using its standard language. There needs to be a clear separation between the topic category tree and the setting category tree.4meter4 (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 Works is a broader concept as it includes both fiction and non-fiction... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus It does when appropriate. It's not always appropriate. Take for example Category:Non-fiction novels which shows a very small number of works (less than 200 articles in the entire tree when adding up numbers in that cat and its subcats) comparatively to the many thousands of fictional novel articles under Category:Novels and its various sub-cats. When applying Category:Novels by setting and going to any individual sub-cat say Category:Novels set on farms should we separate non-fiction novels from fiction ones in that cat? The answer is likely no. We might have one or two non-fiction novels set on farms but isn't large enough a number under policy to create Category:Non-fiction novels set on farms. We generally need roughly ten articles in a category to justify creating it under policy. My point is, it is better to throw in all the non-fiction novels in with the fiction ones because they are rare and we can't justify sorting them out by our category policies on category size. Both fiction and non-fiction novels are still novels and they still have a setting and they can be sorted together. That's just one example where we can't sort. On the other side I could easily see creating a category tree Category:Documentary films by setting and sorting out fiction from non-fiction in film this way. There are lots of documentary films so they probably are able to sustain a sub-cat system large enough to be sorted in most locales. However, a region of the world not often featured in film both fiction or non-fiction may not be able to be sorted in this way, and therefore needs to lump both together. Regardless, your original merge proposal was attempting to merge the parent category ":Works set on Mars" to a sub-cat of the parent category: "Fiction set on Mars". That makes no sense. We can merge up to the parent cat but not down to the child. Otherwise we cut off a way to organize non-fiction and navigate up the category tree. You can’t cut out the parent cat or the tree navigation collapses.4meter4 (talk) 08:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 I agree that reverse merge is preferable to my original proposal, if a merge is needed. But I still think it's fine to separate fiction and non-fiction here; otherwise it is hard to find the (agreed, relatively few) non-fiction works. There is value in having them easy to identify, and no cost to doing so. SMALLCAT should not, IMHO, apply to parent categories, which often double as useful container categories, just to pointless subcategories. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Piotrus This has been an odd area to edit in. At first people I call CFD regulars were opposed to the “Works by setting” structure because people erroneously believed non-fiction works didn’t have setting. It wasn’t until I pointed out that narrative non-fiction includes setting as a defining aspect in academic literature that they came around to the idea that there had to be room for non-fiction in the category structure. After that, there has been a trend to deprecate the fiction setting cats in favor of works by setting structure. I don’t necessarily agree with this, but it took forever for me to convince people to buy into the works by setting structure I’m loath to fight for the fiction by setting structure as many see it as duplicative. In other words this category outcome has happened before in this way in other discussions and is following a trend at CFD.4meter4 (talk) 01:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 I'd like to hear arguments from others. For now, while I totally support the existence of parent 'works' category, I also remain convinced we need to fiction subcategory. I mean, there is a large and non-redundant Category:Fiction tree anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Flash television shows

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Nominator's rationale: Better title for the category, to match with its subcategories. 2803:C600:8101:80DD:BC28:5B0:38B5:F109 (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Peggy Jay family

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Nominator's rationale: procedural nominaton, this was opposed at speedy because there was no speedy criterion applicable. Nom's rationale was: "To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of Peggy Jay." I have no opinion about the proposal myself. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Extinctions since 1500

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Nominator's rationale: merge, the year 1500 is an arbitrary cutoff. If there is no opposition I will add the subcategories to the nomination for renaming from "since 1500" to "Holocene". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 1500 may be arbitrary, but it is the date used by the International Union for Conservation of Nature to track extinct species (they do not include species known to have gone extinct prior to 1500). 1500 is used because it's a round number near the start of the Age of Discovery, when (European) naturalists would have been able document species before they went extinct, and it represents a date after which human influence played a major role in all subsequent extinctions (there are extinctions prior to that date where humans played a major role, and there are likely some extinction after that date where.
I would not be strongly opposed to renaming the category to Category:Recent extinctions, which follows List of recently extinct fishes, List of recently extinct mammals and several other sublists in the entries at Lists of extinct species. However, I do feel that would just obfuscate the fact that 1500 is exactly the date chosen for an extinction to be considered "recent".
Contemporaneous documentation is what distinguishes prehistory from history. There is a whole category tree for Category:Prehistoric life; it is under Category:Extinct taxa, and categorization between the prehistoric/extinct categories is pretty messy (many prehistoric organisms are in extinct categories). But I think "recent extinctions in which humans played a major role" is something that is worthy of categories as is "prehistoric extinctions that occurred before humans evolved" (while recognizing that there is a grey area where humans may have played a role in some prehistoric extinctions once they had evolved (but there are also many extinctions during the Holocene where humans didn't play a major role)). Plantdrew (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Númenor

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Nominator's rationale: Only one article in here. There is a very low probability of this being filled with meaningful articles. All the other inclusions here are redirects all to the same article, which are already categorized at category:Middle-earth location redirects. Jontesta (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters incorrectly presumed dead

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Nominator's rationale: Category is for a largely non-important criteria (Being presumed dead incorrectly). This is a fairly common trope across media and generally not important to a given character, which makes a category superfluous. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I believe TV Tropes calls this the Disney Death. But I can't double-check because connection to their server is very slow right now. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 09:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Jontesta (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I strongly disagree that it is not important as (as I explained the last time this was CfDed) it greatly impacts the characterisation, development, storylines, casting and the reception of characters (I am happy to give examples), and for many characters it becomes one of the biggest things that they are known for and the reason why they get so much SIGCOV. Even for example, Kathy Beale - her faked death was inspired by a real life case, whilst Cindy Beale's fake death got a lot of reception - showing that the category is not just in-universe. I am happy to include many more examples of how this impacts the characters. Additionally, there is a lot of SIGCOV about characters faking their deaths. I also disagree that the category is superfluous as if it applied to the majority of characters, there would be many thousands of characters in this category. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – per above; this has been a defining trait for many characters involved in category. – Meena19:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Spanish Civil War in the Canary Islands

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't very helpful for navigaiton SMasonGarrison 03:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Attacks

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Nominator's rationale: Recommened by PARAKANYAA (talk · contribs) because: They're duplicative, have an undefined and vague scope, and are barely used. I don't think they're underused, but Attack is a disambiguation page, which supports their assertion — contents include animal attacks, terrorist attacks, mass shootings, military invasions, and much more. Most articles are, or should be, in more specific categories such as those of Category:Terrorist incidents. So I'm excluding subcategories based on a specific method or motive, such as Category:Antisemitic attacks and incidents, and including only those which are just "attacks". –LaundryPizza03 (d) 03:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose, especially to this scale. I'll disclose that I have a bias since I made many of these categories, but I simply don't agree that a wholesale deletion is the way to go. For example: Category:Attacks on civilians attributed to Sri Lankan government forces et al. are associated with the Sri Lankan civil war, and have main pages that go along with them. I also fundamentally disagree that, for example, "Category:Attacks on schools", "Category:Attacks on religious buildings and structures" or "Category:Attacks on hospitals" are "undefined and vague scope". Some of these categories also have dozens of pages in them, so I wouldn't call them "barely used" either. XTheBedrockX (talk) 07:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Attacks in which Poles died

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Nominator's rationale: WP:TRIVIALCAT, all of these attacks were terrorist incidents that killed indiscriminately. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 03:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1867 in Argentine sport

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Nominator's rationale: Isolated category SMasonGarrison 23:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it follows other convention and fits with others inside Category:1867 in sports by country. Other listings in this category similarly have one category per listing so it is not right to single out the Argentine one. If you are going to merge it should at least be consistent. For the reader it is useful and relevant to keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayyn (talkcontribs) 02:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Species that are or were threatened by human consumption for medicinal or magical purposes

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Nominator's rationale: Does anyone have a suggestion for renaming this category. It seems just really really long as it stands. SMasonGarrison 00:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

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Railroad accident lawsuits

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This previously pointed to several targets, including Train wreck and Lists of rail accidents, but there's nothing in them about lawsuits that could serve as an appropriate target. Suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 07:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Towergate

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No mention in the article. I don't think anyone will search this to see 9/11 Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Metros

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Ambiguous; a quick google suggests that this phrase is about as likely to refer to Indian metropolitan areas. Rusalkii (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah this ambiguity never crossed my mind while I added it. Either it can host multiple articles as a disambiguation page or it may be not necessary at all and can be removed. I'm more inclined towards removal. Footy2000♡; 06:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Canvas bucket

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not mentioned in the article or in canvas. results seem torn on defining it as a bucket, a purse, a bucket pretending to be a purse, a purse predending to be a bucket, and a hat consarn (speak evil) (see evil) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've also added a cited entry for canvas buckets on the list. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:CURRENT YEAR

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This redirect is one space away from the magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}}. But it redirects to {{CURRENTISOYEAR}}, which apparently uses a calendar system where the year is currently 2025. Four of the five template-space usages seemed to be erroneous: [30] [31] [32] [33]. I have no opinions on retargeting vs replacing the remaining usage and deleting, but as-is, I think this is an entirely unnecessary footgun. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Mdaniels5757: As of this comment, this redirect has 179 transclusions, not just the 1 in the template space. (I found a few where {{CURRENT YEAR}} is hardcoded in the article itself.) Best solution here to avoid anything breaking is to replace all transclusions with either the current target or the proposed target prior to this discussion being closed. Steel1943 (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I was fast enough with my stealth edit. Guess not! :) That sounds good to me. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mdaniels5757: You were! I had an edit conflict, but I had to add "in the template space" to my comment after rereading your comment. Either way though, the nominated redirect is hardcoded in some articles, so the transclusions will have to be reevaluated after any of the pages which transclude the templates you edited are purged. Steel1943 (talk) 00:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've been going through remaining usage and almost all of these are fundamental abuse of how "as of" statement works, as if a dated statement will simultaneously always be true?? Very strange. These should all be removed, and I'm doing so. The one valid usage I've found, for a dynamic x-in-year title, would not work with CURRENTISOYEAR. So, since we can't redirect to a magic word, convert to wrapper for {{CURRENTYEAR}}. Or redirect to {{CURRENTYEAR}} (the template, that is), and change that to <includeonly>{{CURRENTYEAR}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{soft|mw:CURRENTYEAR}}</noinclude>. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 07:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Black Bean Episiode

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An implausible typographic error; very few pageviews of the last several years and I cannot find evidence in the wild that "Black Bean Episiode" is a commonly used incorrect spelling for the historical event. The correctly spelled Black Bean Episode already exists. Hog Farm Talk 01:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moche (Portuguese mobile)

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"Moche" is not mentioned at the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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PLL-01

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Not mentioned at target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Noting that the page in question had been at the title of "PLL-01" for 10 years before it was moved by one user yesterday, tagged as an R from move. Name of "PLL-01" listed in lede for 10 years up until yesterday. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - 10 years at a location is quite long enough to attract external links, not to mention, a user might have seen it previously at that page, remember the former name, and look for it that way. The move was done because the "PLL-01 name is not verified" but no discussion appears on the talk page. Perhaps the relevant WikiProject should be notified and the correct name discussed amongst people who have knowledge about military equipment (ie, not me)? Fieari (talk) 23:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ponting Engineering Bureau

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None of the following terms/phrases are stated at the target: "Ponting Engineering Bureau", "Ponting Engineering", "Engineering Bureau", or "Bureau". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it should be redirected to Ponting Bridges instead. I believe Ponting Consulting Engineers Ltd, Ponting Engineering Bureau, Ponting Engineering and other translations are all the same. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Body (footballer)

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No mention of "body" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules

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One notable single. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only one notable album. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 09:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany

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Deletion review

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