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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
"Template:Did you know nominations" redirects here. For the list of approved nominations, see Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
March 16
March 22 1 1
March 23 1
March 24 1
March 25 1
March 26 1
March 27 1
March 28 1
March 29 2
March 30 3
April 2 2 1
April 3 1
April 6 4 1
April 8 3 2
April 9 6 1
April 11 2
April 12 2
April 13 1 1
April 14 2
April 15 1
April 16 1 1
April 17 3 1
April 18 8 2
April 19 5 4
April 20 7 5
April 21 11 7
April 22 4 3
April 23 12 6
April 24 10 4
April 25 6 1
April 26 5 2
April 27 12 9
April 28 20 16
April 29 5 4
April 30 11 9
May 1 5 3
May 2 8 4
May 3 13 12
May 4 9 4
May 5 12 8
May 6 9 8
May 7 8 1
May 8 9 4
May 9 4 2
May 10 5
May 11 3
May 12 4
May 13 12
May 14 2 1
May 15 4
May 16 7
May 17 1
May 18
May 19
May 20
May 21
May 22
Total 271 128
Last updated 20:15, 22 May 2025 UTC
Current time is 20:17, 22 May 2025 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the DYK guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions

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How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers

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Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

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How to promote an accepted hook

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At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[TM:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[TM:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[TM:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[TM:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

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  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

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  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

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  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

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Older nominations

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Articles created/expanded on March 16

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Articles created/expanded on March 23

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List of Byzantine churches in Amman

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Ruins of a Byzantine church in Amman
Ruins of a Byzantine church in Amman
Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 12:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

The hook is probably indeed not that interesting, so would go with ALT1: "... that some of the Byzantine churches in Philadelphia, modern-day Amman, were repurposed from earlier Roman temples?" Makeandtoss (talk) 09:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, new enough. Earwig's clean and QPQ is done. ALT1's still fairly bland, but that's not important right now. As written, this would deserve {{one source}}, which begs the question; what makes this meet WP:NLIST?--Launchballer 14:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Per NLIST: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; and other guidelines on appropriate stand-alone lists. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." These churches are described as a group in this source [1], so this should fulfill the guideline. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The guideline asks that the topic be discussed by independent reliable sources, emphasis mine. I don't think one source is sufficient for that.--Launchballer 14:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I added another source: [2] Makeandtoss (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mean the bare URL, used once? One source is for articles that are largely based on one source, which this still is.--Launchballer 15:44, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I have fixed the bare url and used it in two more locations. If notability for lists is established through having these groupings made by reliable sources, then we have now two sources establishing that. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Just a friendly reminder. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This should be fine.--Launchballer 14:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced universes.art is a WP:RS for two reasons. First, it's not clear what editorial oversight there is for content. Second, it's a site dedicated to art. Whatever reliability it may have in that domain doesn't necessarially cary over to archeology, which is what we're using it for. RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Replaced with RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Do you have any other objections?--Launchballer 17:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 24

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Wang Huning

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Wang Huning
Wang Huning
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Improved to Good Article status by The Account 2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

The Account 2 (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

@The Account 2, GreenC, and TheUzbek: Please address the above.--Launchballer 15:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"..considered to be..." suggests there are others who might disagree or this is only an opinion by someone. Why not just say "..is the..", because if this is not unambiguous it doesn't belong in DYK. -- GreenC 15:43, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer, GreenC, and The Account 2: I forgot about this!
  1. I think I conducted a thorough review, as seen here. Most of the copyright violations I see are direct "quotes", but do you have any specific examples?
  2. I don't agree with the DYK texts. As I myself wrote in the review, Wang Huning was not the principal architect of these ideologies. No party document states that. THe article does not state that either.
  3. I hope this helps Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheUzbek (talk • contribs)

I added "ALT3" to get this moving along. It's from the lead section summary. I don't why anyone could disagree with these statements. -- GreenC 17:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging reviewer Launchballer, since the previous ping wouldn't have gone through without a sig. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend inspecting Earwig yourself, but to give examples, the sentences containing the words 'exposed' and 'elimination' need rewording per WP:CLOP.--Launchballer 17:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Account 2: This nomination is timing out in four days, could any remaining concerns please be addressed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, sorry, got a bit busy these days. I rewrote the sections to remove the possible Copyvios as much as possible except the quotations, which I assume to be fine. I also support the ALT3 proposal given by GreenC. The Account 2 (talk) 10:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 25

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United States government group chat leak

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Group chat excerpt
Group chat excerpt
  • ... that Trump's vice president, defense secretary, state secretary, intelligence director, and security advisor leaked military plans to a journalist after accidentally adding him to their group chat (pictured)?
    • ALT1: ... that Trump's national security advisor, Mike Waltz, accidentally added a journalist to a group chat (pictured) in which he and other US national security leaders shared military attack plans?
    • Reviewed: Thin mouse shrew
    • Comment: I only named the top contributor as the author. The rest of the hard-working editors appear to have all contributed an equal amount, and it would not have been practical to name them all.
Created by Noble Attempt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 220 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 08:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • The addition of the journalist to the group still seems unexplained. Various theories have been expressed and Musk has been asked to make a technical investigation. So, the suggested hooks (orig and ALT1) are premature in stating a definitive explanation in Wikipedia's voice. We need more ALTs. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you be more specific, Andrew? The lead of the article unequivocally states that Goldberg was erroneously added by Waltz. Is that not an indisputable fact? What are the other 'theories'? Should the article mention them? Surtsicna (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The lead of the article does not provide a citation for its statement. WP:V is Wikipedia 101 and providing a clearly cited statement is a fundamental requirement per WP:DYKHOOK. For some theories, see Was Signal-gate a mistake, hack or knife in the back?. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not citing Wikipedia as a source. The article cites its sources, obviously not in the lead. The 'analysis' you linked rests solely on the assumption that Waltz could not have been incompetent enough to do this, and that assumption is not shared by any significant portion of reliable sources. The 'theories' seem to be fringe. If you disagree and think they should be included in the article, I suggest starting a thread at the talk page. Surtsicna (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, the theories are not fringe; they all seem reasonably plausible and there's no solid evidence yet for any particular scenario. And pointing to an uncited portion of the lead is not the way that DYK works, "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear". Andrew🐉(talk) 21:49, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plausibility is not what determines whether a theory is fringe or not. The fact of the hook is indeed cited at the end of the sentence in which it appears. Should the citation be repeated in the lead section? DYK does not say, and if that is the issue you have with the nomination, it is very easily fixed. Surtsicna (talk) 06:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I feel like the answer in both these cases is, yes, I did know that. I feel like we ought to be able to find a hook that would actually be something most folks don't know. Valereee (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most people in the US probably, but Wikipedia is written for a wider audience. Of course you may suggest alternative hooks. Surtsicna (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This has been international news for a week now. I've read the article, nothing jumps out at me other than the fact Signal allows deletion, which is against record-keeping laws. Maybe we could build a hook around that? I dunno...that gets into negative about a BLP. Valereee (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative hooks could be based on how Goldberg's number got on Waltz's phone (see article talk page), or on the TeleMessage hack.

@Noble Attempt, Surtsicna, Andrew Davidson, and Valereee: Not seeing a hook on this page that meets WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 01:20, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't followed the latest developments and so didn't know that an investigation had determined a plausible way that Goldberg's number was added to the chat. This update might interest others who want to know the latest. So, please consider ALT2 for which a source is How the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg got added to the White House Signal group chat. The hook deliberately doesn't get into the weeds of the technicalities as they seem too complex to explain briefly. The idea is to get readers to click through for the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2 ... that the White House forensic investigation of Signalgate has determined the way in which a journalist was included in the group chat about Operation Rough Rider (pictured)?
Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. I see multiple paragraphs that require {{cn}} and these should be attended to. (There are also pretty big MOS:PARA and MOS:OVERSECTION violations, but I'll attend to those myself before I approve this.) The only decent hook in the article is a variation on ALT0: ALT3: ... that a United States government group chat recently leaked war plans? Earwig looks like an angry toddler kicked over a paint set and I'll assess that on a full stomach, both figuratively and literally.--Launchballer 15:42, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Noble Attempt, Surtsicna, Andrew Davidson, and Valereee: False positive. Please address the above.--Launchballer 21:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 26

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2015 Islamic State killing of Christian migrants in Libya

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Created by Chomik1129 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Chomik! (talk?) 01:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Chomik1129: As you have done less than 5 DYKs you do not need a QPQ and the page was created two days before its DYK nomination. A quick check of the sources shows that all of them are from reputable sources. The first hook isn't interesting, but ALT1 is and I would suggest that is the one that is used. Jon698 (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, thank you! Chomik! (talk?) 02:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 27

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2025 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reorganization, Administration for a Healthy America

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  • Source: "HHS Announces Transformation to Make America Healthy Again... The restructuring results in a total downsizing from 82,000 to 62,000 full-time employees... The restructuring plan will... includ[e] a new Administration for a Healthy America." [3]; "The Trump administration Thursday announced a major restructuring of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that will cut 20,000 full-time jobs." [4]
Created by Antony-22 (talk) (both articles) and GeekInParadise (talk). (2025 reorganization article) Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 108 past nominations.

Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 22:54, 30 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Looking more into the details, but it is immediately a bit of a flag that the hook is sourced to hhs.gov. This is a primary source, and the hook adds interpretation. The "firing 20,000 workers" for example, is in the source a result of the restructuring "combined with HHS’ other efforts", whereas the source directly says the restructuring will fire 10,000 workers. CMD (talk) 03:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: I can provide independent sources that also confirm the hook fact, if needed. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is needed, but there is similar concerns for the current body. 2025 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reorganization also emphasizes 20,000 in the text, whereas the source article emphasizes 10,000. CMD (talk) 06:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the 20,000 appears in an NPR source used in the article. Perhaps duplicate that one to the relevant locations? Both articles are new enough and long enough. QPQs are done.

  • 2025 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reorganization

The sourcing for the first paragraph of the Background section is not entirely clear, I am unsure how to draw the conclusions of the first paragraph from them. The first sentence of the second paragraph seems true, although not explicit in the sources. The rest of that paragraph is fully supported. The third paragraph is also supported, although determining what the "order required" would be better with secondary sources.

Provisions similarly is mostly sourced to the primary announcement. This is a better use for a primary source, but there is still a bit of interpretation, for example the hss.gov announcement doesn't state that NIOSH is moving from the CDC (although it does say something is moving to the CDC). This seems like the sort of text that could use quotation marks to directly convey part of the primary document. The final bullet point has secondary sources, but is also not something covered in the original press release or its associated "fact sheet" (which is about the same length as the press release), which does suggest that the restructuring goes beyond the press release and so more sources would be helpful to analyze it. (I also tried to do a bit of searching to figure out what the current "28" divisions are, I was unable to find something clear in a quick look.)

The "HHS is said" opinion should probably be attributed directly to Kennedy. Spotchecks in Reduction in force subsection found no issues. On Implementation, "the former being given extra time to scrutinize the firing plans" is not my reading of the source, which is light on details but might suggest it was the unilateral decision of the HHS officials rather than something they were given. I cannot find support for "Some employees cited fears about political interference in health data" in its attached source. CMD (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Administration for a Healthy America

This article is a bit short, especially as a lot of its current content is summaries of various agencies and departments. It is also very reliant on primary sources, especially outside of these summaries. However, it is only an announced agency, so more sourcing will likely become available with time, and given the length is a clear pass on the first article, I am inclined to pass this one on length alongside it.

Going back to the hook, another issue is that it is putting quite a lot of topics together: the reorganization, Kennedy's slogan, the new administration, and the firings. It would be better to refine to a couple of key points with clear links. CMD (talk) 09:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: Thanks for the thorough review. I added the NPR article to the hook sources above, and I improved the sourcing in the Background section. In the Implementation section, the article reports that the cuts were made by DOGE and initially without HHS leadership input, although their sources conflict: see the two paragraphs starting with "The backlash reached a boiling point..." I removed the sentence about political interference, since that's a separate issue from the reorganization anyway.
More generally, one issue is that reorganizations don't take effect until they are published in the Federal Register, and I'm watching out for that. The press release clearly doesn't contain all of the details of the reorganization; it states the number of top-level units will be reduced by 13, but the changes actually listed would only reduce it by 10. (The list of 28 top-level units is here.) A few details have been reported by the press that are not in the announcement, such as the movement of the non-infectious disease CDC divisions into AHA, although NIOSH is explicitly mentioned in the announcement. Until there is a further announcement or Federal Register publication, these are the most reliable sources available.
For the hook, "Make America Healthy Again" is literally in the title of the announcement, as are the new agency and the magnitude of the cuts, and these elements are all reported on in independent sources, so there's no WP:SYNTHESIS here. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 00:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did find that organizational chart, but it has 27 light grey boxes, and five blue boxes, so I'm not sure which ones they're counting to reach 28. "Make American Healthy Again" is in the title of the announcement, but it is not exactly framed in the same way, and this is again a primary source being weaved into this. Relying on further announcements and federal registers still leaves us with a reliance on interpreting primary sources. CMD (talk) 03:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: I believe the Office of Intergovernmental and External Affairs, listed at the top, gets the count to 28. Do you have specific requests needed for DYK passage at this point? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 02:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have the same concerns regarding the proposed hook as I did before. On the article, where the text relies heavily or exclusively on primary sources, it would be better to have quotations rather than an interpretation. CMD (talk) 03:01, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: I have added inline citations to secondary sources for all statements also sourced to the HHS press release. In any case, these statements do not contain any interpretation as they are routine paraphrases, and direct quotations would not be appropriate. For the hook, I'd like to clarify whether your issue is based on verifiability or on presentation. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 01:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The statements appear to be going beyond routine paraphrasing. As I mentioned, the initial position of NIOSH in CDC is not from that source (or the NPR one), similarly the Office of the Secretary is also an addition. The five original bullet points were shortened to three, and then a fourth new one was added to the same list from other sources, which changes the emphasis of the primary source. The concerns with the hook involve both, the presentation (if by that you mean the pulling together of different bits of content) is weaker because it is an interpretation of a primary source. CMD (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: I've added refs for NIOSH being in CDC, and the three offices being under the Office of the Secretary, which was a very simple change to make. No, the five points are not collapsed to three; three of them are in the first block on new agencies, and the other two make up the block about existing agencies. Please read the article carefully in order to avoid mistakes like this.

There is no interpretation at all in this section, only routine paraphrasing and reflecting the due balance of the available reliable sources, which are expected for all Wikipedia article. Quoting large portions of a primary text in this situation is against policy, so if you continue to insist on it, we'll have to bring in a new reviewer to settle the matter. The hook is also not an interpretation, all its elements are directly stated in the same the primary source and confirmed by multiple secondary sources. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 22:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've read the article, thank you. Splitting one list into two based on your inferred context is another clear example of interpreting a primary source. CMD (talk) 02:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, that's routine copyediting, not interpretation. We will need a new reviewer to settle this, as we apparently do not agree on what Wikipedia policy is, or even on the definitions of basic words. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 28

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Sri Jumahaliah Hanifa

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Sri Jumahaliah Hanifa
Sri Jumahaliah Hanifa
Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 71 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article is new enough and long enough and adequately sourced. I did not find any close paraphrasing. All but one source is in Indonesian and offline so AGF. The picture is okay and properly licensed. However, while a QPQ has been provided, it is an incomplete review (it only checked for interestingness and length but not all of the criteria, whether explicitly or implicitly). The article does not mention her date of death, but apparently the obituary does give a date in 2008? My Indonesian is very basic and rusty, and the Google Translate translation is ambiguous: was the 2008 date her date of death, or when they learned the news of her death? Finally, I'm not really that big of a fan of the hook: is there nothing else about her that can be said? If there are no other options, we can probably go with it, but I just want to know if you have any other options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Whew! Thank you for the very extensive and thorough review. I think I have to adress some of your points: regarding the QPQ, I've checked all references given, the shortness of the hook, and there aren't much to comment about other aspects of the article other than its interestingness and length. Regarding the obituary, it wasn't her obituary; it was another law professor's obituary. In the second-to-last page of the obituary, there is this statement: Sebagai seorang Guru Besar, Prof. Gautama memiliki sejumlah asisten. Di antara mereka adalah almh. Ny. S. J. Hanifah Wiknjosastro, S.H., yang menjadi dekan wanita pertama di FHUI periode 1978-1984 (As a Professor, Prof. Gautama had a number of assistants. Among them was the late Mrs. S. J. Hanifah Wiknjosastro, S.H., who became the first female dean at FHUI for the period 1978-1984.) Lastly, regarding the hook, I don't think there's any other options, since the article's size barely passes the DYK threshold. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the QPQ review, please make the checks explicit in the nomination as a promoter or other editor could reject the QPQ as being insufficiently complete. I'm also not sure if the "- ?" thing in the lede is how we treat people with known dates of birth but no known dates of death, so I found that weird. If that's standard practice then I'll let it slide, and it's not really a DYK issue anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Hi uhh forgot to follow up on this. The Eeringia DYK has appeared on the mainpage a week ago with all issues fixed. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael
@Narutolovehinata5: Where are we with this one?--Kevmin § 17:02, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the delay. To be honest, I held back on approving this because I was confused with the statement above regarding Eeringia's running and I wasn't sure how that was related to this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: It appears they may have thought that this nomination was some how contingent on the Beringia (dog sled race), which they QPQ'd, posting to the main page without issues.--Kevmin § 14:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I'm still not sure how to treat the lead though given that we have a known date of birth but not a date of death: asking RoySmith if he has any ideas. That is my last remaining concern so once that's resolved this nomination will be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being the first woman dean of the law school seems like a non-controversial statement. According to Faculty of Law, University of Indonesia, the law school was founded in 1909, so when she was appointed dean in 1978, the school was 70 years old, so probably they'd just had a handful of deans by that time so it's not hard to figure out which one was the first woman. I would, however, change the hook to say "first woman dean" instead of the somewhat ambiguous "first woman to head". What does it mean to be the "head"? Dean? Chair of the department? Provost? Just go with what the source says and avoid all that. RoySmith (talk) 13:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Actually, that wasn't my concern. My concern was how to treat the lead considering she is deceased but we only know her date of birth and not her date of death. Seeing "Sri Jumahaliah Hanifa Wiknyosastro (born 7 November 1924) was" feels weird to me and I'm not sure if this is the standard way of introducing deceased figures who have a known birth date but not a death date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I don't know the answer to that. I've asked at WT:WikiProject Biography RoySmith (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 29

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Carl Vincenti

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Young Maasai man
Young Maasai man
Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 29 past nominations.

Munfarid1 (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting life and work, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I prefer the original, as closely connected to the image which is licensed and gives a good idea of what he did. I suggest to add a year, to place it in time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Gerda Arendt:, I added the year 1900 to the first hook, as you suggested. Munfarid1 (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5Just added the source for the selected hook below. Hopefully this nom is now RTG.Munfarid1 (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Munfarid1: Forgot my signature. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This also needs to be noted: the originally promoted hook was rejected after promotion per another WT:DYK discussion. It is now supposed to run with the following hook:
  • ... that Carl Vincenti's posing of indigenous people in studio portraits (example pictured) contributed to the stereotyping of Africa and Africans?
  • Source: A study of racial stereotyping with reference to the territory of the modern state of Rwanda ... discussed a picture postcard published by Vincenti as an example. [1] ]
Per the consensus at the WT:DYK discussion, the old options have been struck and this will be the hook that will run once the issues are resolved. For what it's worth, I saw no issues with the original hook, but the consensus was to move away from it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Munfarid1: Have the issues been resolved? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5:- Yes, I added a clear source to the "issue" that another user referred to more than a week ago, asking them, if this has resolved this issue. Since they have not replied, I think this nomination is ready to go. - Thanks for your assistance in promoting this DYK, that already had been cleared by more than one reviewer before. Munfarid1 (talk) 11:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru and RoySmith: Pinging for input if the issues have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to leave this for somebody else. RoySmith (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 30

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St Peter's Cathedral, Likoma

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St. Peter's Cathedral pictured c. 1909
St. Peter's Cathedral pictured c. 1909
  • Source: "It is about four and one half miles long and two and one half miles wide. Likoma and neighboring Chizumulu, seven miles farther west, are the only significant islands in Lake Malawi" (page 85)... "Together with its chapel, library, chapter house and cloisters, the building's area exceeded some 37,000 square feet" (page 93)... "Even in the 1920s, the cathedral was believed to be 'the single largest building in Central Africa' (Dale 1925, 195)". (pages 93-94) From The Steamer Parish, by Charles Good: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Steamer_Parish/8y8XSs9xIEIC
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: An alternative color image is available at .
Created by Dclemens1971 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:22, 31 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article meets expansion and length criteria. All sources are fine, a few more wouldn't hurt though. Earwig picks up one paragraph that needs a bit more rephrasing, but it does pass, please do rephrase this one section. I fixed a small grammar issue with the hook. The historical image is nice. Please expand a bit more if you're able to make completely sure it passes the expansion requirement, its very close to the limit. John Cummings (talk) 09:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 and John Cummings: The current hook is 195 characters long and thus very close to the 200-character limit. Can hook be trimmed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@John Cummings and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the review! I tried to trim slightly but the wiki markup for superscript still takes up characters. This is two characters shorter: "that when the 3,400 m2 St Peter's Cathedral was built on tiny Likoma Island, just 18 km2 in Lake Malawi, it was believed to be the largest building in Central Africa?" I also looked at the Copvio Detector and everything it flagged was inside of three short quotations and thus should be in compliance with MOS:QUOT, but let me know if there was something specific you saw that wasn't in quotation marks. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is still far too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:49, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: The interestingness of the hook, to me, is in emphasizing the mismatch between the large size of the building and the small size of the island. Obviously we could trim the hook by eliminating the references to the sizes of the island and building, but I do think it loses a bit of the punch. The alternative would be ... that when St Peter's Cathedral was built on tiny Likoma Island in Lake Malawi, it was believed to be the largest building in Central Africa?, which is 140 characters. I will leave to you and @John Cummings: to decide if that is superior to the version that includes size figures. Whatever you decide is fine with me! Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:56, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dclemens1971 sorry I missed this, what do you think about... that when the 3,400m² St Peter's Cathedral was built on the tiny, 18km² Likoma Island, it was believed to be the largest building in Central Africa? (please excuse the lack of formatting). Also Narutolovehinata5 is it ok to use these abreviations for square meters at km in DYK? John Cummings (talk)

John Cummings OK by me! Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:36, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Dclemens1971 great, can you add it as the hook and ping me when done? John Cummings (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
John Cummings Done! Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much Dclemens1971, Narutolovehinata5 I believe we are done? Is there anything else I need to press to approve this? John Cummings (talk) 09:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I actually think leaving out the figures would be better since they make the hook shorter and less distracting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Narutolovehinata5 sorry to not be clear, I meant is there anything else I need to technically do to approve the nomination? John Cummings (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not the reviewer, you are, so if everything looks good on your end and you've checked all of the DYK criteria, the work is that. Having said that, I'd advise going with only the shorter version and not the one with figures for reasons I said above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your help Narutolovehinata5, I really appreciate it. Honestly I don't have a strong opinion on including the numbers and they don't use up a lot of characters, Dclemens1971 what is your preference? John Cummings (talk) 11:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Cummings I'm fine either way. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:44, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, lets just go with the units included, it only adds a few characters and the size of the building is impressive :) John Cummings (talk) 17:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could just leave it to the promoter. From what I recall, it's actually rather uncommon for building hooks to include the figures unless the figures themselves were essential to the hook fact (and this arguably isn't). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, works for me :) John Cummings (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dclemens1971 This was pulled from the queue per Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in "Did you know ..." under Next-but-one DYK. SL93 (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, "believed to be" doesn't meet the definition of WP:WEASEL here since that's the exact line from the source supplied above: "Even in the 1920s, the cathedral was believed to be 'the single largest building in Central Africa' (Dale 1925, 195)". Is there no way to save this? @Amakuru: @RoySmith: There was a shorter ALT hook offered that did not refer to the numbers: ...that when St Peter's Cathedral was built on tiny Likoma Island in Lake Malawi, it was believed to be the largest building in Central Africa? Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd definitely go with the shorter version (Dclemens1971: it is convention at DYK to set off all suggested alternates in the "* ALTx:" style to make them easier to see and give them unique names to refer to later). As for the "East Africa" vs "Central Africa" part, I'm not too worried about that. It's a direct quote from the source, and we generally follow the source's lead. For all we know, in the 1920's, the terms "East Africa" and "Central Africa" may have had different definitions, or maybe no exact definitions at all. RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not at all obvious from what's written who "believed" it to be the largest. At the very least, per WP:INTEXT, this needs an attribution.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Más Notícias

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  • ... that an 1895 painting (pictured), depicting a woman clutching a crumpled letter, was described by a critic as "a list of disasters"?
Created by Cathodography (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Cattos💭 15:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - Not cited inline in the article itself, but that is an easy fix.
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great job with the article! I am not usually a painting connoisseur, but I enjoyed reading this one. Definitely think the hook is interesting. It might be even better without the appositive to get to the interesting part as fast as possible (e.g. ... that a 1895 painting (pictured) was described by a critic as "a list of disasters"?), but that is up to you! I was unable to do many plagiarism spot-checks, as I don't speak Portuguese, so I am certifying a lack of plagiarism on AGF. But otherwise, looking great, and a big thank you for your translation work! We always need more translators :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:20, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your positive review, @HouseBlaster:! You might've missed it, but it is cited in the article, no? It appears in the "Reception and legacy" section, before that one quote. Although I approve your suggested minor adjustment above. Cattos💭 02:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cathodography: Is ref 33, Moraes 1895, p. 1, the reference? The block quote doesn't contain the text "a list of disasters". Per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Articles, The hook fact should be cited in the article, no later than the end of the sentence it appears in. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HouseBlaster: Yes, Moraes 1895, p. 1 is the reference. I did not notice that you were refering to that guideline. Do you think it is satisfactory now? Cattos💭 03:06, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome work! for ALT0. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Shouldn't the article before 1895 be "an"? When you spell it out, it would be "an eighteen ninety-five painting"; therefore, "an". Cielquiparle (talk) 19:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes; thanks for catching that. I have silently corrected the typo in the approved hook; no need to be bureaucratic about it. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cathodography, HouseBlaster, RoySmith, and Ganesha811: I've pulled this hook due to the hook seemingly being directly at odds with the article. I would've normally just fixed it, but I'm not sure the fix would've been that interesting, so I'll leave it up to y'all to decide the best way to go forward from here. It was only on the MP for six hours, so I'm fine giving it another run :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. Looks like the wording in the article was changed after it was approved, changing the meaning significantly. Was this just a bad translation? RoySmith (talk) 09:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Cathodography it looks like you handled the translation. Was this an automated machine translation, or did you translate it yourself? RoySmith (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: I normally don't use machine translations, but since this is an article about a painting, I used an automated machine translator in some parts of the Portuguese article, but still managed to translate the rest of the article myself. I am sorry for the accidental mistranslation that I have done. If still acceptable, the hook should be ALT0A: ... that an 1895 painting (pictured) stood out to a critic who described the artist's previous works as a "list of disasters"? Cattos💭 21:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pholidoteuthis adami

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  • ... that the male pink scaled squid Pholidoteuthis adami mates upside down, and mates for longer than other species of squid?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Would be better if here was an image of the behavior, but the licensing is hard to find (citation has a NOAA image, but paper isn't open access)
Created by Anthropophoca (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Anthropophoca (talk) 11:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - The hook should specify how much "longer" the pink scaled squid mates in comparison to other species of squid. As quoted in WP:DYKINT: The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Anthropophoca: New enough (created March 30), article is long enough, NPOV, hook is cited to a RS and QPQ is not needed. Earwig shows a "violation unlikely" result with 7.4% similarity. However, there are a couple of issues that need to be addressed before it can meet the standards for DYK. The article includes a few claims that require additional sourcing, particularly the details about the prolonged mating behavior of the male squid and its comparison to other species. To meet WP:DYKCITE, the article should address the "[verification needed]" and "[additional citation(s) needed]" templates and ensure that all facts are properly referenced.

While the hook mentions that mating is prolonged, it could be clarified further ("mates for longer than other species of squid" is vague—how much longer?). Specifying how much longer this mating process lasts compared to other squid species would help eliminate any ambiguity and strengthen the hook. Additionally, the subject of the hook, "pink scaled squid", should be boldlinked to the article Pholidoteuthis adami for consistency with DYK guidelines. For example, may I suggest an alternative hook for ALT0A: "... that the male pink scaled squid mates upside down and holds the female for a prolonged period, much longer than other squid species?". Cattos💭 15:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cathodography: Is it not ok if the hook is vague, but the details are further explained in the article? The original source had this to say on the matter "During in situ observations with the ROVs, both pairs were encountered very close to the bottom but not resting on it. The bright lights of the ROV did not seem to disturb the mating pairs at all. The first pair was recorded for 18 s; the second for 1 min and 50 s", which to me sounds like they did not record the mating process in its entirety.
The comparison with other squid species is made here: "Because spermatangia have been found implanted seemingly nonselectively at various locations on some mated female deep-sea squid, mating is thought to happen quickly (1, 1). In P. adami, however, mating is not swift. The P. adami male was seemingly holding the female very firmly, and mating was prolonged. The opening of the terminal organ of the museum specimen is narrow and suggests that only one spermatophore is released at a time....The successful implantation of 15–20 spermatangia probably takes some time." The other squid species in question is Octopoteuthis deletron, whose page is explicitly linked in the relevant segment of the DYK candidate, and the page on O. deletron also mentions the mating behavior.
Hence, I do not think that the hook needs to explain the phenomena in its entirety, though I'm always open to differences in wording, and perhaps i should explain exactly how many spermatangia were implanted in the museum specimen. I will track down the additional citation needed, though i suspect that the second citation on that page already gives enough information. Cheers, Anthropophoca (talk) 15:51, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I've addressed the issue, though as stated in the hidden comments, I believe the article could use the recordings of the mating process, which should be in the Public Domain (Sourced from NOAA), but I couldn't verify the copyright at this time. Help to upload and verify this video would be greatly appreciated.Anthropophoca (talk) 16:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. Sorry for wasting your time. I believe that the nomination is good to go now. Cattos💭 16:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anthropophoca and Cathodography: I don't see how the cited sources verify "longer than other species of squid". Since they are talking about how difficult it is to observe squids mating, this makes it sound like it would be hard to have a frame of reference for their mating behaviors in general. Rjjiii (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: The hook is a bit vague, I'll admit, but the "other squid species" being referred to is Octopoteuthis deletron, which you might recognize as the bisexual driveby-mating squid. You're right that i would need to add references to other species, and i'll add a passage referring to the hectocotylus of other squid shortly.Anthropophoca (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cattos, I don't understand how you approved a hook that wasn't properly formatted: the article being nominated needs to have a bold link to it at the very least! I've addressed this now, but please be sure that hooks meet the DYK formatting requirements before approving a nomination. Thanks. Rjjiii, I see that the nominator added some material back on April 27; if that satisfies your concerns, might you be willing to approve the nomination anew? Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, my concern is with the "longer than other species of squid" wording which is still used in the hook, Rjjiii (talk) 06:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rjjiii How should i go about altering the hook then?Anthropophoca (talk) 23:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Anthropophoca and BlueMoonset: I don't have a specific suggestion, but it needs to be worded in a way that a reader could verify the hook from a cited source in order to meet WP:V. In this case, the source would support something like:

  • ALT1 ... that the male pink scaled squid Pholidoteuthis adami mates upside down to extend mating duration.

Feel free to cross that one out if you are not interested in using it, Rjjiii (talk) 05:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rjjiii Would changing the source work out? This article mentions the fact that mating is longer than expected and quotes one of the authors of the paper, and it is already a citation on the page supporting the passage.Anthropophoca (talk) 12:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anthropophoca: I still don't see "One thing that surprised pretty much all of the cephalopod people was how long the mating process lasted. In this species the spermatophores inject sperm deep into the muscle of the female’s dorsal mantle. Because of this we guessed their mating was a really quick process in which the male darts in, shoots the female and then leaves. The video reveals it is a long process where the male is basically hanging on motionless for a long time." as supporting the original hook. I'd suggest posting to WT:DYK to get some input from folks on possible hooks. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 03:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 2

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Big Four (cycling)

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  • ... that journalists have described cycling's Big Four riders as having a "lockdown" on winning the sport's biggest races?
Moved to mainspace by Verylongandmemorable (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Verylongandmemorable (talk) 18:34, 3 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

 Reviewing... it's been two weeks without comment, so I will do the review myself. Flibirigit (talk) 22:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ?
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article was moved to the main space on April 2, and nominated within one day for DYK. Length is adequate. There is one citation needed tag in the "Origin" section for a direct quote. The prose in the "Career statistics" section has no citations. Also, please clarify the source(s) for the results in the "General classification" and "Major championships" sections. The article is neutral in tone, and I found no plagiarism concerns. ALT0 is an interesting hook. It is mentioned and cited in the article and verified by the source. ALT1 is a bit confusing, since it is not clear with is "the top level", and I cannot find where it is mentioned or cited in the article. All of the images used in the article are in the public domain on the Commons. QPQ is not required. Overall, this is a good attempt for the first DYK nomination. Some attention to sourcing is necessary. I look forward to seeing this on the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 23:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your review! I believe I've fixed the two citation issues: the first was just my mistake in using quotes, I was trying to highlight that I was referring to the term Big Four, so I've replaced with italics, per my understanding of MOS:ITAL and WP:WORDISSUBJECT. For the "Career statistics" section, I've added references to the prose for the overall summary statistics, and references to a reputable cycling database (procyclingstats) for all four rider's results. For ALT1, by "top level" I was referring to the UCI WorldTour, which is the top level of men's cycling. I worried that using "UCI WorldTour" in the hook wouldn't be meaningful to a non-cycling audience, but it is the most explicit/verifiable phrasing. Please let me know if there's anything else to fix! Verylongandmemorable (talk) 00:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The source of the first sentence in the "Origin" section is still unclear. The only citation in that paragraph mentions the term Big Four, but it does not specifically state "began appearing in cycling media in 2024", nor does it state "particularly in the lead up to the 2024 Tour de France". If such a specific source cannot be found, I suggest rewording the sentence. It would also be beneficial to have more than one reliable source describing the Big Four, as opposed to just one article at this time. ALT1 still cannot be verified since there is no corresponding mention of "top level" in the prose. Without such mention, the hook will be rejected. The citations for the charts are helpful, but one paragraph in the "Career statistics" section has no clear source. Flibirigit (talk) 01:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are some suggested sources [5][6][7] which also mention the term Big Four, for adding into the "Origin" section. It is best to have mutliple reliable sources to define the term, which is the key point of this article. Flibirigit (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the source suggestions! I've re-written the Origin paragraph to be more neutral and have more references for early uses of the term. On your suggestion, I also added a note to the lead of the article, which has multiple independent sources both analyzing the term and showing widespread use in coverage of cycling. I will address the sourcing in "Career statistics" section tomorrow. I understand that ALT1 is not verifiable in its current form, that's my fault for bad phrasing. It seems like you are happy with the first hook though? If not, I can try to come up with more alternatives. Verylongandmemorable (talk) 06:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The changes look promising. Will review in more detail tomorrow. I have struck ALT1, but remain open to new hooks and ALT0. Flibirigit (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, have you gotten a chance to review? I've added sources to the "Career statistics" section, supporting the Olympic/world championships paragraph. Verylongandmemorable (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Not yet. Will do tonight or tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This nomination is placed on hold, pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Four (cycling). I suggest focusing on getting more reliable sources to support the origin and notability of the term Big Four. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 22:49, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 3

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Rule of inference

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  • Source: Shapiro, Stewart; Kouri Kissel, Teresa (2024). "Classical Logic". The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Metaphysics Research Lab, Stanford University. § 3. Deduction.
Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 30 past nominations.

Phlsph7 (talk) 09:14, 4 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: @Phlsph7: The hook facts have to both be 1) cited in the source, and 2) cited in the Wikipedia article. Viriditas (talk) 00:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Viriditas and thanks for taking a look at this nomination. For ALT0, the relevant passage in the article is "Classical logic prohibits contradictions because classical rules of inference lead to the principle of explosion, an admissible rule of inference that makes it possible to infer from the premises and . Since is unrelated to , any arbitrary statement can be deduced from a contradiction". I chose the arbitrary statement "the Earth is flat" to make it more concrete, but any other statement would also work. For ALT1, the relevant passage in the article is "Every argument following a rule of inference can be transformed into a tautology". Both passages are supported by reliable sources. I could look up the sources to provide quotes if there are concrete doubts. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Review needed. Viriditas (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - 0:N, 1:Y
  • Interesting: No - 0:Y, 1:N
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hook ALT0 does not appear in the article or citations. Yes, I read the paragraph above that "any arbitrary statement can be deduced from a contradiction", but the rules for hooks are "Hooks should be definite facts that are verified by citations in the article. Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." It is a fact, but, since basically any statement can be inserted in place of "earth is flat", it is not a definite one. And only a reader with special knowledge or interest in formal logic would understand that "earth is flat" is an example of "any arbitrary statement", and that reader would not find this specific example interesting. A reader without special knowledge would find this an interesting hook, but would be hard put to find "earth is flat" in the article, as they might not identify it with "any arbitrary statement", and the article is large.

  • Hook ALT1 has the opposite problem: yes, it can be easily found in the article, and might even be interesting for readers interested in formal logic, but a reader without special knowledge or interest will read it as "words-I-don't-know can be transformed into another-word-I-don't-know" and their eyes will glaze over.
  • Apart from the hook, it bothers me that the article title is "Rule of inference" while the term used is throughout the article, and in this DYK nomination, is "Rules of inference". If the term is generally used in the plural, we should make our article title be the plural, for example Americans; if the term is generally used in the singular, we should generally use it that way in the article. I'm not sure whether "article is poorly titled" is a formal blocker for DYK, but it really should be.

A hook that can be found in the article and citations and is interesting to a general audience is a formal requirement, though hopefully easily fixed. Maybe even just rephrase ALT0 to the general case, something like "...logicians can use a contradiction in roi to prove anything", which is more easily found in the article/citations. Or something about the many systems of logic, or fallacies, those are generally interesting to laypeople. GRuban (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 6

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Easter Oratorio

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Nikolaikirche, Leipzg, in 1749
Nikolaikirche, Leipzg, in 1749
  • ... that the first known collaboration of Bach and Picander resulted in the Shepherd Cantata and, mostly with the same music, the future Easter Oratorio, first performed at St. Nikolai (depicted) for Easter 1725? Source: several
    • Reviewed: Carl Vincenti
    • Comment: I would like this for Easter, 20 April. It's taken by a GA reviewer but not yet GA, but we can already think about it.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2141 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • The currently proposed hook is somewhat complicated and hard to read. May I suggest a shorter and simpler hook?
ALT1 ... that in contrast to Bach's Christmas Oratorio, his Easter Oratorio has no Evangelist narrator providing Biblical text?
One of my other concerns with the original hook is that it is also reliant on knowing who Picander is; Bach is obviously a well-known name even to the general public, but Picander is less so. I'm trying to come up with a shorter/simplified version of ALT0 that's also less reliant on knowing who Picander is, but I'm drawing a blank, so if you don't mind, I'm asking 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 to propose a shorter/simplified version of ALT0 for the benefit of the reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We would miss 1) the quirkiness that Bach found the same music suitable for shepherds male and female exchanging pleasantries and Biblical characters facing the empty tomb, 2) the 300 years anniversary, and 3) the first collab with Picander, the author of the St. Matthew Passion and probably the Christmas Oratorio, so good to know, - I didn't know. Also: ALT1 has no music whatsoever, just a dry formal aspect. Interesting? It also tells much more about the Christmas Oratorio than the other to those who didn't know that, and almost nothing to those who knew that already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In ALT0, you might skip the church, of course, especially as it was performed in the other the same day, but it forms the link to the image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Let me read this article over later tonight or maybe tomorrow afternoon. Honestly, I don't think the quirkiness really comes through in the prolix ALT0. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: How do these wordings sound?
ALT0a ... that Johann Sebastian Bach and his frequent collaborator Picander wrote an oratorio for Easter?
ALT0b ... that Johann Sebastian Bach and his frequent collaborator Picander wrote an oratorio for Easter, which premiered at Leipzig's St. Nikolai church (depicted) in Easter 1725?
If they don't work out, maybe we will need to move on from this particular angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both factually wrong, sorry. How about reading the article (which isn't even GA yet)? Bach had no idea about any oratorio until 10 years after this happened. This piece was named oratorio 13 years later (and it's debatable if it even is one, - not much changed from the cantata is was in 1725, just the name and a bit of scoring). Collaboration wasn't yet frequent, and their greatest work together came three years later. This is the beginning! Which I believe is interesting! More interesting that they did something very clever: use the same music for both a scenic dinner entertainment about shepherds here and an Easter cantata there! This cleverness should show, and if you can word it better than I could you can make me happy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Gerda Arendt: Before this nomination can continue, I need to point out an issue with this article. While working to add new information, I discovered that the article conflates two related, but separate pieces of music: the Easter Cantata and the Easter Oratorio. The article appears to be about the latter, but the "History" is devoted solely to the former (and its secular model). If it's OK with Gerda, I may need to substantially modify the "History" section. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly: those two pieces are not very different. Secondly: it is mentioned in lead and history that in 1738, Bach wrote a new score, with a few modifications, and then called it Oratorio. The article title is the latter for several reasons: most recordings use that, it's less German, and it was the title when I met the article. - Go ahead, but please don't tell me it's conflating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Gerda, they still are two different scores, composed for separate occasions, and with separate performance/reception histories. It's not me saying this (I'm, admittedly, not too familiar with a lot of Bach's music)—it's Christoph Wolff. While he does say that the modifications Bach made were relatively few, the ones he did make were, according to Wolff, "quite remarkable" and that it changed the character of the music from theatrical to devotional. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"from theatrical to devotional": that is his interpretation of Bach in 1938 omitting the names of characters and just assigning voice parts, which is in the article. Dürr says about the same. It doesn't change the music. It's still dance music. - There is no reception history of the cantata, as for practically all his church cantatas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I'm just the messenger. Please kindly convey your disagreement in written form to Dr. Wolff, c/o W. W. Norton & Company. :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No ;) - I found and added a source that everybody can see, by Wolff, 2010, about a "trilogy of oratorios". It has the dates of two of them wrong (saying 1735 instead of current state of the art 1738). Bach Digital (not I) corrected Mr. Wolff. His ideas are interesting, but need to be put in perspective. As I tried to say: that Bach omitted the names is fact, that it means from theatrical to devotional is interpretation which I avoided. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24 What exactly is the issue here? Are you saying that Gerda is engaging in WP:SYNTH? Or are you saying the history section is WP:UNDUE or in error? If what Gerda is saying is true, then Bach merely recycled an older work and made modifications to it. This happened a lot in the baroque and classical eras, and we often cover pieces like this together in history sections in order to provide context. For example the article on the aria "Lascia ch'io pianga" also covers the earlier aria " "Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa" because they have almost identical music (some minor instrumentation differences), but different text, and it covers the even earlier instrumental sarabande from Almira from which the melody originated. This seems like a similar situation where an earlier piece was reworked and put in a new context. The newer piece evolved from the older one, and the history section should cover this. One can't understand the later work properly if one doesn't have the context of the older work from which it was taken. I'm not convinced that the history section as presented is either inaccurate or undue or original synthesis. Lastly, Gerda is extremely well read in Bach literature/scholarship, and is active performer in a Bach ensemble. Much of our coverage on Bach and his works has been written by her (particularly the many Bach cantata articles). So if she's saying something in a text is outdated or in error when it comes to a Bach related article I at the very least would stop, listen, and look at the evidence. Bach is her area of expertise.4meter4 (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

it's GA now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. @Narutolovehinata5 and Gerda Arendt I think too many facts are thrown into the original, and that the alt hooks unfortunately are inaccurate because they miss the nuances of the way this work evolved over time and the extant to which Picander was involved with the work at different stages. I don't think mentioning the church is needed because its inclusion is not adding interest and is distracting from the article being featured. For classical musical buffs, we all know about Bach's lengthy tenure at the St. Nicholas Church and St. Thomas Church, Leipzig so it seems extraneous, and for those who aren't classical music buffs it seems trivial. I would oppose using this photograph as well because the image has nothing to do directly with the oratorio. The painting dates to nearly 25 years after the composition premiered, and is very nominally relevant to the oratorio. I propose the following hook below.4meter4 (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alt0c ... that the Easter Oratorio (1734) recycled music from the Shepherd Cantata which was the first known work produced by Johann Sebastian Bach with his frequent collaborator Picander?
I'm confused with the above 4meter4: so basically, the article is just fine and there's nothing to worry about the issues CT raised, and instead the main issue here is the hook? Having said that, ALT0c sounds okay. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0C is factually wrong because there was no Easter Oratorio in 1725. Bach's earliest oratorio dates from 1734. As the article says. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt Than the info box in the article is either in error or confusing and needs to be fixed to say the premiere was in 1734. If you want to make a distinction with the cantata you need to make a clear differentiation in the infobox which is about the oratorio. @Narutolovehinata5 It just passed a GA review. I, nor the GA reviewer, am not seeing a problem. CT hasn't replied back here, and honestly I don't think that CT has truly read all of the literature here and is not necessarily forming an opinion based on all of the materials. The issue appears to be based on a single scholar's work, which apparently has been corrected as being in error in newer materials used by Gerda that has better more accurate scholarship. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, given the concerns raised with ALT0, I've struck it. Both commenters have suggested that a snappier wording is needed, possibly one that only mentions the essential details. @4meter4: Is the only issue with ALT0c what Gerda raised, or it's actually correct and it's the article that's currently wrong? If this is resolved, we can probably request a new review for ALT0c (or whatever revision to it). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I thought the development of the oratorios was clear now but will have to expand it further, also the infobox. It was the Christmas Oratorio, Bach's first oratorio, that premiered in 1734. The Easter Oratorio, under this name - well, actually in Latin - was premiered in 1938. However, the cantata premiered in 1725 was basically the very same music, which Bach was able to repurpose to the oratorio concept without major changes because, as the Shepherd Cantata, it had been theatrical from the start, and so was Bach's earliest oratorio (just not named so), before the St Matthew Passion even, with that same Picander.
Dropping the pic wish (motivated by the wish for both more prominence and a clear placement at a glance in the 18th century):
ALT0d: ... that the first known collaboration of Bach and Picander resulted in the Shepherd Cantata and, mostly with the same music, the future Easter Oratorio, first performed for Easter 1725?
The following might be clearer regarding the 1725 event being the future Easter Oratorio, but would miss saying that the 1738 music was still "mostly the same":
ALT0e: ... that the first known collaboration of Bach and Picander resulted in 1725 in the Shepherd Cantata for a birthday and for Easter, mostly with the same music, the future Easter Oratorio?
I thought about including that it was Picander who would write the St Matthew Passion, to clarify why he is important, but wasn't able to do that on top of the complexity that comes from three stages of the Easter music (well, actually four stages, the last with no more chorus, so more oratorio style even, not mentioned).
That's as concise as I can get including three stages of one music, important per music history and a high holiday and a centenary, and saying something about the early beginnings (two years before the St Matthew Passion) of Bach and Picander working together cleverly and the future Easter Oratorio. All sources call underrated. It should be known more. Improvement of hooka ia welcome, but not shortening to being wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issues with ALT0d/ALT0e are: 1. they require familiarity with Picander; again, while Bach is reasonably well-known, Picander is less so, so at least some context as to who Picander is would be necessary, and 2. they don't exactly flow very well. It might be hard to understand for you as English is not your first language, but the grammar is a bit on the clunky side and also long. I still think ALT0c (assuming it has no more remaining factual issues, or is otherwise modified to address them) flows better and largely gives the same idea. @4meter4: can you please modify ALT0c to address any remaining factual issues, or perhaps you can edit the article to address any remaining concerns? Both CT and 4meter4 expressed concerns about hooks being too wordy, and ALT0c at least strives to address that concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0c is wrong as it's written because there was no idea of any oratorio by Bach in 1725. Misleading. - You and I will not agree that any hook requires to be already familiar with anything linked, here Picander, just the opposite: he is mentioned to arouse interest in him, the person without whom we would not have the St Matthew Passion. (Did you see how many clicked on Pavarotti yesterday?) There is a link. Many will already know the name as he is supposed to have written the Christmas Oratorio also. The early collaboration, before all of the other masterworks, and then with the clever plan to use the music for both Shepherds' flattery and followers' missing of Jesus, is interesting, and for me the most surprising and good-to-know news there is about this piece. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alt0f ... that the 1738 Easter Oratorio recycled music from the 1725 Shepherd Cantata, the first known joint work produced by Johann Sebastian Bach and his frequent collaborator Picander?--Launchballer 21:23, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I like the approach. I fixed the year to 1738. However, "recycled" isn't quite right to express that it seems to have been planned from the start that two very different texts should suit the same music for very different occasions, both in 1725, the year of the first collaboration. It's a problem that, while the Easter Oratorio was basically again the same music in 1738, it was already heard without that name for Easter 1925, which is the anniversary, not the other. - Any hook: we should pipe to Bach or J. S. Bach. Compare:
ALT0g: ... that the first known collaboration of Bach and Picander resulted in 1725 in two works with mostly the same music, the Shepherd Cantata for a birthday and the future Easter Oratorio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still think Launchballer's wording is better: it flows better, it puts the Oratorio's name at the start, and "recycled" isn't inherently wrong since it doesn't necessarily mean he copied everything, just that he copied. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not surprised. Could you perhaps also let others comment? Launchballer, for example. There was no "recycling", and certainly not in 1738, when Bach just wrote a new score. But even in 1725, there was no "recycling" (as I understand the word) but a clever plan from the start to use the music for two mightily different purposes. The oratorio has no tricentenary this year but in 2038, - saying 1738 only is misleading, especially regarding the beginning of the collaboration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to please:
ALT0h: ... that in 1725, J. S. Bach used the same music for the future Easter Oratorio and the Shepherd Cantata for a Duke's birthday, helped by librettist Picander in their first known collaboration? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re ALT0e. Content OK, but not snappy, and does not run smoothly.
Re ALT0f. Thanks for that, Launchballer, it might have been OK, but in this context "recycled" has a connotation of shabbiness or laziness. Can you find another word?
Re ALT0g. That would be OK, but it's a bit long and not snappy. Can we just list the new works and leave out the birthday and future?
Re ALT0h. That would run nicely and smoothly if you missed out "in their first known collaboration". The readers can get that bit when they read the article; they don't need it in the hook.
ALT0i: ... that in 1725, J. S. Bach and librettist Picander used the same music for the future Easter Oratorio and the Shepherd Cantata for a Duke's birthday? Storye book (talk) 18:02, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0j: ... that the 1738 Easter Oratorio reused music from the 1725 Shepherd Cantata, the first known joint work produced by Johann Sebastian Bach and his frequent collaborator Picander? Interpolated would work also.--Launchballer 16:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(commenting here at Gerda's invitation). I think the reason this is tricky is because we're trying to squeeze in a lot of interesting info into one hook. I think of all the options, I like this latest by Launchballer (Alt0j, tho I do not understand the numbering system here!) the best. It is the easiest to parse (i.e. not as clunky as some of the options), and does a good job of keeping the most important/interesting information, as well as efficiently clarifying who Picander is. The unincluded info is, IMHO, also interesting, but there's just too much of it (if DYK was 2 sentences I'd say include it, but it isn't). I don't really like the formulations that refer to Easter Oratorio as a relative "future" work; it's the targeted article. I prefer this formulation. FWIW. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0j has a few problems:
  1. Bach comes too late or would you think people would be interested in some Easter Oratorio without composer?
  2. 1738 comes too soon to understand it's 300 years, which was the only reason to expand that article now.
ALT0i has the problem that Picander can't be a subject for the verb "used the same music". Per your suggestion:
ALT0k: ... that in 1725, J. S. Bach used the same music for the future Easter Oratorio and the Shepherd Cantata for a Duke's birthday?
ALT0l: ... that in 1725, J. S. Bach used the same music for the future Easter Oratorio and the Shepherd Cantata for a Duke's birthday to poetry by Picander?
I like ALT0h better because the "first" hints at Picander becoming a regular collaborator. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think 1725 coming after 1738 is a big enough problem that we should refer to the targeted article as a future work. That said, ALT0m: ... that the 1738 Easter Oratorio reused music from the 1725 Bach and Picander collaboration Shepherd Cantata, their first of many?--Launchballer 13:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't think ... but I know that the article expansion happened only because Easter 2025 is 300 years after the first performance of the Easter music, not the Shepherd cantata, and that is missing in ALT0m. Instead, we are made believe that the oratorio was composed in 1738, but it was composed in 1725, - only renamed in 1738, which makes it the earliest-composed of Bach's 3 oratorios, and even earlier than the St. Matthew Passion. Which is interesting, I think. You are good in phrasing: can you try? - Any admin around? WT:DYK#Good Friday needs attention even sooner, like in a few hours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the main issue with these new proposals, particularly ALT0k and ALT0l is that they don't give any context as to who Picander is. It's been a recurring issue with your proposals and is something that isn't ideal, especially when neither Picander nor his frequent collaborations with Bach are necessarily well-known among the general public. For reference, WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE states Make sure to provide any necessary context for your hook; don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject. What may be obvious to you or indeed other classical music experts may not be common knowledge to the general public. I don't see what the issue is with ALT0j: to me at least, the opposition to it feels more like nitpicking rather than any actual hook errors. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a recurring issue that you don't understand that if there is a link, readers don't have to know but can find out. We will have many readers who know who Picander is (or won't care anyway): why bore them in the few characters we have with who he is? It's not sure that he wrote the text for the music heard on Easter Sunday 1725, only most likely. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the harm in at least explaining, even briefly, who Picander is, as part of introducing him. If the point of the hook is to introduce who Picander is, at least mentioning how he is relevant to Bach seems more ideal than just mentioning his name without context; not saying who he is would make readers care less about him. If it isn't sure that he wrote the music for the 1725, wouldn't that put the entire hook's viability into question? Asking 4meter4 again regarding the above claim to clarify if there are indeed concerns about if Picander was involved or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(I see how well you read by saying "If it isn't sure that he wrote the music" talking about Picander.) I came with a good unusual story, the original hook, which tells everybody without special knowledge that 1) there was a great piece performed for Easter 1725 (actually to become one of three oratorios by one of the most celebrated composers ever), 2) that there was some beginning of collaboration of two people, 3) that the piece shared music with another piece of different character, - I think that is interesting information enough, without needing to know who precisely these two people were. - I came to tell a good story for Good Friday (today) about Johannes-Passion (Gubaidulina). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, had you agreed to ALT0f or even ALT0j, the hook would probably already be in Queue right now since multiple editors were fine with it and were ready to agree to it. The apparent nitpicking regarding hook wording, rather than going with an option that already had multiple editors open to it (ALT0j/ALT0f) is what is causing the nomination to get delayed. If the hook ultimately fails to run on Easter, it is not through the fault of editors who did their best to propose and discuss hooks that would have appealed to the general public while also not being too overly detailed or complicated. Considering how it is becoming less likely the nomination will be approved in time: 1. would you be open to agreeing to ALT0j given editor openness to it, so that the hook can run on time, or 2. would you be open to the hook running on any day other than Easter? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:06, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like a hook that is factually wrong. Nothing was recycled or reused in 1738, it happened in 1725. You could still approve j, if you don't see that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was about to approve ALT0j, but right now there's an issue with the article. Actually multiple. Firstly, I can't actually see any sentence in the article, apart from the lede, that outright says the Oratorio reused music from the Shepherd Cantata. Instead, if my understanding is correct, Bach reused the Shepherd Cantata's music for the 1725 Easter Cantata (not Oratorio), which was then reused for the Oratorio. As such, the reuse actually seems to be indirect in this case rather than direct.
In addition, the "Oratorio (1738)" section also does not directly mention that he reused the Shepherd Cantata's music for the Easter Oratorio, but rather he reused the Easter Cantata for that purpose. The sentence stating this, "For Easter 1738, Bach could use the 1725 Easter cantata basically at it was." also lacks a footnote. There's also an inconsistency between the lede and the article: the lede claims that the Easter Oratorio was different from Bach's other oratorios in lacking an Evangelist narrator, but the article only compares it to the Christmas Oratorio and not in general.
Given the issues with the Shepherd Cantata/Easter Cantata angle, we may have to move away from that one. Depending on how the article and lede are reconciled, we could revisit ALT1 and have something like:
ALT1a ... that unlike his other oratorios, Bach's Easter Oratorio does not feature an Evangelist narrator?
If that's not feasible, we may have to go with a completely different angle. I don't think we could go with the Duke's birthday angle as it's still ultimately tied to the Shepherd Cantata. ALT2 might not pass scrutiny as it's technically a hook about song lyrics, a hook format that has been discouraged at DYK due to the association with WP:DYKFICTION. Inviting 4meter4, CurryTime7-24, Launchballer, and Floquenbeam for feedback regarding possible new hook angles/wordings, as well as to address the concerns raised above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to ping Grimes2 as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the concerns raised above, I've struck all hooks reliant on the Shepherd Cantata angle; they can be revisited and unstruck on an individual basis once the issues I raised are resolved. ALT2 is left unstruck as it remains open as an alternative, especially if others disagree with the "use of lyrics in a hook" objection. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the article again. The music for the oratorio is the same (with minor scoring differences) as the cantata. Happy Easter - I celebrate until Tuesday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did, and other than the lede the connection between the Shepherd Cantata and the Easter Oratorio is indirect at best. That has to be made clearer in the article, that that the Oratorio used the Shepherd Cantata's music, rather than the current version where it says so in a roundabout way (it used the Easter Cantata as a basis, which itself used the Shepherd Cantata as a basis). Even if that was resolved, one of the sentences that verifies that fact, "For Easter 1738, Bach could use the 1725 Easter cantata basically at it was," lacks a footnote. Now that I think about it, several of the variations of ALT0 are unsuitable since they actually seem to be more about the Easter Cantata than the Oratorio itself, and generally we want to avoid hooks where the bolded article is only tangentially related to the main hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"For Easter 1738, Bach could use the 1725 Easter cantata basically at it was." - In the table of the music, how many changes are there, things in brackets that indicated differences to earlier versions? (... and one of the changes relates to a change in the 1740s, after oratorio) - I will try clarification, but not today or tomorrow. Church, going outoors and company. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Back to work. After we missed the chance to point at this work on the anniversary we can of course say things unrelated to the anniversary. I gave it a rewrite, with better sourcing. Pick what you like. Most beautiful score. "No Evangelist, no Biblical text, no chorale" if you have to say what it is not. I should probably unwatch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Given the above, right now only ALT1a and ALT2 should remain in consideration as the concerns regarding the Shepherd Cantata angle remain unaddressed. I should point out that the Evangelist angle also still lacks direct referencing in the article, so that will need to be addressed before this is ready for a new review; pinging Grimes2 and Thoughtfortheday to address these concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:36, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know what you expect. That there is no Biblical text includes that there is no Evangelist (who would report Biblical text). Do you need a ref for the other oratorio's having an Evangelist? That could be copied from the other articles. I just find poor to only say what it is not.
    ALT3: ... that the autograph manuscript that J. S. Bach made in 1738 of music he had composed in 1725, calling it Easter Oratorio, has been described as one of his most beautiful scores?
    ALT4: ... that J. S. Bach performed his St John Passion and his Easter Oratorio in 1749, the year before his death?
    He must have loved these two pieces. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3a: ... that J. S. Bach's 1738 autograph manuscript of his 1725 Easter Oratorio has been described as one of his most beautiful scores? Storye book (talk) 10:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for trying, but in 1725, there was no oratorio. (I guess it's the fifths time I write that in this thread.) It's remained the same music but the name came only in 1738, with that copy. I guess I'll have to write a still different lead. Or should I rename the article? See Ascension Oratorio which is only a redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Beginning of the soprano aria, with the end of the first recitative
ALT3b: ... that J. S. Bach's 1738 autograph manuscript of his Easter Oratorio has been described as one of his most beautiful scores (page pictured)?
Thank you, modified for caution, quoting from the article. I don't think that someone not knowing what score means will find an answer in sheet music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the modification. I linked "score(s)" to sheet music because the WP definition includes both handwritten and printed music in that - but mainly because I thought the great unwashed would probably think "score" meant sport/gaming scores, and would not connect it with the autograph manuscript at all. ;-) Storye book (talk) 11:37, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT3b, but I think it would be for the best for this to get a review from an uninvolved and unpinged/non-messaged editor. Having said that, among the available hooks, ALT3b is my favorite. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:26, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is still in need of a full review, ideally from a non-messaged uninvolved editor. ALT3b in particular needs a checking. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Grow up, Naruto. You frequently message CurryTime7-24, 4meter4 and others, openly on Gerda's nominations, for comments which may possibly back up your views, for example views on wordiness. So please stop making snidy, veiled aspersions about other people getting messaged. Note: I have no personal objection to Curry Time and 4meter4, or to their contributions, but if you block people messaged by Gerda, then in principle you are also blocking people messaged by yourself. Therefore I suggest that you withdraw the above comment about messaging. Storye book (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    take it easy, - I didn't even read it this way, I just grinned about generously inviting independent reviewers after having made a personal selection of possible hooks. Who knows, a different independent reviewer might have approved ALT0. Imagine ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's the thing: when I pinged 4meter4 and CurryTime to this nomination, I made it clear that it was only for hook suggestions, and not to review the hooks. Indeed, when I asked for a "non-messaged uninvolved editor", this includes both 4meter4 and CurryTime (as well as Launchballer for that matter), meaning someone who hasn't commented on the nomination yet and wasn't specifically invited to review the nomination. This is to ensure an impartial review regardless of what hook is ultimately picked; it's also one reason I begged off from giving a review myself. In any case, I suggest you modify your comment above as others may consider it as uncivil. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:12, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    What modification do you wish from me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies Gerda: my comment was directed towards Storye book and not towards you. I'm happy with ALT3b and would endorse it being approved if another reviewer says so. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    How could I see that it was for Storye book when you indented as a reply to me? I won't fix it now or my question would look silly. I fixed the bullet though, or my comment below looks silly. There's no rush. Once we missed the 300 years, a day more or less doesn't matter, - Eastertide until Ascension Day. I made my story today about Werner Thissen instead of the Johannes-Passion DYK which should have come on Good Friday, only to find out that his funeral was today, - good timing once in a month, per chance. The clergy was dressed for Easter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess it could be inferred from context, but my intention was for the comment was to have the same indention as your comment that said "take it easy". I guess I accidentally inserted another colon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:35, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You are all invited to leave comments about what could be improved in the FAC. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I added an image which shows more than 1000 words. I know that sheet music is not ideal but this one looks interesting even when small, and would hopefully invite to look at it, which might be more educational than looking at the article. The caption is too long, feel free to trim. I took the liberty to add it next to ALT3b, and fix the ALT. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article now GA. Images are both good. Support ALT3b as that is agreed upon by all. Thriley (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was going to promote this because I think File:Nikolaikirche Leipzg 1749 (Kupferstich) Foto H.-P.Haack.JPG is a great image and wanted to use it. But I see ALT3b is the only hook approved and that uses a different image; one which I think won't work well at all on the main page. Also, I'm currently reviewing this for FAC; I don't think that disqualifies me from promoting it, but instead I'll just leave my comments and hope somebody can find a way to use the better image. RoySmith (talk) 14:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT3c: ... that J. S. Bach's 1738 autograph manuscript of his Easter Oratorio, first performed at St. Nikolai (pictured), has been described as one of his most beautiful scores? (155 characters excl. ellipsis and pictured). Storye book (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • I like it. I'd drop the "J.S." unless you think somebody would confuse him with P.D.Q. RoySmith-Mobile (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • sorry (I meant to unwatch ...) to spoil the fun. ALT3c has the same problem that some earlier hooks had: when this music was first performed at that church (1725) it was not yet named an oratorio (1738), nor had Bach written anything named oratorio (1734). This would be good to know, but can't be seen in the short hook, and even could get us to ERRORS. Minor: when we have a pic of the church, I believe we can have its name (shorter) in German (also a little indication of where this plays, and perhaps include Leipzig). I try to avoid "St." for Protestant churches (as a little indication that this is Lutheran). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • If we being pedantic over the current name being ahistoric to the time of a separately-specified manuscript, could the hook add "what became known as" - I too come here having wanted to promote the hook with the Nikolaikirche image (a lovely image for MP) and seeing it held up on technicality. Kingsif (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          • We could, please word it. I was trained to keep things short, and would much like to illustrate the hook with what it talks about than a connection that's far-fetched and unfair - the same music was played in the other church also, the same day. We could run the church image some other day with some other piece. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt, Thriley, and Launchballer: I've pulled this hook out of concern for the independence of the source, see discussion here. There was talk of another hook being approved? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:09, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning of the soprano aria, with the end of the first recitative
Beginning of the soprano aria, with the end of the first recitative
ALT4: ... that in 1738, Bach wrote a new autograph manuscript (page pictured) of music that he had performed in 1725 and entitled it Easter Oratorio?
Too tired for more detail. The title was in Latin, as the first sentence says, but this is what it means. The pic shows rather objectively that it is beautiful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT5: ... that Bach derived his Easter Oratorio from a piece of theatre with music known as the Shepherd Cantata?
ALT6: ... that Bach's Easter Oratorio has been regarded as a sequel of his St John Passion?
ALT6: ... that Bach's Easter Oratorio has been regarded as a sequel of his St John Passion, "continuing the dramatic narrative but also its theological and musical interpretation"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

África Brasil

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  • ... that África Brasil was recorded with two drummers, two bassists, and many musicians that the producer had to take a crash program in the United States to learn how to record it?
  • Source: https://revistacontinente.com.br/secoes/resenha/africa-brasil-1 "O produtor afirmou que ninguém queria encarar a missão de gravar um disco com duas baterias, dois contrabaixos e mais um monte de músicos. Mazzola foi, então, fazer um curso de especialização nos Estados Unidos e pediu para Jorge esperar sua volta ao Brasil e a importação de uma mesa de 16 canais. Acabou cumprindo, também, o papel de técnico de som, pois o profissional designado não conseguia dar conta do novo equipamento."
5x expanded by Cathodography (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Cattos💭 00:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article expanded 5x within a week of nomination. QPQ good. Article is well-written and well-sourced, hook is interesting. Two things with the hook, though: it seems as if the hook should say "so many musicians", and the source and article seem to indicate "specialized course" rather than a crash course, as linked.~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 03:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Darth Stabro: Thanks for the review and sorry for the late response. I prefer not to use "so many musicians", since the emphasis is more on the unusual configuration (two drummers, two bassists, and others) than on quantity. Though I agree that "specialized course" could more match the source, I was wondering if it might be a little unclear to general readers. Would "recording course" or "technical course" work better for clarity while still staying true to the source? Cattos💭 19:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Butting in to agree with Darth Stabro here; as written the grammar is off. If you want to keep away from the "so many" phrasing, you'll need to revise it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My suggested grammatical improvement: "that as África Brasil was recorded with two drummers, two bassists, and many musicians the producer had to take a crash program in the United States to learn how to record it?" (taking out that)User:D Kirlston - talk 00:07, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dexcom CGM

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  • ALT1: ... that the Dexcom Seven, launched in 2007, was the first CGM system capable of delivering continuous glucose data for a full seven days, doubling the lifespan of its predecessor?
  • ALT3: ... that the Dexcom Follow app enables up to ten designated users—like parents or caregivers—to remotely monitor a person’s real-time glucose readings on their mobile devices?
  • Reviewed:
Created by MallardTV (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MallardTV Talk to me! 23:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: So far so good, article passed minimum length criterion and newness. Source spot checks indicate good results, though I don't think every product name needs to be bolded? I would AGF on the interpretation that "first real-time factory-calibrated CGM system" means "without requiring calibrations". I also endorse the ALT0 hook, though I think it would be much more compact if you end the hook at "...calibrations" (no need for the "thereby eliminating the need for regular fingerstick blood tests?"). Approved! Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:32, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 may be better, it is easily verifiable and just as interesting. MallardTV Talk to me! 13:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion from our Discord discussion:
I think this is just as interesting, shorter, and a bit less promotional. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, I might have trimmed this a bit too much, at the expense of meaning anything to someone unfamiliar with the subject matter. Perhaps a mention or link to type 1 diabetes should find its way back into the hook somewhere. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Graham Rossini

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Moved to mainspace by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 757 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 06:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I'm fairly certain that's not true at all; that Brie was compensated for the article would mean it would deserve {{COI}}, which isn't a disqualifier per WP:DYKCOMPLETE.--Launchballer 16:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It feels like a violation of the spirit of Wikipedia. If this is allowed, then all properly disclosed paid editors could use the front page to promote whatever they wanted. Thriley (talk) 21:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest raising this at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#ASU — disclosed paid editing. For what it's worth, Joe Matesic was passed no questions asked by BeanieFan11 (who I am purposefully not pinging per WP:CANVASS).--Launchballer 17:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, there's no blanket ban against DYK nominations where COI is involved. Things are treated on a case-by-case basis, rather than there being hard rules against it. We did have that issue with TonyTheTiger and his sister a while back, and that nomination was ultimately rejected, but again that nomination was discussed largely on its merits and not solely for being a COI. In this particular case, while Sammi did write the article on the direction of ASU, her nominating the article was done independently and was not a request by ASU. If it had been the latter, then perhaps this nomination would be inappropriate, but in this case, it's just an article she nominated that just happened to be one she made as part of her paid editing work, rather than her being paid to nominate it for DYK. I kinda doubt her ASU superiors even know what DYK is (please correct me if I'm wrong Sammi). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is correct on all counts. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 08:06, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be a community discussion on disclosed paid editors and DYK. I think it would be best to have a complete ban of paid articles on DYK rather than evaluating them on a case by case basis. Brie is an exceptional editor with a long history. To make an exception for her but not other paid editors opens up too many potential time consuming discussions that would be avoided with a simple ban. Thriley (talk) 15:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: If you believe that we need a hard ban on any COI articles on DYK, then please feel free to start an RfC about it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:36, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just did so. Thank you for the suggestion. Thriley (talk) 17:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley: I see that you started the discussion, however it was on Rossini's talk page rather than a page with a wider audience like WT:DYK. If it's possible, I would suggest relocating the RfC. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:39, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Is there another place that would have an even wider audience? The DYK community is fairly small. Thriley (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There probably is, but I think DYK should decide what DYK runs even if it is small.--Launchballer 18:55, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Visit Myanmar Year

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Created by TarheelBornBred (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • WP:QPQ not done (or not linked above), stalled till then, may be quick failed if not completed soon.
Note: I will most probably not be able to review this after QPQ is submitted as I just came across while patrolling. Others can definitely take over this review. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Cottrell

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 326 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: Article was expanded 5 times within 7 days of nomination. Article is more than 1,500 characters in prose and is written in a neutral tone. Earwig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 30.6%, with most of it having to do with direct quotes from Cottrell himself. If there is a way to reduce those, that would be preferable. The hook is a "(subject) is..." quote, but I think it's still interesting because it's notable. National Football League should be wikilinked in the hook, though. A QPQ is still needed at this time. lullabying (talk) 09:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that after his NFL career, Bill Cottrell became a personnel supervisor at the Ford Motor Company?
ALT2 ... that Bill Cottrell helped organize chapel services during his time playing for the Detroit Lions?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I could live with those being the hook, but IMO the original hook is more 'hooky'. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given how that "first" claim was objected to, it might be for the best to move away from it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blu Fiefer

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  • ... that at the age of eight, Lebanese and Mexican singer Blu Fiefer defied a karaoke age restriction to sing a Shakira song? Source: Duparc 2016
    • ALT1: ... that Lebanese and Mexican artist Blu Fiefer chose her stage name, Blu, in 2015 after her manager noted her sadness following a breakup? Source: Duparc 2016
    • ALT2: ... that Lebanese and Mexican hip-hop artist Blu Fiefer incorporates pole dancing into her live performances, an interest that began after she visited a strip club in London? Sources: Nabbout 2019, Altmayer 2019, Mrad 2019
    • ALT3: ... that Lebanese and Mexican hip-hop artist Blu Fiefer incorporates pole dancing into her live performances? Sources: Altmayer 2019, Mrad 2019
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Johann Gottlieb Schwarz
Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 47 past nominations.

el.ziade (talkallam) 10:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

This has been pulled per WT:DYK#Blu Fiefer. Concerns were raised about what exactly the "karaoke age restriction" was since it wasn't described in detail in the article. Courtesy ping to Arconning regarding the pull. @Elias Ziade: Please address or clarify the above concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Sorry I was away. I can add a hook about her poledancing if the ALT one is not interesting enough. I don't have more info about the karaoke anecdote.el.ziade (talkallam) 09:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you propose the poledancing hook first? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:39, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Done; ALT2 is more interesting and ALT3 is more concise.el.ziade (talkallam) 17:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Marva Nabili

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  • Source: "MARVA NABILI, an immigrant film maker from Iran, has written and directed Nightsongs, a fictional portrait of Chinese immigrants in New York. Having spent several years living near and even working in Chinatown, she has compiled a haunting biography of outsiders trying to survive in a new environment. The slice-of-life details are depicted with the immediacy of a documentary using a hidden camera. Being presented as part of public television's American Playhouse series,"
NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 170 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 05:10, 18 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • One suggestion on the hook is to clarify which Chinatown ie "...the struggles of a family in New York's Chinatown." I know it's possible to hover over the link and identify which one it is but I think the additional specificity helps create curiosity. EEHalli (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. I added that to the hook. Thriley (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, is sourced, neutral and plagiarism free. However the lead needs expanding, and I was confused by this sentence "In 1977, at the age of 36, Nabili became the second female director to make a feature film in Iran after Shala Riari's Marjan in 1956, a public failure at the time, of which no trace remains." - it seems to contradict the earlier paragraph about her return in 1975, nor does it specifiy the film. If its the Sealed Soil, then it need integrating into the paragraph on that topic and the chronology of production clarifying. Lajmmoore (talk) 19:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manasse Malo

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  • ... that MP Manasse Malo was beaten 50 times by his elementary school teacher after failing to answer a math question? Source: Halawa, Ohiao (1999). Profil 48 Ketua Umum Parpol RI [Profile of the 48 Chairpersons of the Political Parties in Indonesia] (in Indonesian). Jakarta: NIAS and Kreasi Karya Wiguna. p. 461.
Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 73 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Sammi Brie: I could provide the exact quote of the source for the hook later this day. Anyways I've amended the prose to include the source in the DYK'd sentence. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: @Jeromi Mikhael and Sammi Brie: The hook is unclear due to nuances of the English language. Did he receive beatings on 50 separate occasions, or was it a single occasion on which he was struck 50 times?


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Technical geography

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Improved to Good Article status by GeogSage (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC). [reply]

Sources

References

  1. ^ https://visual-history.de/2024/06/04/peiter-die-ethnogenese-und-der-tutsizid-in-ruanda/
  2. ^ a b c Haidu, Ionel (2016). "What is Technical Geography – a letter from the editor". Geographia Technica. 11 (1): 1–5. Bibcode:2016GeogT..11....1H. doi:10.21163/GT_2016.111.01.
  3. ^ a b c Sala, Maria (2009). Geography Volume I (1 ed.). Oxford, United Kingdom: EOLSS UNESCO. pp. 2, 3, 8, 32, 109. ISBN 978-1-84826-960-6.
  4. ^ a b c Ormeling, Ferjan (2009). GEOGRAPHY – Vol. II: Technical Geography Core concepts in the mapping sciences (PDF). EOLSS UNESCO. p. 482. ISBN 978-1-84826-960-6.
  5. ^ Scheiner, Jens; Toral, Isabel (28 Jul 2022). Baghdād: From Its Beginnings to the 14th Century. BRILL. p. 804. ISBN 978-90-04-51337-2. Retrieved 14 December 2023.
  6. ^ Brentjes, Sonja (2009). "Cartography in Islamic Societies". International Encyclopedia of Human Geography. Elsevier. pp. 414–427. ISBN 978-0-08-044911-1. Retrieved 29 January 2024.
  • Comment: @GeogSage: I can’t speak for others, but I don’t find either of your hooks interesting. Try to come up with others. Viriditas (talk) 01:15, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: @GeogSage: I'm seeing a lot of good, potential hooks in the article. Your section on "Early history and etymology" has quite a few. The material about Eratosthenes, the Ptolemaic tradition, and Islamic geographers could make separate hooks or could even be combined into one hook. Viriditas (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Viriditas:: Thanks for the feedback. This is my first attempt, and I've been trying to think of good ways to respond. Would I put a new one in the comments here, or edit the proposal? GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • @GeogSage: Brief response is best. No need to overthink it. Be yourself. Viriditas (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Viriditas: I think the ALT2 better fits your feedback. Let me know if you have suggestions to refine it. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
            • @GeogSage: You can click on the hook length link up above on the right to see how long your hooks are. Be mindful of the rules. Viriditas (talk) 21:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
              • @Viriditas: Thanks, didn't see the tool. Better? GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
              • @GeogSage: You can shorten it much more, and others will ask you to do so. "... that while technical geography studies the applications of GIS and remote sensing today, it has origins in Ptolemaic and Islamic cartography?" That's 141 instead of 197 characters. Viriditas (talk) 22:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
                • @Viriditas: Thanks! Shortened to 149, would want to specify "medieval" Islamic cartography as opposed to contemporary, for clarity. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
                  • @GeogSage: That's fine. You'll need a proper review now. I will attempt to do so, but it might take me some time. Viriditas (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
                    • @GeogSage: I realize this is your first time at DYK. The process is fairly simple and transparent. The hooks should be easy to find in the article and the sources should easily replicate and support the info. These two things are difficult to determine for all three of your hooks. Sometimes, editors who are faced with this issue will simply kludge the hooks into the article with a cited source. You may find this the easiest option. For the reviewer, we like to see how the sources support the hooks in a fairly overt way. I don't see the exact hooks in your current article (I see parts of them here and there), and it isn't easy to determine if the sources support them. If the simple method I've described up above to kludge the hooks doesn't work for you, you can easily implement a second solution: write a new hook from the source directly and add it to the article, showing how the source directly supports it with a quote. Any way you do it, just remember the process should be fairly transparent for the reviewer so we can easily check the hook and the source. Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Review in progress. Article is new (GA) and long enough at the time of nomination. Earwig report looks good. ALT2 is interesting. The "see also" borders on the absurd, so I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding as to how we use this section. Most of these entries should be deleted. Lead section may be satisfactory for DYK, but as a recent GAN, it should be rewritten to summarize the main points of the article, which at the moment, it does not do. Use of excessively long captions also deviates from best practices. Formatting of book titles, such as Cave 1749, require italics. The date is also wrong. The book was first published a decade earlier; 1749 refers to the second edition. You don't have to type out the entire 18th century title; Geography Reformed (1739) will do as a shortened title. Remove the stray comma from "1749,". The SAGE Handbook of Historical Geography says it was anonymously authored but published by Cave. Presentation is slightly hampered by textual issues with sentences such as "These frameworks were mostly advanced mostly by human geographers..." Also, "While when the term technical geography first entered the English lexicon..." Use of quotations of common words and phrases in the "Early history and etymology" section should be replaced with paraphrasing. Book titles like Geographia and Kitab al-Buldan use italics. Copyedits needed. The section on "Quantitative revolution" is an example of WP:CITEKILL. You don't need or require six citations for two sentences. You can bundle citations or use footnotes if needed. One citation per sentence is generally recommened, two if needed. Viriditas (talk) 01:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 14

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Mike Estep (American football)

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  • ... that football player Mike Estep, who had "the demure of a person who wouldn't hurt a fly," was nicknamed The Terminator?
Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 336 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Not a review, but is the quote really necessary for the hook? Just simply "that American football player Mike Estep was nicknamed The Terminator" would probably be more effective as a hook. Regardless, the hook needs to specify American football given how notoriously vague that word is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:42, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I mean, you could say just that he was nicknamed The Terminator, but I think someone known for "not hurting a fly" having such a nickname is a more interesting contrast. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • The hook quote isn't even grammatical: "demure" is an adjective, and doesn't fit there. If the quote is really necessary (and I'm not convinced it is), then changing the part after the bold link to be "who wouldn't hurt a fly", was nicknamed... Note that Wikipedia uses logical quotations, so the comma would be outside the quote marks. I also don't think "The Terminator" should be in italics, since it's the name of a character in this case, not a movie. Please supply a new hook; I've struck the one that was supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:59, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Future Days (The Last of Us)

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Craig Mazin
Craig Mazin
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Pedro Pascal
Pedro Pascal
Bella Ramsey
Bella Ramsey
Catherine O'Hara
Catherine O'Hara
Young Mazino
Young Mazino
Isabela Merced
Isabela Merced
Converted from a redirect by Rhain (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 90 past nominations.

– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Rhain: One reviewer's opinion about Pascal's performance in "Future Days" may well be fine, but I've added something in the filming section about Isabela Merced and Young Mazino unwittingly becoming [ronroco] thieves against Gustavo Santaolalla during filming: want to swap it out real quick?
...that during filming for The Last of Us's second season premiere, performers Isabela Merced and Young Mazino unwittingly stole composer Gustavo Santaolalla's instrument?
Source: Cosmo
BarntToust 23:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No offense intended—I just don't quite see the interesting aspect or uniqueness in Pedro Pascal being generously lauded—so I offer note of the (accidentally) troublesome antics of the leading performers. BarntToust 23:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting idea—added ALT6. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 15

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Dilaw (song)

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  • ... that "Dilaw" was a dominant song in the Philippines and gained international recognition?
Improved to Good Article status by Royiswariii (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

ROY is WAR Talk! 09:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 17

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Dominic Vairo

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 340 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'd do the QPQ for this nomination. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:11, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is not explained, but a "freshman team" seems to be a different team from the actual team competing in actual competitions that count. Varsity team doesn't explain this that well; the junior varsity term is explained extensively there but there seems to be subtle difference. It seems to be a kind of a reserve team. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Correct, its a type of reserve team. Can you think of a better way to word it in the hook? Perhaps "reserve team" rather than "freshman team"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'd rather link to "Freshman team" to Varsity team#North America, then change "varsity team" in the end to "football team" or even "varsity team". Adding "football" adds another can of worms on referring to what kind of "football" this is (LOL). Understanding this term is key in understanding the hook, and reserve team is mostly in the European POV where a team has a "second team" where it can tap players in cases of injury. This seems to be different as college football programs, while may have other teams, are not allowed to get players from those teams due to scholarship rules. The reader may have an idea where this guy started from the bottom and worked his way up. ALT1 doesn't really mean anything if you do not know who Don Hutson is.
        • I'd get on the rest of the article later this week. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:40, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Furhat (robot)

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The Furhat social robot
The Furhat social robot
  • ... that the Furhat social robot can track facial expressions and interact with up to ten people at once?
  • Source: Biba, Jacob (May 8, 2024). "What Is a Social Robot?". Built In. Retrieved April 10, 2025.
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Invited to submit a fact since article got a B rating in AfC
Moved to mainspace by Viljowf (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Viljowf (talk) 18:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

You can remove it if you think it has no COI concerns. Gheus (talk) 06:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 18

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Hazel Vincent Wallace

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  • Source: Times obituary subhead reads "Indomitable spirit who with the backing of Dame Sybil Thorndike became the first woman to build a new theatre in Britain." https://archive.is/JgL6t

Two 1969 sources from when the theatre opened, which are in the British Newspaper Archive (paywalled) https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000560/19690917/140/0017

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0001180/19690807/138/0015
    • ALT1: ... that in 1969 actor-manager Hazel Vincent Wallace became the first woman to build a theatre in Britain? Source: as per first suggestion
    • Reviewed:
Created by EEHalli (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

EEHalli (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article is new, long enough, and well sourced. WP:DAILYMIRROR is no consensus for reliability, but an uncontroversial article from 1969 seems safe enough. The hook is an exceptional claim but it seems to be well supported by reliable sources, and it is interesting. qpq is not required because the nominator has less than 5 previous noms. BuySomeApples (talk) 10:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EEHalli, BuySomeApples, History6042, Ganesha811, and Fram: reopening this one per issue raised at WP:ERRORS. Fram's objection was: "Rowena Cade built the Minack Theatre in the 1920s. The Royal Shakespeare Theatre was built in 1932 by Elisabeth Scott".  — Amakuru (talk) 16:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it's well-sourced in the article, The Times put this fact as their subheadline. So it seems like either reliable sources got it wrong or Fram did. Not sure what the best course of action here is. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps rephrasing as "...that actor manager Hazel Vincent Wallace became the first woman to build a postwar theatre in Britain?" The adjective postwar qualifies it (and works quite nicely with the uncompromisingly Brutalist design of the Thorndike).EEHalli (talk) 17:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That sucks, there's a lot of reliable sources reporting it but it clearly isn't true. The article should be edited to fix that too now. The rephrased hook sounds a little WP:SYNTHy. Is there any other hook we can use? BuySomeApples (talk) 05:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Destiel

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  • ALT1: ... that Jensen Ackles pretended not to know about Destiel?
  • ALT2: ... that Destiel shippers exist in the Supernatural universe?
  • Reviewed:
Created by Jessica3801 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Jessica3801 (talk) 17:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Lacrateides Relief

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The Lacrateides Relief in 2022
The Lacrateides Relief in 2022
  • ... that the Lacrateides Relief is a large ancient Greek relief depicting the Eleusinian deities and heroes?
  • Reviewed:
Created by Deiadameian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Deiadameian (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

@Deiadameian: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's unfortunate, then. What about "...that the Lacrateides Relief is a fragmented ancient Greek votive relief that was found in sixty pieces?"? Deiadameian (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]
I'll leave it to you, but I'd personally word it as something like: ... the Lacrateides Relief (pictured) was found in sixty pieces? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:37, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two points (not directed at the latter alternative in particular, but the overall wording in both): if I'm understanding the article correctly, the number of extant pieces seems not to be exactly sixty (the surviving fragments, which number about sixty), and I think it's worth considering that "in sixty pieces" could sound as though those sixty pieces constitute the complete relief. The latter would likely be remedied by the presence of the image (if it's used), though arguably one shouldn't need the image to avoid ambiguity. – Michael Aurel (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as there hasn't been any activity here since my last comment, I'll add that I think Deiadameian's first hook was the more interesting one. It was just worded in such a manner that it wasn't comprehensible to the average reader. How about something along the lines of "... that the Lacrateides Relief depicts gods from an ancient initiation cult?" – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine I guess. Deiadameian (talk) 11:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like the new wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trichy assault rifle

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Created by Ominae (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

Ominae (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Tribalistas (2002 album)

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  • Source: Video source "Eu fiz todos os retratos do Arnaldo, Brown e da Marisa com cordas, antes. Era para ser uma capa completamente diferente. Eram com cordas de cavaquinho [...] Era todo um desenho baseado em dobrar cordas de aço." --> "I made all the portraits of Arnaldo, Brown, and Marisa with strings, before. It was supposed to be a completely different cover. They were with cavaquinho strings [...] It was all a design based on folding steel strings."
Improved to Good Article status by Cathodography (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Cattos💭 02:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • The current wording seems to be a bit off since it seems to focus more on Muniz than the chocolate syrup aspect. How do the following rewords sound?
ALT0a ... that Vik Muniz used chocolate syrup to illustrate the cover for Brazilian supergroup Tribalistas' debut album after musical strings did not work?
ALT0b ... that the cover for Brazilian supergroup Tribalistas' debut album used chocolate syrup to illustrate the trio after an earlier attempt with musical strings did not work?
ALT0c ... that the cover for Brazilian supergroup Tribalistas' debut album used chocolate syrup to illustrate the trio?
Admittedly, the first two new options are slightly longer than the original, but they're more intended to put more focus on the chocolate syrup fact than Muniz. Of course, if you prefer the original wording then that's fine. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:09, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cathodography: How does ALT0c sound then? Another issue I had with the original wording is that it wasn't clear what "trio" referred to (it's supposed to refer to the Tribalistas, but the hook did not make it clear that "Tribalistas" was also the name of the group). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:29, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: "Trio" could possibly be replaced by "artists" or "members". If not, I'm fine with ALT0c and your most hookier ALT0b, though you did not link the supergroup Tribalistas in the hooks. Cattos💭 12:51, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I don't think substituting "trio" with either "members" or "artists" solves the issue because, ultimately, the problem is that ALT0 does not make it clear that Tribalistas is the name of both the album and the group. With regards to linking to linking to the group itself in ALT0b/ALT0c, there's really no need per WP:SEAOFBLUE. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:56, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 20

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Lily Vorperian

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  • ... that according to one reviewer, to describe Lily Vorperian's work as embroidery was akin to "calling Coco Chanel a dressmaker"?
Created by GreenLipstickLesbian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 20:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have some concerns about the sourcing (outside the hook sourcing which is fine).
1. There are personal details sourced to a masters' thesis, which would not be considered a reliable source (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP). I looked into this a little as I was concerned that her husband and father have the same first name, certainly not impossible but it caught my eye.
2. Reference 6 makes mention of a piece of art depicting a logo for the Armenian Relief Society, but I did not see this mentioned in the cited newspaper article. Perhaps one of the pictures shows this logo, but that would be original research.
3. Reference 8 is a clip from newspapers.com, but the clipping does not mention Volperian's work.
4. I also don't think it's necessary to cite her daughter's dissertation to indicate the family connection (reference 10).

The article has some sentences that could use editing. For example, 'She carried on embroidering in her adult life and after her move to the United States and, in 1986, took part in a folk arts program in Los Angeles', has and odd combination of 'and' and commas that make it hard to follow. @GreenLipstickLesbian: - can you address these issues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaffodilOcean (talk • contribs) 12:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Naulahka: A Story of West and East

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  • ... that The Naulahka by Rudyard Kipling portrays a young, androgynous American woman who moves to India seeking to alleviate the suffering of women denied access to health care?
  • ALT1 ... that the American protagonist of The Naulahka by Rudyard Kipling reflects Western women who from the 1880s gave relief to Indian women denied access to health care?
  • ALT2 ... that The Naulahka by Rudyard Kipling depicts the barriers Indian women faced to receiving health care and the efforts of Western women to ameliorate their suffering?
5x expanded by Willthorpe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Will Thorpe (talk) 13:47, 20 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 21

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2025 papal conclave

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Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 221 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 22:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1: ... that the 2025 papal conclave was the largest ever?
ALT2: ... that between the time that white smoke was seen at the 2025 papal conclave and the announcement of a new pope, the crowd in St. Peter's Square swelled from 40,000 to approximately 150,000 people?

Miles Caton

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Converted from a redirect by CJ-Moki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

CJ-Moki (talk) 06:14, 25 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

FlexiRide

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  • ALT1: ... that FlexiRide bus services have no fixed route, operating only when passengers book a trip using a mobile app?
  • ALT3: ... that the on-demand bus service FlexiRide began as a trial service in Yarrawonga and Mulwala, replacing the bus network in the two towns?
  • Source: https://www.busnews.com.au/vics-new-approach/ "Yarrawonga and Mulwala, north of Melbourne, will be the first communities to receive a flexible demand response public transport service using existing taxis six days a week...The FlexiRide demand response service will begin operating on November 25 and will replace the current Yarrawonga and Mulwala town bus network...The organisations will be assessing the community’s support of the service over the next 12 months.
- ABC is generally a reliable source when it comes to Australian public transport articles - WP:AUSTS/S
  • ALT4: ... that the Rowville FlexiRide service won the Design award at the 2021 UITP (International Association of Public Transport) Awards?
  • Reviewed:
Created by ThatPB95 Fan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

ThatPB95 Fan (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Sjahriar Rasad

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  • ... that medicine dean Sjahriar Rasad was accused of being involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President Sukarno? Source: Ford Foundation, ed. (2003). Celebrating Indonesia: fifty years with the Ford Foundation, 1953-2003. Jakarta: Ford Foundation. p. 90. ISBN 978-979-97964-1-7. "In early 1961, for instance, a number of people were arrested and charged with being part of a conspiracy known as NIGO (Nederlandse Indische Guerilla Organisatie, the Dutch Indies Guerrilla Organization), which planned to "assassinate the president and take control of authority." One person arrested was UI professor of medicine Sjahriar Rasyad, a radiologist who had never been active in politics. Even though the government could find no proof of his guilt, he was nonetheless subjected to house arrest."
Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 20:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]


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Rae Lil Black

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  • ... that former pornographic film actress Rae Lil Black was featured as a playable character in a turn-based role-playing game?
Moved to mainspace by Soulbust (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Soulbust (talk) 11:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

@Soulbust: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ added; full review needed.--Launchballer 16:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on April 23

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Bob Kercher

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  • ... that for seven years, every American football team Bob Kercher played on went undefeated?
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 346 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Added the word "American" to prevent ambiguity (BeanieFan11, I suggest doing this with all your NFL/American football hooks moving forward given our international audience: Wikipedia is not the USpedia). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Personally, I think if knowing if its American vs. a different football would have no change in the 'interesting-ness' of the hook, it isn't absolutely necessary. I feel like adding "American" sometimes can make hooks too wordy... BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant guideline is this: Make sure to provide any necessary context for your hook; don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But is specifying "American football" every time really something necessary for understanding all (American) football hooks? It'd be remarkable for someone to play for seven straight undefeated teams whether its Australian rules football, association football, or American football. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more for clarity sake. Remember that, for most countries outside the US, Canada, Australia, or Ireland, "football" refers to soccer. So saying that someone is just a "football" player without specifying which football is going to lead to confusion, especially if the rest of the hook does not make it clear that it's referring to American football. Sticking to just "football" and not "American football" would be a case of US-centrism. Arguably, even association football should not be referred to as just "football" in most cases especially when the context is unclear. Actually, the best way to address the issue is to write hooks that avoid using the word "football" entirely, but if it's unavoidable, then specify which one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, this comment is not a case of anti-US bias. If the hook was instead about, for example, Canadian football, Australian rules football, or Gaelic football, I would have made a similar comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If that's to be the rule, and this is not anti-U.S. bias, we should likewise spell out association football, as 400 million American and Canadian readers will assume generic "football" refers to American football (which BTW is never referred to as "American football" in the US or Canada). Cbl62 (talk) 00:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, that is actually what I suggested at the WT:DYK discussion, which is to specify what kind of football is intended regardless if it's gridiron or association. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sculpture Space (Utica)

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Studio and sculptures at Sculpture Space
Studio and sculptures at Sculpture Space
  • ... that Sculpture Space lets artists create large-scale works in a former metalworking shop?
Moved to mainspace by Apocheir (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Apocheir (talk) 17:51, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: @Apocheir: I could be wrong on this, but I doubt they will run your current image unless you do a much closer crop. Later, I could experiment around with this. You could ask on the DYK talk page for some suggestions. Viriditas (talk) 01:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James Koh Cher Siang

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  • Source: This is the first occasion that the scholarships, formerly known as the Yang di-Pertuan Negara Scholarships, are being awarded since Singapore achieved independence in August, 1965.

The winners are...Koh Cher Siang, 20, (Outram Secondary and Raffles Institution)...

"Nine top pupils receive the President's Scholarship". The Straits Times. 24 April 1966. p. 13. https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/article/straitstimes19660424-1.2.20.41
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Created by BenTanXiaoMing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 02:36, 26 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Emperor Yingzong of Ming

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Portrait of Emperor Yingzong of Ming. National Palace Museum, Taipei
Portrait of Emperor Yingzong of Ming. National Palace Museum, Taipei
  • ... that Emperor Yingzong of Ming abolished the practice of concubines committing suicide following the emperor's death?
  • Source: Goodrich, L. Carington; Fang, Chaoying (1976). Dictionary of Ming Biography, 1368-1644. New York: Columbia University Press. p. 293. ISBN 0-231-03801-1.
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Improved to Good Article status by Min968 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Min968 (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

The Rector of Justin

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  • Source: [The Rector of Justin] was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction and the National Book Award for Fiction, losing to Shirley Ann Grau's The Keeper of the House and Bellow's Herzog, respectively. [8] The Rector of Justin still received positive reviews, but at the end of 1964, Francis Brown (The New York Times) drew a distinction between The Rector of Justin and its awards-season competitor, Bellow's Herzog. He explained that the choice between the two reflected a fork in the road for American literature: "There is a conflict of philosophies: belief that life has a purpose, or if it doesn’t, at least the living of life can have some joy to it, contends with insistence that there is nothing to life but the living of it, and that even that is absurd." [9]
  • ALT1: ... that MGM proposed casting Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn for a film adaptation of Louis Auchincloss' novel The Rector of Justin, but the film was never made? Source: Walter Wanger optioned the film rights for MGM. [10] He recruited George Cukor to direct, Samuel A. Taylor to write the screenplay, and Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn to play the leads. However, Tracy was in poor health and the film was never made.Curtis, James (2011). Spencer Tracy. Hutchinson. pp. 821–23. ISBN 978-0-09-178524-6.
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Created by Namelessposter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Namelessposter (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Voluta ebraea

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"A total of 40 egg capsules of V. ebraea were found attached to the green calcareous alga Udotia occidentalis A.Gepp and E.S. Gepp (Fig. 1 A and B) in the same place that V. ebraea adults were found (1 to 2 meters depth in sea grass beds off Paracurú beach, Ceará state, Brasil)."

http://panamjas.org/pdf_artigos/PANAMJAS_19(1)_41-45.pdf

"This species is known to lay egg capsules only on the calcareous green algae Udotea occidentalis (Fig. 1B), "...
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Improved to Good Article status by Daniel Cavallari (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Daniel Cavallari (talk) 13:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is new enough and long enough, recently promoted to GA. I've made a small change in the hook ("Hebrew" is always capitalised). All material is cited to what appear to be reliable sources, and I can see no copyvio or BLP concerns: all images have appropriate licenses. The hook is interesting, though I don't think it fully appears in the article: we have the attachment of V. ebraea capsules to algae, rather than hard substrates like shells, represents a novel ecological observation within the family Volutidae, but I don't see "fan-shaped green algae thalli" anywhere, or indeed in the quotations pulled from the sources here. QPQ needs to be done. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@UndercoverClassicist: Actually, this appears to be the nominator's fifth nomination, so he does not require a QPQ. However, it is his last freebie, so his next nomination will need one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, well spotted -- it does say so in the template. @Daniel Cavallari: we should therefore we good to go once the hook is in the article (and fully sourced). If it's already there and I'm just missing it, could you point me towards it? UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@UndercoverClassicist:Thank you! I've just added it to the Life cycle section! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@UndercoverClassicist:, do you still have reservations on this nomination?--Kevmin § 16:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It still doesn't seem to be stated in the cited source. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:UndercoverClassicist I believe there's a misunderstanding. The references do not mention that the alga's thallus is fan-shaped; they only state that Voluta ebraea deposits its eggs on the thalli. This doesn't change the fact that they are fan-shaped, which can be visually confirmed by the illustration included in the article. This isn't a violation of the Manual of Style due to original research; it's merely a visual observation. If you still believe this is problematic, I can remove it from the hook, but I think it would lose a considerable part of its appeal to the general public. Nevertheless, it's your call. I'd be fine with any of these options. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure there is one -- I've just had a look through and can find the following:
  • This species is known to lay egg capsules only on the calcareous green algae Udotea occidentalis (Fig. 1B), usually one capsule per algae (18.2 – 2.63 mm in diameter)
  • Matthews-Cascon et al. (2010) observed 40 egg capsules of V. ebraea attached to the calcareous green algae Udotea occidentalis
However, I can't find any mention of thalli at all. Is "On algae thalli" just another way of writing "on algae"? As you note, the hook isn't strictly in the cited source, so I'd be inclined to rework it into something that is -- perhaps "on a single species of green algae"? UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Arguably, if you examine the figures in both references, particularly fig. 1B in Meirelles (2024), you'll notice what appears to be an egg capsule attached to the thallus of U. occidentalis. While the thallus itself isn’t explicitly mentioned in the text, the structure shown in the figure is, in my view, unmistakably one. That said, I agree it’s wiser to adopt a more cautious approach and stick strictly to what the sources state. In that case, I believe "on the calcareous green algae" would be the safest and most accurate choice. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 12:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Boyd Jones

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  • ... that when being visited by an NFL scout, college football player Boyd Jones was acting as a coach since the normal coach was missing?
  • Source: GB Press Gazette ("Packer scout Tom Tipps recalls that when he went to see Jones, the offensive line coach at the school was missing and Jones, a four-year starter at tackle, was help-ing coach the younger players.")
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 349 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

David Viaene

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  • ... that in college, football player David Viaene was able to run a mile in equipment faster than some of his team's wide receivers, even though he weighed 285 pounds (129 kg)?
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 348 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Jim Lankas

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  • ... that when tackling, "Jarring Jim" was "mean, very mean, very mean"?
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 347 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Earl Ohlgren

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 345 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Harry Wunsch

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  • Source: p. 42 in pdf (or 40) - he was the only player from South Bend, Notre Dame's location - I think that would meet the description "only local player"
Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 344 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

List of Toronto Marlies head coaches

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  • Comment: Surprised this team has been so great but no results for the coaches ):
Created by TBJ10RH (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

TBJ10RH (talk) 15:09, 28 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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Edgar Matobato

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Mugshot of Edgar Matobato
Mugshot of Edgar Matobato
  • ... that former hitman Edgar Matobato fled the Philippines with a fake passport while posing as a gardener?
Improved to Good Article status by Chlod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Chlod (say hi!) 20:06, 1 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Matthew Wild

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 293 past nominations.

Launchballer 17:27, 1 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

What I said on ERRORS was that I was afraid something like this would happen. How is that interesting? I don't believe he would have been awarded "best staging of the year" for something that harmless. Matthew told a complex (fictive but based on real lives) story of a man fleeing the Nazis, becoming a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and professor of literature in California c. 1960, suffering a creative crisis and leaving everything, returning and then coming out causing a scandal at that time. This complex story-telling in analogy to the medieval character in a crisis and expelled by society (invented in the 19th century) won him the award, but is too complex for DYK rules. Therefore I intentionally did not nominate. Readers might rather be interested in Wild coming from from South Africa and the production at the Frankfurt Opera, again voted "best opera house". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chocolate crinkle

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Chocolate crinkles
Chocolate crinkles
  • Source: #1: "The first chocolate crinkle cookie recipe can be traced to a woman named Helen Fredell in St. Paul, Minnesota in the early 1950s. The recipe was originally published in a Betty Crocker cookbook, which explains that it was a cookie Mrs. Fredell served in her home, and guests couldn’t resist taking the recipe home and trying it for themselves." Betty Crocker; #2: "Credit for the original chocolate crinkle cookie recipe goes to Helen Fredell of St. Paul, Minnesota; it was published in a Betty Crocker cookbook in the early 1950s." Taste of Home
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Created by MaPhilIndo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MaPhilIndo (talk) 00:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

@Buidhe: How do either of these options sound?
ALT1 ... that the chocolate crinkle (pictured) was the subject of a study by the Philippines' Department of Science and Technology?
ALT1a ... that Philippines' Department of Science and Technology made a study on the chocolate crinkle (pictured)?
ALT2 ... that although the chocolate crinkle (pictured) was invented in Minnesota, it is more popular in the Philippines?
ALT1/ALT1a is technically imprecise as it is not the DOST itself that made a study about it but rather one of the agencies under it: I will leave it to you if ALT1/ALT1a remain suitable or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer ALT2. ALT2 is better than the other ALTs. MaPhilIndo (talk) 07:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone Hates Elon

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    1) McCusker, Kate (10 April 2025). Sledgehammer-wielding Musk critics smash up Tesla in London art project. The Guardian. Archived from the original on 10 April 2025. Quote: "Protective helmets were donned and sledgehammers wielded as Elon Musk critics vented their frustration at the Tesla boss and billionaire by smashing up a disused Tesla bound for the scrapheap. ... The destroyed electric vehicle, which retails for about £14,000, will be auctioned in the next few weeks, with all proceeds going to food bank charities."
    2) Campbell, Hebe (11 April 2025). Tesla smashed to pieces in London protest against Elon Musk. The Independent. Archived from the original on 11 April 2025. Quote: "A Tesla was destroyed in London by protesters targeting billionaire Elon Musk and his ties to Donald Trump on Thursday, 10 April. The second-hand car, originally destined for the scrapheap, was smashed as part of a 'public art piece' according to the group Everyone Hates Elon, who organised the stunt. The group says it offers people a way to 'safely and legally' destroy a Tesla. The installation will be auctioned to raise money for local food banks."
  • ALT1: ... that Everyone Hates Elon let members of the public destroy a Tesla Model S to protest against the political activities of Elon Musk and raise money for food banks? Source: see above.
  • ALT2: ... that Everyone Hates Elon created a public art installation allowing participants to destroy a Tesla Model S to raise money for food banks? Source: see above.
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  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination, so not very confident! More than happy for the hooks to be reworded etc as needed. I've also reached out (per WP:REQFREE) to Everyone Hates Elon regarding images for the article; they have said they will release some of their images under CC and upload them to Wikimedia Commons, so depending on timescale and relevance of available images, an image could be included alongside this DYK if it's accepted.
Created by Pineapple Storage (talk) and Jesswade88 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Pineapple Storage (talk) 15:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • This is not a review of the nomination, but I do think we should be aware that whatever the hook is, there is a good chance that Elon gets on Twitter and writes about the hook, and then it makes the news. There's two things to note: first, future commenters/reviewers, your behavior in this very discussion may be scrutinized. That doesn't mean "walk on eggshells", but it does mean "think twice before you click publish changes". Second, we should notify—not ask permission from—the WMF press team (comcom@wikimedia.org) with ample warning. It's the right thing to do; they should not be blindsided by this. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Park No. 474

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Park No. 474 in Chicago, IL
Park No. 474 in Chicago, IL
  • Source: "The sculpture was made possible by the B.F. Ferguson Fund of the Art Institute of Chicago and major donors such as Daniel J. Terra and Victor J. Axelrod. Because the Ferguson Fund is devoted only to artworks on public lands, the Illinois Institute of Technology deeded the Chicago Park District the nine-foot by six-foot site on which it is located. The project gave the site, which is officially known as Park 474, the status of Chicago’s tiniest park." https://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/parks-facilities/man-bench-artwork
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  • Comment: Added on suggestion of another editor. This is my first DYK submission for an article I wrote.
Created by Shotgunheist (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Shotgunheist 💬 17:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • I believe placing the "pictured" tag works better after the second clause, like this: that to meet funding requirements, the Illinois Institute of Technology deeded a 6x9 foot granite slab to the city (pictured), creating Chicago’s smallest park? fixed in submission

Shotgunheist 💬 17:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article was created on the day it was nominated and Earwig check comes back clean. I'd find the hook interesting, no QPQ is required. I am concerned that it appears some statements in the article are unsourced, such as the final sentence in the first and last paragraphs of the history section. I also have some issues with the two Flickr sources per WP:RSPFLICKR. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 26

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Warren Kilbourne

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  • ... that Warren Kilbourne led a strike against a professional football team because he was not paid for participation in a charity game?
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 350 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Pseudo-Evodius

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  • Source: Sourced to a physical book, but for an online-accessible source:
https://www.nasscal.com/e-clavis-christian-apocrypha/homily-on-the-life-of-jesus-and-his-love-for-the-apostles/
Moved to mainspace by SnowFire (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

SnowFire (talk) 20:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Seitaro Hattori

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5x expanded by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:29, 26 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]


Articles created/expanded on April 27

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Tommy Akingbesote, Kyonte Hamilton

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  • Source: NYT (paywalled - can email you the password if you need to verify it)
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 354 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

2025 Free Student Union election at Tribhuvan University

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Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 432 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 15:20, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Date, size, neutrality, copyviospotcheck, etc. all fine. There are, however, two problems. First, the hook is pretty boring, although I cannot come up with anything more interesting. Closing admin - or double checking one, whom we seem to have more these times - can offer a 3O if necessary. More serious is the article itself, which I've tagged for notability and started a talk discussion (frankly, I feel this should go to AfD to gauge a wider consensus). Sorry, Soman - your work is usually stellar - but this time I feel we need to think more about this one. PS. The two problems above are somewhat connected: it's hard to come up with an interesting hook on a uneventful election that itself may not even be notable (a student union election at a Nepalese university, with that union not even having an article right now).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:46, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Notability issue answered at Talk:2025_Free_Student_Union_election_at_Tribhuvan_University#Notability?, I'll pass it. But new hook still needed, if possible. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Graham (television producer)

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  • ... that Paul Graham insisted on "a big game feel" for his "baby"?
Created by Flibirigit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 165 past nominations.

Flibirigit (talk) 12:18, 27 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]


Articles created/expanded on April 28

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Nun will der Lenz uns grüßen

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1926 version
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2142 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC). I will review Template:Did you know nominations/Kentuck Knob. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asking 4meter4 if he could propose a new hook, or possibly expand the article to include additional possible hook options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bremps: Does anything in the article stand out as a possible hook suggestion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This song was believed to been medieval but actually was a 19th century paraphrase, which became popular with the Youth movement (1920s) and - most surprising - is still popular today. Sorry that it is complex. I see a double quirkiness in it - the belief that is was medieval (but still popular today) and the unexpected interest in the 1920s (but still popular today). When a topic has a complex history why not speak/teach about that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That information about it being a paraphrase is not currently in the article. If it's added to the article and a clear non-technical hook based on it is proposed, I think it could work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the article: "Ströse published a poem collection in 1878, Deutsche Minne aus alter Zeit – ausgewählte Lieder der Minnesänger des Mittelalters, presenting medieval poems in his free transcription." - bolding by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to please, I changed the verb to "paraphrased" in the sentence regarding this paticular song, one from that collection. Please help wording a hook, - perhaps you are able to word that for a long time it was still believed to be medieval. The 1920 youth movement should be present to connect to the image, also it seems worth knowing that for decades, the song remained in the background, but then hit some nerve. Please let's get this up soon, or spring will be over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ... that "Nun will der Lenz uns grüßen" (Now Spring wants to greet us) is a 1878 song, paraphrasing a medieval poem, which became popular with the 1920s youth movement (pictured)?
That's a bit hard to read. How does the following reword sound? Special thanks to MallardTV for the suggestion, courtesy ping to Bremps too:
ALT0b: ... that the 1878 German spring song "Nun will der Lenz uns grüßen" (score pictured) was inspired by a medieval poem and gained fame in the 1920s youth movement?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:51, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comprehensible and interesting. Let's roll. Bremps... 02:56, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bremps: Thank you. I guess this is ready for a full review now? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies if I wasn't clear, but all I was doing was making passing comments. Bremps... 04:22, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I bet that will land at ERRORS for saying "inspired" instead of "paraphrased", and you left out the quirky possibility that it was taken for medieval. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Caressing My Hibernating Bear

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Created by Lullabying (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 68 past nominations.

lullabying (talk) 02:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Lonnie Donegan Showcase

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Created by TangoTizerWolfstone (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 13:59, 30 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Octavia (novel)

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Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 137 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 08:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'm uncomfortable with your basis for stating that the film hasn't been released yet: absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Does this count as a review? DS (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Me too tbh - I did see the Letterboxd review, and it is from 2021 but I am still skeptical, as I can't find a reference to it being screened 2010 to today and there would be digital traces, beyond that single review. I'm happy to scratch the ALT as I do realise absence of evidence isn't evidence! It is a mystery though: the Times says it was broadcast in 2009 - but they why doesn't the person in the forum linked above (who posted three times) know that? This just increases my scepticism. Maybe I should write to ITV! (But not for this DYK nomination) Lajmmoore (talk) 22:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jilly Cooper's official site has an "ask Jilly a question" form... DS (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the detective work begins ... I've messaged, but let's not hold up the DYK, feel free to strike ALT1 Lajmmoore (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about ALT2: that a 1993 reprint of the 1977 romance novel Octavia sold 100,000 copies? DS (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Italian brainrot

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An example of these surrealist creatures
An example of these surrealist creatures
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Created by Thegoofhere (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Thegoofhere (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Not a review, but I'd like to point out some things for the benefit of the first-time nominator here. The article in question is linked in bold from the hook, which I've done. Thegoofhere, there is also a failed verification tag that will need addressing before the page is passed. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 22:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Saigon Port FC

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Created by KhoaNguyen1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 09:01, 5 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I was about to review this, but the article is in dire need of a copyediting. Pinging our resident soccer expert SounderBruce to take a look at the article, or perhaps asking for help from sports expert BeanieFan11 in helping copyedit the article. FWIW, if this is to proceed, ALT2 sounds okay, but it might be a good idea to either link or explain "relegated" for the benefit of our non-soccer fan readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:40, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be a content split from Ho Chi Minh City FC and honestly could just be merged back into that article. SounderBruce 18:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ping SounderBruce, I think Saigon Port FC should be split from HCMCT FC and have its main article, as this club was regarded as one of the best most notable clubs in Vietnam around the 90s, many sources that talk about this club before and after it dissolved [11][12][13][14], what do you think? KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 05:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't seem like a case of a phoenix club or spinoff, and if Ho Chi Minh City FC is claiming pre-2009 titles then they are a continuation and thus would include the full history of Saigon Port FC in their article. I won't be able to provide further input, as I am very busy, so I'll be dropping out of this conversation. SounderBruce 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soliloquy

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5x expanded by MallardTV (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MallardTV Talk to me! 11:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • DYK compliance check:
Topic is encyclopedic
Article created November 20, 2003. Qualification for DYK is per 5x expansion.
Article is minimum length for DYK (2953 words)
Article is well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free.
Article is presentable
All hooks are cited to a reliable source
All hooks are short enough.
All hooks are interesting. I am veering towards the first because the wording gives it a mysterious quality.
Not applicable: hook does not have image
Not applicable: QPQ not required
RESULT: ViperSnake151  Talk  02:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reopened per WT:DYK. Big sourcing deficiencies here.--Launchballer 22:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Joanna Johnston

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  • ... that Jessica Rabbit's costume designer wanted a fully sequinned dress but it was too expensive to animate?
  • Source: Johnston's original design for a fully sequinned dress was too expensive to animate, so it was changed to a solid red colour gown [Costume Design in TV and Film, Nancy Capaccio]
  • ALT1: ... that Forrest Gump's blue shirt was custom-made to look cheap? Source: "I wanted all the plaid mismatching and one side of the collar slightly longer than the other so it looks cheap" - quoted in Los Angeles Times article, 1994.
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5x expanded by FilmCostumes (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

FilmCostumes (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Franklin Sonn

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  • ... that Franklin Sonn was the first black South African ambassador to the United States of America?
  • ALT1: ... that Franklin Sonn was a regular correspondent of Nelson Mandela during his imprisonment? Source: Ebony Magazine, December 1995 "His personal contributions to the struggle did not go unrecognized by future President Mandela, who in a letter written from his prison cell to Sonn in the late 1980s applauded his efforts. The two remained in regular contact throughout those difficult years."
  • ALT2: ... that despite marching alongside Desmond Tutu, Franklin Sonn only joined the African National Congress after the fall of Apartheid? Source: Ebony Magazine, December 1995 "And I never hesitated to lead marches with Archbishop Tutu" … "Even though Sonn did not join the ANC until much later"
  • Reviewed: [[]]
  • Comment: Maybe one could combine hook 1 and hook 2.
Created by Slashme (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Slashme (talk) 10:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


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James Bunbury White

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Created by Aneirinn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Aneirinn (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

French Girls

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Created by Meena (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 294 past nominations.

Launchballer 21:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Smashing Frank

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Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

—👑PRINCE of EREBOR📜 14:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

References

  1. ^ 吳霆俊 (11 April 2025). "搗破法蘭克｜談善言林家熙楊偲泳大爆兒時反叛史 岑珈其為易角疑雲解畫". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Retrieved 1 May 2025. 《搗破法蘭克》作為首部眾籌成功的電影，有望為電影發展殺出新血路。 [As the first successfully crowdfunded film, Smashing Frank is expected to pave a new path for film development.]
  2. ^ 鄭思珩 (7 May 2022). "《搗破法蘭克》以眾籌抗主流 奪回創作話語權【專訪】". The Culturist (in Chinese). Retrieved 1 May 2025. 劇名中的「法蘭克」源自電影《捉智雙雄》（Catch Me If You Can）中狄卡比奧所飾演的少年詐欺犯法蘭克（Frank Abagnale） [The "Frank" in the title comes from the character Frank Abagnale, a young con artist played by [Leonardo] DiCaprio in the film Catch Me If You Can.]
  3. ^ 馮曉彤 (30 April 2022). "專訪《搗破法蘭克》編導蔡康凝——眾籌拍戲，講香港年輕人的憤怒與反抗". Hong Kong Inmedia (in Chinese). Retrieved 1 May 2025. 《搗破法蘭克》最初是導演班的功課，經過導師陳果多番指點修改，最終在2019年頭寫成。 [Smashing Frank was originally a course assignment for the director, and after multiple revisions guided by mentor Fruit Chan, it was finally completed in early 2019.]
  4. ^ 嚴嘉栢 (18 April 2025). "《搗破法蘭克》換角、資訊發布惹議 眾籌開戲變數多 「不敢說是一條新路」". Ming Pao (in Chinese). Retrieved 1 May 2025. 2022年眾籌時，陳果陪同蔡康凝接受媒體訪問，並表示擔任監製；惟今年3月公布上映消息後，才發現監製不再是陳果。蔡康凝解釋，陳果在開拍前一星期仍給予意見，幫忙修改劇本，「如果我們本身籌了整個項目450萬（港元）的話，我們找阿果（陳果），其實他就可以完全掌控這件事。但是到了現在是一半一半，如果我們想阿果做監製，我們都需要出份糧給他，但是錢不夠，還有那時候阿果有很多其他commitment」。 [During the crowdfunding in 2022, Fruit Chan accompanied Trevor Choi for media interviews and stated he was serving as a producer; however, after the announcement of the release in March this year, it was revealed that Fruit Chan was no longer the producer. Trevor Choi explained that Fruit Chan was still providing feedback a week before shooting began and helped revise the script. "If we had originally raised the entire project budget of HK$4.5 million, we could have had Fruit completely in charge. But now it’s half and half. If we want him as a producer, we need to pay him, but the money isn’t enough, and at that time he had many other commitments."]
  5. ^ 嚴嘉栢 (18 April 2025). "《搗破法蘭克》換角、資訊發布惹議 眾籌開戲變數多 「不敢說是一條新路」". Ming Pao (in Chinese). Retrieved 1 May 2025. 蔡康凝表示，《搗破法蘭克》眾籌做法參考對象有二：美國影評YouTuber斯托克曼（Chris Stuckmann）及香港導演趙羅尼。斯托克曼的頻道訂閱數字目前約200萬，2022年3月宣布眾籌拍電影Shelby Oaks，僅用文字和短片講解概念，24小時內達成眾籌目標25萬美元（約195萬港元），最終超額，籌得逾139萬美元（約1084萬港元），2024年電影上映，比原定計劃遲一年。 [Trevor Choi stated that there were two references for the crowdfunding approach of Smashing Frank: American film critic YouTuber Chris Stuckmann and Hong Kong director Ronnie Chiu. Stuckmann's channel currently has about 2 million subscribers. In March 2022, he announced a crowdfunding campaign for the film Shelby Oaks, using only text and short videos to explain the concept. The campaign reached its goal of $250,000 (approximately HK$1.95 million) within 24 hours, ultimately exceeding expectations and raising over $1.39 million (approximately HK$10.84 million), with the film set to be released in 2024, a year later than originally planned.]

Civilization (magazine)

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  • ... that Civilization was almost called “Fame Whores of Hedge Fund City”? Source: Newest York interview "it may be called BORED, it may also be called MOTHERFUCKER, or FAME WHORES OF HEDGE FUND CITY" – which is actually still a quite good name."
    • ALT1: ... that Civilization was supposed to be horrible, unlikable and partly AI-generated? Source: Print magazine on issue #6 "What is the reason for your up-yours-design? —To do something unlikable, repellent, horrible, ugly." Its Nice That article on issue #6 "And in some areas the human element was rejected entirely with Richard sharing that over half of the issue was made using AI writing tools."
    • ALT2: ... that Civilization began in New York City? Source: Its Nice That interview "I went to BJ Magazines on Varick Street at lunch – one of the better places to get magazines [in New York], but somewhere I’ve been going less and less,” recalls designer and art director, Richard Turley, of the day back in January he decided to create his latest project, Civilization."
    • ALT3: ... that Civilization responded to the COVID-19 pandemic by mailing letters? Source: The Guardian article "in 2020, as coronavirus rages through the city, the people behind Civilization – a singular print publication stuffed full of the musings of random New Yorkers – are reviving the concept. For $3 (£2.40), which you pay through their online store, they’ll send you a personalised letter."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/You're Lost Little Girl
    • Comment: ALT2 is funny as a rug-pull for readers who think it's talking about "civilization" and not Civilization but I'm ok with not using it since it's the blandest of the 3.
Created by BuySomeApples (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 47 past nominations.

BuySomeApples (talk) 07:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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Willy Miranda (coach)

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  • ... that even though he had never seen a field hockey game before, Willy Miranda became his high school's coach and won over 450 games across a 42-year tenure?
  • ALT1: ... that Willy Miranda was a high school coach in football, swimming, baseball, softball, basketball, field hockey, and lacrosse, sometimes with multiple schools at once? Source: DE Sports HOF & e.g. News Journal + News Journal for multiple schools at once ("Wilmington high girls basketball coach Willy Miranda [has resigned] ... He will remain field hockey coach at Brandywine")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Monk scam
  • Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. Perhaps this could be featured as a date request for May 29, when he gets inducted into the Delaware Sports Hall of Fame?
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 362 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • article is new enough, long enough, well written and sourced. I spot checked a few sources and did not find any evidence of copyvio/close paraphrasing. The hooks are both interesting and verified, though I think ALT0 could be rephrased a bit: "had never seen a field hockey game before," this clause feels like it is missing what the 'before' is before, and "his high school's coach" to me implies that it could have been the high school he attended, and he worked at many different high schools so idt that "his high school" really has any meaning here. Can we try rephrasing that a bit, BeanieFan11? Eddie891 Talk Work 09:14, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Deportation and detention of American citizens in the second Trump administration

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  • Comment: This was submitted a little over a week (created on May 4 but submitted on May 12) but I wasn't sure was any flexibility on that. But it has expanded 5x since May 5 so maybe that is good enough to qualify.
Created by Remember (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Remember (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Savior

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5x expanded by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 28 past nominations.

Johnson524 18:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Careful. You cited page E11 in the article, but dodgeball is only mentioned on page E10. Also, "the congregation" was (at the time the source was published) 49 nuns, but only 6 nuns worked at the school. Also, the traffic isn't interesting. How about, more simply, ALT0: that the nuns of Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Savior have played dodgeball in their full black religious habits? DS (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @DragonflySixtyseven: Both pages E10 and E11 are used to cite different information in the sentence talking about (among other things) dodgeball causing traffic in the article. Two sentences later, the article states that "In 2006, the school consisted of 60 students and seven sisters", not 6 nuns, so I'm unsure what your concern was in either of these cases. As for the new ALT0, that's fine if you you think that's better! Cheers! Johnson524 05:00, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be more clear: regardless of whether the school employed 6 nuns or 7 nuns, they did not employ the congregation of 49 nuns. DS (talk) 14:42, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still confused, sorry. Nowhere in the article does it say the congregation "employed" any nuns, that doesn't make sense. The only part of the article that mentions 49 members is at the top of the history section, where it briefly mentions in 2006 the "total numbers of members [had] increased" since the last count in 1988. I don't see where in the school section this issue is present. Johnson524 18:32, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read more carefully. At no point did I make any statement about the congregation employing nuns. I made a statement about the school employing nuns. I stated that the nuns who were employed by the school, did not represent the full congregation. They merely represented part of the congregation. The number of nuns employed by the school was less than the number of nuns in the congregation.

"The congregation" is the set of all nuns belonging to "Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Savior". The set of nuns which the school employed is a subset of "the congregation".

Do you understand now? DS (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is gonna be embarrassing if I still don't understand you, so please bear with me. Are you referring to the wording of the ALT0 hook and not the article itself? That wasn't clear to me, but would make so much more sense. In that case you're right, and I've made an ALT0a correction to change the word "congregation" to "convent", seeing as the school location is also its own convent in the congregation. Cheers! Johnson524 04:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Howell

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  • ... that wrestler Kurt Howell won all 108 of his matches in high school?
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 363 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Black dandyism

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  • Source: "This holds from the era of zoot suits, as worn by a young Malcolm X, to Langston Hughes’ Harlem Renaissance tweeds, to the berets of Black Panthers like Huey P. Newton, to Jidenna’s contemporary classic man. And while the focus at this year’s Met Gala is on menswear for the first time since 2003, it’s also on Janelle Monáe’s tailored suits, Missy Elliott’s Afrofuturism and Grace Jones’ avant-garde androgyny." (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/met-gala-theme-black-fashion-dandyism-superfine-rcna204417) / "The contemporary Black dandy, Miller said, is not confined by stereotypes or labels. He is Chadwick Boseman sporting a holy Versace cape to the 2018 Met Gala. They are Kai-Isaiah Jamal, the first Black trans model to walk for Louis Vuitton, wearing an Abloh-designed zoot suit in 2021. She is Doechii winning Best Rap Album at this year’s Grammys in a superfine Thom Browne suit-gown. He is the cohort of style figures hosting this year’s Met Gala — Pharrell, A$AP Rocky, Lewis Hamilton, Colman Domingo, and honorary chair LeBron James — all of whom have played pivotal roles in reshaping what it means to be masculine and fashionable." (https://hypebeast.com/2025/5/the-met-costume-institute-superfine-tailoring-black-style-contemporary-designers-monica-miller-curator-interviewer-dandy)
  • ALT1: ... that the style of Black dandyism flourished during and after the Harlem Renaissance as a means of self-expression in the African American community through fine European tailoring? Source: The roots of Black dandyism lie in the intricate weaving of Black culture with European-style fashion—beginning in the post-Emancipation period, but coming into full force during the Harlem Renaissance. In the 1920s, Harlem became the epicenter of Black intellectual and artistic thought. Figures like Langston Hughes, Josephine Baker, and Zora Neale Hurston were breaking barriers with their literary and artistic contributions. But equally important was the cultural revolution taking place in fashion. The Black dandy of the Harlem Renaissance was someone who used dress to assert themselves in a world that often denied them dignity. Just as dandyism had once represented defiance against the traditional aristocracy, it now became a way to reject the limitations placed on Black people in America. The sharp suit, the polished shoes, the bow tie—these were not just fashion choices; they were ways of asserting one’s right to exist on their own terms. In a racially segregated America, the Black dandy’s outfit became a form of resistance, an elegant middle finger to a society that sought to define them by race, not character. (https://www.vogue.com/article/what-is-black-dandyism)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James M. Goodhue
  • Comment: Earwig shows a higher percentage of copyright violation because of a few reasons: 1) a Reddit post citing the lede in a blockquote and 2) a book title by Monica L. Miller that virtually every source names in full. If there are other pressing copyvio concerns, however, I would be more than happy to revise the page to address them.
Created by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Phibeatrice (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Opiki Toll Bridge

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The Opiki Toll Bridge with a missing floor
The Opiki Toll Bridge with a missing floor
  • ... that the derelict Opiki Toll Bridge (pictured) is heritage listed in New Zealand?
Moved to mainspace by Panamitsu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 75 past nominations.

📶Panamitsu (talk) 00:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Unknown
  • Other problems: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: No - ?
Overall: Overall, looks good. Hook could be more interesting -- Maybe ** ALT1': ...that the now-derelict Opiki Toll Bridge (pictured) was once the longest suspension bridge in Australia?

also, your QPQ links to a disambiguation page. Maximilian775 (talk) 00:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree the hook isn't that interesting. It can't be Australia (the source says Australasia and says "probably"). ALT2:
"... that the derelict Opiki Toll Bridge (pictured) once had the longest main span in New Zealand?"
https://www.heritage.org.nz/list-details/9619/Tane%20Hemp%20Company%20Limited%20Suspension%20Bridge%20and%20Flaxmill%20Remains (in Detailed List Entry > Physical description) "Before the Opiki bridge was built the Clifden Suspension Bridge had the longest main span in New Zealand, at 111.5 metres, with its approximately 7.5 metre concrete towers being much shorter than the Tane Hemp Company bridge’s."
QPQ was a disambiguation link because I hadn't done it yet but it's now done. 📶Panamitsu (talk) 05:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally found 'the bridge is also heritage listed by the Manawatū and Horowhenua District Councils' quite interesting but the source cannot clarify any further information. Is the bridge located between the two districts? Unfortunately without knowing if the 'heritage list' in question is the Built Heritage Inventory that information is hard to gloss. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup your theory is right. The Gazetteer shows that the bridge is in both districts, and I was surprised to see that the bridge is labelled on the map (as "Historic Bridge"). ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:16, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Immediately after I clicked publish, there was an earthquake in the same district. ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May I please point out that it's not anywhere near the longest bridge in New Zealand? It may have been the longest suspension bridge when it was built – I don't know. New Zealand's longest bridge in the Rakaia Bridge. That article tells us that the initial bridge, built in 1873, was 1,370 m long. Schwede66 08:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing that, Schwede66. I've had a closer look at the source and it says it had the longest "main span" which clearly does not mean longest bridge. I've modified the hook and article but will have a closer look tomorrow. ―Panamitsu (talk) 09:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... that the Opiki Toll Bridge (pictured) was placed on New Zealand's national heritage register decades after the bridge deck had been removed?

Add a citation and that's fine by me. Maximilian775 (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.heritage.org.nz/list-details/9619/Tane%20Hemp%20Company%20Limited%20Suspension%20Bridge%20and%20Flaxmill%20Remains "In 1969 a replacement state highway bridge was constructed and the decking of the suspension bridge was removed." and heritage listed on "31st October 2013". ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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George Attla

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5x expanded by Annwfwn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

Annwfwn (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment — Uninteresting as written when it's well known that his leg was fused as a result of the tuberculosis and he still went on win tons of competitions in spite of the disability. Also, using a paid obituary for the source when there's seemingly no end to actual reliable sources discussing his life? Similarly, using a non-free image scavenged off the web when there are numerous publications with expired copyrights containing photos of Attla? To the latter point, as we continue to claim to be a collaborative environment, all you had to do was ask. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I added a different source, there are plenty. Perhaps you can find an image? This is, as you pointed out, a collaborative project. I did not find numerous publications where the copyright had expired and so left the image placed by a previous editor. Annwfwn (talk) 10:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Day One (The Last of Us)

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Jeffrey Wright
Jeffrey Wright
Isabela Merced
Isabela Merced
Converted from a redirect by Rhain (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 93 past nominations.

– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Ducks Ahoy!

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  • ... that Joyce Hakansson Associates included an activity book along with Ducks Ahoy!'s manual in order to augment the game's learning concepts, so parents can explore them further with their children at home?
  • Source: Mace, Scott (1984-12-03). "Q&A: Joyce Hakansson". InfoWorld. Vol. 6, no. 49. CW Communications, Inc. p. 52.
  • ALT1: ... that Joyce Hakansson Associates omitted violence from Ducks Ahoy!, a 1984 educational action game? Source: Bisson, Gigi (February 1986). "Joyce Hakansson's Fantasy Factory". Antic. Vol. 4, no. 10. San Francisco, California, United States: Antic Publishing. pp. 32–34.
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5x expanded by Guyinblack25 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Guyinblack25 talk 16:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Guyinblack25: I see this is your first DYK nomination so I will give you a little pointer. When you are writing out your proposed hook, it is a good idea to include all of the links and formatting you want in there, like you see in the hooks on the Main page. You especially should get into the habit of linking (and bolding) the article being nominated for DYK. Best of luck! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elegies (film)

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Ann Hui
Ann Hui
  • ... that Ann Hui (pictured) described an interviewee's performance as "awful" and cut his scene from her documentary Elegies?
  • ALT1: ... that Ann Hui (pictured) interviewed two poets who got into an argument in unused footage from Elegies? Source: [2]
  • ALT2: ... that the shoot for Elegies in Taiwan was almost canceled despite Ann Hui (pictured) already being there, as it was during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: [3]
  • ALT3: ... that Ann Hui (pictured) allowed the editor to work independently on Elegies? Source: [4]
  • ALT4: ... that director Ann Hui (pictured) worked for free on Elegies? Source: [5]
  • ALT5: ... that Ann Hui (pictured) intended to make a documentary about poetry back in 1976 before began working on Elegies in 2020? Source: [6]
  • ALT6: ... that the title of Elegies comes from a suite of poems that Ann Hui (pictured) read during the film's pre-production and found touching? Source: [7]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/W leju po bombie
Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 42 past nominations.

—👑PRINCE of EREBOR📜 10:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

References

  1. ^ 黃保慧 (13 March 2024). "男主角演戲份被剪光 名導許鞍華透露：他演得很差！". United Daily News (in Chinese). Retrieved 4 May 2025. 許鞍華在片中以戲劇形式重現黃燦然的多首經典詩作，其中一首詩卻因為由黃燦然親自演出，反而害得整首詩全被剪光。許鞍華直言：「他演得很差！連走路都不自然，後來只能忍痛把整首詩都剪掉了。他是勉強地演了，可是他真的不是演員。」 [Ann Hui visualizes several poems by Huang Canran in dramatic form within the film. However, one poem had to be completely cut because Huang performed it himself, which was detrimental to the overall piece. Ann Hui candidly remarked, "His performance is very awful! Even his walking was unnatural, so in the end, I had to painfully cut the entire poem. He performed reluctantly, but he really is not an actor."]
  2. ^ 余婉蘭 (22 November 2023). "許鞍華、廖偉棠對談：香港經此世變，詩是高度痛感｜金馬入圍紀錄片《詩》". Initium Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. 其實我還訪問了兩個詩人，那個訪問挺精彩⋯⋯因為他們兩個吵起架了，是熒惑和洪慧。但如果我們放進這部分，就多了一隻「腳仔」（支線）。當作之後還有一集。 [Actually, I also interviewed two poets, and that interview was quite exciting... because they got into an argument, they are Jacky Yuen and Hong Wai. But if we include this part, it adds a "subplot". [I will] Consider it for a sequel.]
  3. ^ 項貽斐 (22 March 2024). "【專訪3】不以地域界定香港詩人　黃燦然「經濟流亡」深圳、廖偉棠移民台灣". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. 疫情期間拍攝，許鞍華無論去深圳、台灣都得隔離，還因疫情的緊張、和緩讓隔離天數有時變長、有時變短，尤其來台拍廖偉棠時，忽然疫情升溫，製片擔心危險，不想造成工作人員或廖偉棠家人的困擾，希望許鞍華在台隔離結束就回香港。但是她認為，人都來了，就拍一點，盡量小心。 [During the filming period of the pandemic, Ann Hui had to quarantine whether she went to Shenzhen or Taiwan. The duration of the quarantine varied because of the fluctuating intensity of the pandemic. Especially when she came to Taiwan to film Liu Wai-tong, the pandemic suddenly intensified. The producer was worried about the danger and did not want to cause any trouble for the staff or Liu Wai-tong's family, wanting Ann Hui would return to Hong Kong as soon as her quarantine in Taiwan ended. However, she believed that since everyone was already there, they should film a little, while being as careful as possible.]
  4. ^ 余婉蘭 (22 November 2023). "許鞍華、廖偉棠對談：香港經此世變，詩是高度痛感｜金馬入圍紀錄片《詩》". Initium Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. 剪接時，我們跟剪接師說，我想怎樣，這件事怎樣，其實說得很抽象。我們拍的東西不是很多，他就關上房門，自己自彈自唱，搞了差不多四五個月。 [During the editing process, we told the editor what I wanted and how we envisioned things, but it was quite vague. We did not have a lot of footage, so he closed the door and worked on his own, "playing and singing" for nearly four to five months.]
  5. ^ 余婉蘭 (22 November 2023). "許鞍華、廖偉棠對談：香港經此世變，詩是高度痛感｜金馬入圍紀錄片《詩》". Initium Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. Alice、 Ken和我都是無償沒計薪的，如果一計就不夠錢。 [Alice, Ken, and I all worked without pay, because if we accounted for it, there would not be enough budget.]
  6. ^ 蕭采薇 (20 March 2024). "「金馬紀錄保持人」許鞍華76歲不退休！ 鄭少秋換周潤發內幕曝光". ETtoday (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. 許鞍華表示，最早在1975年、1976年間在TVB拍《獅子山下》後，就非常想拍古詩紀錄片及張愛玲的小說《傾城之戀》。雖然當時沒拍成，但這個想以詩為主題的創作熱情卻一直放在心裡等待機會。 [Ann Hui stated that after filming Lion Rock at TVB in 1975 and 1976, she had a strong desire to create a documentary about classical poetry and a novel adaptation on Eileen Chang's novella Love in a Fallen City. Although she did not manage to make [the documentary] at that time, her passion for poetry-themed creations remained in her heart, waiting for an opportunity.]
  7. ^ 項貽斐 (22 March 2024). "【專訪4】詩作影像節奏拿捏有「禪意」　心有所感「哀歌」成「詩」". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 18 February 2025. 至於紀錄片《詩》的英文片名為《Elegies》（哀歌、輓歌之意），是源於黃燦然90年代由七首詩組成的《哀歌》組詩。許鞍華說：「這應該是他最有名的作品、也是我第一次接觸到他的作品。那時我不認識他，是在一本詩選集裡看到其中一首，覺得很感動，所以籌備時就暫名《哀歌》。 [As for the documentary Elegies, its English title is "Elegies", which refers to Huang Canran's suite of seven poems from the 1990s also titled Elegies. Ann Hui said, "This should be his most famous work, and it was my first encounter with his writing. At that time, I did not know him; I saw one of the poems in an anthology and felt very moved, so during the pre-production, I use "Elegies" as the working title."]

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WRBW

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 765 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 20:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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May Bradford Shockley

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Created by Pbritti (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 77 past nominations.

Pbritti (talk) 01:47, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I enjoyed the article. Thank you for writing it. My one concern is that it lacks a lead section that would summarize the article on Shockley. The first two sentences could serve as a summary, but then the rest of the first paragraph jumps into her early life.
I also opted to leave this as a maybe to give @Pbritti: a chance to upload an image so that I can review the image for DYK. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Durga Puja in Bangladesh

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Converted from a redirect by Somajyoti (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Somajyoti ✉ 12:24, 11 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - There are many paras which are not cited. Unresolved [citation needed] tags.
  • Neutral: No - Tone deviates to essay in some cases. "Through these, reverence and devotion are expressed toward both the Creator and the creation.", "However, through social and cultural movements, the Hindu community has been able to preserve its heritage."
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
  • Other problems: No - "Rituals and procedures of the worship" speaks about Durga Puja festivities in general and are already covered in the main article. Maybe WP:UNDUE here

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - Verified "31,461 puja mandaps in 2024". Rituals captivating devotees is unverified.
  • Interesting: Unknown
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Somajyoti: Currently, the article needs work on sourcing and rewriting in a more encyclopedic tone. You may refer Durga Puja in Kolkata for inspiration. Redtigerxyz Talk 06:47, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Riverside Drive (Manhattan)

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Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 721 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 15:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Star Trek: Day of Blood

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Moved to mainspace by Cambalachero (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 128 past nominations.

Cambalachero (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Folding Ideas

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Moved to mainspace by Based5290 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Based5290 :3 (talk) 07:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

dxneo, thoughts on the nominator's comments. Sohom (talk) 04:08, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. However, I still don't feel like the hook is "wow". Everyone cover world news nowadays, so how is this any different? It fails WP:DYKINT. A new hook, from a different angle is required. dxneo (talk) 06:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2, any reason why the f in "flat Earth" is in lowercase? And in the article, the a in "In Search of A Flat Earth" is supposed to be in lowercase per WP:MOS. Polygon does not directly say anything about landscapes and this hook does not appear in the article, making it fail WP:WIADYK.
Moving on to ALT3, a comment made by a non-notable individual, still not interesting enough. I guess other reviewers might say different, so I'm requesting a second opinion. dxneo (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: Polygon article: "The video is shot beautifully, with loving and reverent shots of nature that not only contribute to the video’s content and concepts, but also capture a sense of still beauty." The claim does appear in the article in a slightly different form: "Williams and Jef Rouner of Datebook noted the video's shots of the Canadian landscape as beautiful." The f if "flat Earth" is lowercase because that's how the Flat Earth article treats it.
ALT3: As far as I can tell, comments by non-notable reviewers are entirely fair game for hooks unless there is a dispute about the reliability of the reviewer (or the comment itself is uninteresting). See Template:Did you know nominations/Fedora (short story), Template:Did you know nominations/Polo (novel), Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Life_Till_Bones. Based5290 :3 (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Roberts-Smith

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Ben Roberts-Smith speaking at the 2015 National Flag Raising and Citizenship Ceremony
Ben Roberts-Smith speaking at the 2015 National Flag Raising and Citizenship Ceremony
Improved to Good Article status by TarnishedPath (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

TarnishedPathtalk 03:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - n
QPQ: Done.

Overall: The issue is WP:DYKBLP; Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided. This hook is almost definitely a violation of this policy, so unfortunately a new one is needed, @TarnishedPath:. jolielover♥talk 08:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@jolielover, given that both aspects mentioned in the hook (the award of the VC and the war crimes finding) are what Ben Roberts-Smith is notable for, I don't see how mentioning the war crimes finding "unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons" (my emphasis). Please reconsider. TarnishedPathtalk 08:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath: Even if they are mostly known for the crime, unfortunately, this hook definitely can't run due to BLP concerns. Several sources in the article mention he is Australia's most decorated soldier, could a hook be written to talk of that instead? jolielover♥talk 08:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ps, if absolutely necessary I will think up a new hook, but this is what they are most notable for so I'd rather not. Curtesy ping @Bremps. TarnishedPathtalk 08:33, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wouldn't want to usurp the reviewer but mentioning a civil trial instead of a criminal trial is what concerned me, due to lower standards of evidence. Bremps... 08:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I get where you are coming from. Would
Be suitable? Pinging @jolielover and @Bremps. TarnishedPathtalk 08:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Best not mention the crimes at all jolielover♥talk 09:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's an ongoing case before the Aussie Supreme Court, so I'd be hesitant. Bremps... 09:05, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20221227131008/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/world/australia/ben-roberts-smith-defamation-trial.html
Pinging @jolielover? TarnishedPathtalk 09:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath: Really small nitpick, but the framing makes it seem like a cause-and-effect relationship, whilst the source doesn't explicitly say it. What about:

source: https://web.archive.org/web/20221227131008/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/world/australia/ben-roberts-smith-defamation-trial.html jolielover♥talk 10:33, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolielover, I'm not sure if that statement is true anymore. It was certainly true at the time of the award of the VC, however I'm not certain that it still is. I had heard that it had changed, however I can't find any sourcing and unfortunately google searching defaults back to us. I'm not going to argue too much against ALT3, but I think ALT2 is the one which I can say is 100% correct. TarnishedPathtalk 10:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd consider the hook alright since like you said there aren't newer sources saying otherwise, and there have been cases of hooks that weren't true at the time of them appearing on the main page (this year's april fools set had one like that). Nevertheless, I'll request a second opinion. jolielover♥talk 13:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just add the year. ALT4: ... that in 2011, Ben Roberts-Smith became Australia's most decorated soldier? Bremps... 16:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not happy with the idea of an article that's this negative having a hook that feels so positive. It feels dishonest, and maybe even a bit whitewash-y. DS (talk) 18:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we can assume that a verdict will be soon. The appeal alone has been going on for almost two years now. I'd be happy to go ahead with ALT4. TarnishedPathtalk 23:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it. Bremps... 01:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT5:... that Ben Roberts-Smith won the Victoria Cross for Australia, was named Father of the Year, and was found by a judge to have committed at least four murders? DS (talk) 02:17, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DragonflySixtyseven or:
ALT5a:... that Ben Roberts-Smith won the Victoria Cross for Australia, was named Father of the Year, and was found in a civil defamation trial to have committed at least four murders? TarnishedPathtalk 02:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good with ALT5a. @Bremps:? @Jolielover:? DS (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the alt 5a that I proposed above, however another option based on recent reporting is:

source: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/war-memorial-to-update-roberts-smith-panels-but-display-will-remain-20250518-p5m063.html

TarnishedPathtalk 01:07, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT6 is unacceptable whitewashing. DS (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that ALT5 is the best one, however this doesn't seem to be moving so I've provided options. TarnishedPathtalk 07:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Poop emoji

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A colored emoji from Twitter Emoji project
A colored emoji from Twitter Emoji project
Improved to Good Article status by Boneless Pizza! (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Launchballer 22:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova

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  • Source: "In his opening greeting, the first American pope broke from his Italian remarks to speak — not in English, but in Spanish — to his “beloved diocese of Chiclayo in Peru.”
The diocese, in a northern Peruvian city with a population of about 600,000, is celebrating the election of one of its own. In a news conference Thursday, the bishop of Chiclayo, Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova, described Pope Leo XIV as “our brother,” a former bishop of Chiclayo who spent much of his ministry in northern Peru. Farfán described the pope’s time in northern Peru — riding horseback through mountainous communities — as formative years for Leo. By mentioning Chiclayo in his first remarks, Farfán said, Leo is signaling the importance of reaching out to the margins. He is following in the steps of Pope Francis, Farfán said, supporting “a church with open doors, a church that reaches out and welcomes everyone,” with an emphasis on helping the poor." Washington Post
Created by Thriley (talk) and Davide King (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 175 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you for the article about who succeeded the Pope in his former position, on fine sources, Spanish sources accepted AGF. I like the hook idea! I believe, though, that we can't say the Pope was formative, because at that time he wasn't yet Pope, and the articles doesn't say (but should) that these rides were formative for him. I wouldn't mind a bit more prose, because in my (rather small) display the infobox is longer than the article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review. I changed the wording to describe him as the "future" Pope Leo XIV. Does that work? Thriley (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is better, but - comparing to the source more than before - I see that I misunderstood, because I thought that "his" meant the new bishop. How about first the name, then the position, to connect to the former one on the post more easily? ... and perhaps use the wording from the source that seems clearer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Laura LeRoy Travis

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Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 365 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:33, 15 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment - @BeanieFan11: you really like your "first" hooks, don't you?! 🤦 I suppose this one is probably true, it's hard to find a counterexample although it's also hard to prove unless you can list all head coaches in all UD's sports through history. I suppose the fact that the college says so is reasonably powerful though, presumably they know...  — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think I nominate that many 'first' hooks. This is the only 'first' hook out of my last 30 noms (I do nominate a lot of articles). Also, I'm pretty sure the school would know, given that they have decent records of their history, and other sources have noted the fact as well, e.g. this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:05, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KPTM

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 766 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 05:54, 10 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Wang Yungui

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  • ... that businesses owned by Yao woman Wang Yungui lifted 12,00 people out of poverty? Source: 到2018年，金秀共脱贫3345户1.2万多人，摘帽14个贫困村，贫困发生率降至2.496%。[translation: "By 2018, Jinxiu had lifted 3,345 households and more than 12,000 people out of poverty, and 14 poor villages were lifted out of poverty, with the poverty incidence rate dropping to 2.496%."] https://v.gxnews.com.cn/a/19780677

2) I checked WP:RS for the China sources and they all seem either not yet evaluated or come under WP:MREL e.g. WP:CHINADAILY. In all cases as they are biographical facts about a businesswoman I think they can be considered generally reliable.

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 140 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Greg MacLeod

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Greg MacLeod, Canadian priest
Greg MacLeod, Canadian priest
  • ... that CTV News was duped into reporting that Canadian priest Greg MacLeod (pictured) was related to Donald Trump? Source: CTV News: "History students from Cape Breton University discovered that Greg MacLeod -- a retired business professor -- is distant cousins with the reality TV star- and businessman-turned-politician." ... "Correction: CTV News has learned that this was an April Fool’s Day prank. We regret the error."
Created by MediaKyle (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MediaKyle (talk) 01:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • No QPQ needed, article looks to overall be in good shape. No copyvio problems. However, the claims in the hooks themselves seem to be a violation of WP:PRIMARY, as they are simply citing the original article that reported the claim and that contains a brief retraction. Are there any secondary sources about this that could be used instead? ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 15:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for reviewing. I don't believe the incident was otherwise reported on, unfortunately. I didn't consider that this might be an issue, I just thought it was humorous when I pulled it up and it seemed like the good choice for DYK. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything else in the article really worth mentioning in a hook so maybe we'll leave this for another time. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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WSIL-TV

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 768 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 20:26, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Problem is, I checked the original source, and it's not clear whether the station ever actually did this, or if it was a general perception as "the sort of thing those cheapskates might do", or if it was a phrase that Mackie Nicholes came up with while talking to Ed Bean, or if it was a phrase that Ed Bean came up with by himself. "It takes a long time to change people's viewing habits, Nicholes admits. The perception of Channel 3 as a station that illustrates a flood by showing its audience a hand-drawn picture of a lake in the corner of the screen, rather than sending a film crew to the scene, may not die easily. Did they mean this literally? DS (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: that a newspaper columnist described an Illinois TV station as one that would "illustrate a flood by showing its audience a hand-drawn picture of a lake in the corner of the screen"?
Ah, sorry about not pinging. ALT0a will work; I'll do the rest of the review in the morning. DS (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agnes Gallus

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Created by Harrietcyy (talk) and BuySomeApples (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 49 past nominations.

BuySomeApples (talk) 03:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


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Translations of Ulysses

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Created by Artem.G (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

Artem.G (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • ​ Article is neutral, free from copyvio, suitably referenced, and meets the length and newness criteria—created on 10 May, within seven days of this nomination. The hook is interesting, succinct, neutral, and verifiable—there are three different versions of the word "translate" but it seems unavoidable considering the subject. Here's are two slightly shorter, alternative options (ALT2 is snappier but a little riskier without attribution for the quote):
Just waiting on QPQ—once that's done, this should be good to go. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rhain thank you for review! qpq is done now. I'm fine with both ALTs. Artem.G (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "CEATL presents 'Translating the Untranslatable'". CEATL. September 30, 2022.

2023 EFL League Two play-off final

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  • Source: [23] - Carlisle beat Stockport (2023); [24] - Carlisle relegated to National League (2025); [25] - Stockport failed to be promoted to the Championship so are now continuing to play in League One (2025)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Oslo Study
  • Comment: I was hoping to add the extra nugget that Stockport were still seeking promotion to the Championship, had they won their match against Leyton Orient, but that wasn't to be. It's still an interesting fact (I think) that since Carlisle's win they have gone right down, while Stockport have gone up
5x expanded by Amakuru (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

 — Amakuru (talk) 22:10, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Portal of the Folded Wings Shrine to Aviation

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  • ALT-1 ...that the Portal of the Folded Wings Shrine to Aviation is the burial site for thirteen pioneers in aviation
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: according to the page bytes, the article is only 2x expanded, but I also removed much of the original page when I redid it, and had I done this in separate steps, the new page would be 5x expanded
    • 5x expanded by Gb321 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Gb321 (talk) 16:51, 11 May 2025 (UTC). General eligibility:[reply]

    • New enough: Yes
    • Long enough: No - Yes, per below discussionUnfortunately, this is still not long enough. We count expansions by prose size, not by raw text size. Even so, the version prior to expansion includes 1,613 bytes of prose (if the block quote is included). The current version of the article has 5,868 bytes of prose. The article would be eligible for DYK if the block quote wasn't included, as the previous version minus the block quote is 1,026 bytes, but I don't know whether block quotes should be counted here. Other DYK regulars (pinging @DYK admins: ) might be able to advise.

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: @Gb321: Nice work on the article. However, I do have some concerns, which I've raised above. Epicgenius (talk) 13:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm not sure the "one source" template should be removed or ignored, even though it was apparently put in there by the nominator... the fact that there are no other sources used for that section means it's almost certainly close paraphrasing, and an orange-tag issue should be resolved properly.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The DYK admins template should only be used for emergencies, but prose is measured by characters not bytes and the blockquote isn't counted towards character count, so this is (at best) a 4.16x expansion, from 1409 to 5868. If you can resolve the tag and any/all close paraphrasing, WP:GA is that-a-way.--Launchballer 13:34, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    According to Prosesize, it was expanded from 1114 bytes/180 words to 5852 bytes/923 words, which is fine. What tool are you using? —Kusma (talk) 13:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm using DYKcheck, which shows 1409/188 even after editing the previous version to remove the blockquote and showing preview.--Launchballer 13:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad. Next time I'll post on WT:DYK instead, I didn't realize that template was not a general-use template for pinging DYK admins or regular users. That being said, I came to the same conclusion as Kusma regarding the prose size; I just thought the block quote in the previous version of the article might pose some problems if it were treated as prose. Epicgenius (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll work on getting that 'one source' tag removed

    2025 Philippine barangay and Sangguniang Kabataan elections

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    • ... that after the postponement of the 2023 barangay elections were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, new bills postponing the 2025 elections to a later date were still filed?
    2023 barangay elections was supposed to have been held in 2020, but was postponed (not due to COVID) to 2022, then to 2023.
    The Supreme Court ruled the law postponing the 2022 election to 2023 as unconstitutional. The 2023 elections proceeded as scheduled.
    Now, there are now several bills postponing the 2025 barangay elections to a later date.
    Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.

    Howard the Duck (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Mykola Chaikovsky

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 558 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 10 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


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    The Story & the Engine

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    Moved to mainspace by TheDoctorWho (talk) and Pokelego999 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

    TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    2024 World Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 400 metres

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    Medalists Lieke Klaver, Femke Bol, and Alexis Holmes
    Medalists Lieke Klaver, Femke Bol, and Alexis Holmes
    • Source: "Dutch runner Femke Bol rewrote her own world record in the indoor 400 metres on Saturday, while Britain's Josh Kerr steamrolled to victory in the men's 3,000 to the delight of the home crowd at the world indoor athletics championships. The 24-year-old 400 hurdles specialist made it look effortless, leading from the gun to clock 49.17 seconds and beat the previous mark of 49.24 she set two weeks ago at the Dutch national championships." link
    Improved to Good Article status by Editør (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

    Editør (talk) 01:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    John Lynch (linguist)

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    5x expanded by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

    ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article is generally in good shape and expanded more than 5x during the window. All hooks are sourced; I think ALT2 is the strongest of them. Two images have free licences which check out; the main portrait is used under fair use; we should really give some detail of the efforts taken to find a free-use image rather than simply asserting that none probably exist, but I'm not going to be too insistent on that here. QPQ is done. There are quite a few passages which seem to closely paraphrase this obituary; this needs to be addressed before the article can hit the main page. For the benefit of (perhaps far) future readers, I would consider explaining why his funeral was held virtually -- hopefully, we will soon get to the point where readers need reminding of the exact dates of the pandemic. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @UndercoverClassicist: Thanks for the review! Given that I only cited Ross & Blust once (which re-reading it, I should have used more), would you mind pointing out some of the CLOP issues? I tried really hard to avoid them with Geraghty & Pawley (2021) in particular, so I must've accidentally fallen into Ross & Blust in error. Earwig basically just spit out a concern because of the biblio and because I like to spell out the names (e.g., of universities) in full. As for the funeral, I almost put in that it was because of COVID... but I couldn't confirm that; his four brothers lived in Australia and I couldn't confirm that it wasn't because of some other reason (e.g., they couldn't afford to fly out) without dipping into a WP:OR issue. ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't help that the two sources are very similar indeed (to the point where I'd certainly raise concerns if they were Wikipedia articles!), so I can see how you've ended up very close to one without using it heavily. Actually, it's clearer to use Geraghty and Pawley directly to show the issues. A few examples -- source text first, article text follows:
    • (Geraghty and Pawley): In 1958 the Lynches moved to Melbourne, where John attended the Jesuits’ Xavier College. ... In his high school years he studied Latin, French, Greek and German — in fact the school didn't offer German so he taught himself and was tutored by the Austrian wife of one of his teachers, and he passed the German exam too in his final year: versus The Lynches lived in Wahroonga, a suburb north of Sydney, until 1958 when they moved to Melbourne. There, John attended Xavier College, a boarding school run by the Society of Jesus, during which he studied Latin, French, Ancient Greek, and German. Because the school did not offer German as a subject, he taught himself before being tutored by a member of the staff's Austrian wife. The structure is identical, with some phrases lifted verbatim, and others lightly rearranged (e.g. "a member of the staff's Austrian wife" for "the Austrian wife of one of his teachers".
    • (idem) In 1964 John obtained a Commonwealth Scholarship and began an honours degree in Arts at The University of Sydney, graduating with first class honours in 1968. ... His sole linguistics teacher during his four years at The University of Sydney was Rev. Dr. Arthur Capell versus Lynch began his undergraduate studies in 1964 after receiving a Commonwealth Scholarship. He attended the University of Sydney, receiving a degree in anthropology and a linguistics distinction with first-class honours in 1968. At one point the only student in the honours linguistics program, Lynch's only linguistics professor was Arthur Capell
    • (idem) For the next few years he divided his time between teaching at UPNG, taking courses at the UH, fieldwork on Tanna, writing his doctoral thesis, and taking over the editorship of Kivung (later renamed Language and Linguistics in Melanesia) ... Lynch was editor of volumes 7 to 11 from 1974 to 1978, then review editor from 1982 to 1986, and an associate editor or editorial board member from 1986 onward versus During this period, Lynch both taught at the University of Papua New Guinea and took classes back in Hawaii while writing his dissertation. He also assumed the chief editing role at the academic journal Kivung (now Language and Linguistics in Melanesia) ... Lynch was chief editor between 1974 and 1978, though later served as a reviewing editor from 1982 to 1986. From 1986 until his death, he served as either an associate editor or as a member of the journal's editorial board
    • (idem) After twenty-one years, John’s stint at the UPNG came to an end. ... he and his wife Andonia Piau-Lynch (known to all as Andy) and their two young sons moved to Vanuatu, where Andonia forged a career first as an educational psychologist (the only degree-holding psychologist in Vanuatu) and later as an advocate for the rights of people with disabilities and for women’s rights. After twenty-one years at the University of Papua New Guinea, Lynch left to begin work at the University of the South Pacific's Emalus campus; he, his wife, and two young sons moved to Port Vila, Vanuatu, towards the end of 1991. While there, his wife worked as an educational psychologist on the island and was the nation's only psychologist with a degree. She was later an advocate for women's rights in Vanuatu, as well as for those with disabilities
    You've clearly made efforts to rephrase, but fundamentally these are minor variations keeping the same selection and arrangement of facts, which is a copyvio concern. UndercoverClassicist T·C 05:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Admittedly it was a bit difficult, but I think I've shuffled things around and rephrased them enough to avoid copyvios. Please let me know if there are any other areas of concern; I didn't realize how much of the copyvio stuff I was flatly ignorant on, so apologies. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I've put a few copyedits in, but I think the article now needs a good look for comprehensibility and grammar -- I'd suggest reading each paragraph, going away for a minute, then trying to re-write the same ideas without looking at it. We're in an awkward place at the moment where the writing is trying to contort itself to get away from the original sources, leading to awkward phrases which don't always say what we mean (I've removed "languages such as...", for example, as that was very much not supported by the source), or are otherwise rather strained: see Although German was not available as a class outright, he had success teaching himself the language. Eventually, he was tutored by a local Austrian native who was married to one of the schoolteachers and passed the final exam. UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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    Nucleariid

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    Colonies of the multicellular nucleariid Fonticula alba
    Colonies of the multicellular nucleariid Fonticula alba
    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Snoteleks (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    — Snoteleks (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - If we are being precise, the source does not say nucleariids are the closest relative of fungi; it says they "form the earliest branch in the holomycotan clade (fungi and closest relatives)". The source cites research that notes they are close relatives, but the source does not say they are the closest relatives.
    • Interesting: Yes
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Some alternative hooks would be good. It would be better if it said that nucleariid amoebae are among the closest relatives of fungi. Aneirinn (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Aneirinn: Fair enough. I changed the reference, let me know if that works for you. — Snoteleks (talk) 00:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    After reading this new one, I believe this hook might be controversial as it seems some might consider the closest relative of fungi to be Rozellomyceta or Rozellomycota. Aneirinn (talk) 00:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, mycologists agree that Rozellomycota are fungi, same with Aphelidiomycota (see for example this ref, which is the outline of fungal classification). While it is true that these "lower fungi" were often traditionally studied by protistologists as protists, modern protistologists agree that they belong to the Fungi (see doi:10.1111/jeu.12691 for the scientific consensus of protistologists). If you still don't change your mind, I'll re-write it. — Snoteleks (talk) 01:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    2020 Jonesboro tornado

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    Arkansas Department of Transportation traffic camera video of the tornado in Jonesboro
    Moved to mainspace by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

    EF5 20:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    That works. Also, shoot, I need to do that QPQ. EF5 17:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Huda al-Daghfaq

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    Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 141 past nominations.

    Lajmmoore (talk) 19:33, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • Thanks Narutolovehinata5 I proposed this one (which I agree is a bit dull) as I got nervous about proposing other hooks based on her feminism. That said she is a prominent figure, so perhaps I am being too overly cautious? What about:
    ALT1 that Saudi poet Huda al-Daghfaq's memoir I Tear the Burqa to See was described as an "existential battle"? In the description of this article https://doi.org/10.21608%2Fjssa.2020.119124 Lajmmoore (talk) 06:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd personally just write it as: ... that Saudi poet Huda al-Daghfaq's memoir was described as an "existential battle"? I don't think the memoir has to be mentioned by name. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Death Race 2

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    Improved to Good Article status by Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

    Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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    Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra

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    Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 2144 past nominations.

    Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Audrey Hobert

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    Created by Meena (talk) and Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 298 past nominations.

    Launchballer 15:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the flagged cn needs to be taken care of. The source given for the UK charts is behind a paywall, but I AGF. Munfarid1 (talk) 17:11, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm fairly sure discography lists are citable to the works themselves, but cited anyway. I recommend using Archive.ph to bypass paywalls.--Launchballer 19:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Concours de la meilleure baguette de Paris

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    A member of the 2004 jury examines baguettes
    A member of the 2004 jury examines baguettes
    • Source: "As the 10 billion baguettes sold each year in France indicates, some cultural clichés stem from reality. The French truly do have bread at every meal; it’s the most fundamental element of sitting down to eat, whether you’re invited to someone’s for dinner, or ordering lunch at a bistro. But it was still remarkable to see, on a recent gray spring afternoon in Paris, a line of boulangers snaking up the stairwell to the second floor of the Chambre Professionnelle des Artisans Boulangers-Pâtissiers, all carrying what they hoped would be awarded this year’s Grand Prix de la Meilleure Baguette de Paris — otherwise known as the official “Best Baguette in Paris” competition. Held annually since 1994, the competition is a badge of honor and warrants serious bragging rights. Moreover, the contest carries real consequences: The winner provides baguettes to the French president for the calendar year, gets a 4,000 Euro prize, and — perhaps most important — sees a lasting bump in business." Grub Street
    Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 174 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 00:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    I definitely would prefer it to run on Bastille Day. I'll make a request once it is approved. Thriley (talk) 15:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thriley: As in, it running on Bastille Day is non-negotiable for you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. It's only two more weeks to ask. Seems reasonable. Thriley (talk) 00:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The page was created as a draft in 2022 but was not moved to mainspace until May 13, 2025, so it meets the newness guidelines. It is also long enough. A QPQ has been done. I'm getting a 55.9% Earwigs hit with this link, although it's mostly to do with the list of awardees. Moreover, the list uses French quotation marks instead of English ones, so that will need to be fixed. The hook is also not directly supported in the article: nowhere in the article says it is "yearly", only the fact that the competition exists and has a jury. A new hook will be needed.
    As a note to the promoter: unless this nomination gets an exemption at WT:DYK, please do not hold it until July 14. However, if such an exemption is granted, then by all means put it in the Special occasions section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to be sure, asking Nikkimaria if the list having a high positive rating with the aforementioned link is still acceptable per WP:LIMITED, or if the list will have to be changed to avoid close paraphrasing concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The link with the Earwig hit? It's not in a language I speak so unfortunately I'm not in a position to assess closeness. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nikkimaria: This is the link in question, and according to Earwig the main hits involve the names repeating in both lists. Should that be okay or not? I did notice though that the Wikipedia list includes items with French quotation marks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I really can't say whether it's okay or not - an Earwig result is only a marker, you'd have to assess the source phrasing either way, and in this case I cannot. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nikkimaria: Oh, I see what you mean now. From what I can tell, I think the list in the article was directly copied, word-for-word, from the link (although another editor has since edited the list so that the French quotation marks were replaced with English ones). The question I have is if this would still count as a copyvio or at least close paraphrasing, or if it might be allowed per WP:LIMITED. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thriley: Per a message Nikkimaria left on my talk page, the addresses probably need to go because otherwise the list was copied wholesale from the link I mentioned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Are you talking about this 2021 article:[27]? If you look at the edit history of the French Wikipedia article which I got the list from, it existed before that 2021 article was published. Thriley (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Thriley: If that's the case then the addresses could probably still be removed as unnecessary. Otherwise there are still other issues raised in the nomination that need to be addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Ralph Jarvis

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    • ... that NFL player Ralph Jarvis played high school football at a juvenile detention center?
    5x expanded by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

    ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    List of bigfin squid specimens and sightings

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    Moved to mainspace by Samoht27 (talk) and PhronimaStan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    -Samoht27 (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: The article was moved to mainspace on 13 May 2025, and was nominated for DYK the next day. Length is adequate and the hooks are both interesting and properly backed by sources. No image is used an QPQ is not required for this nomination. The main issue is sourcing. A whole section has no sources (Background), but it could use some of the main article it links to. In the list itself, there are several sightings with no backing sources, a case of failed verification and broken youtube link, and a few uses of twitter being as a reference, which should be replaced for better alternatives if possible. I added several templates and tags to clearly point these issues. Once everything is fixed, I will request a second opinion from another editor. NeoGaze (talk) 19:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for your review! I added some references to the background section, and am currently working on cleaning up the list portion of the article. I apologize, as I admit that I should've gone further with verifying the references before reviewing this page and nominating it for DYK. Thank you again for volunteering at DYK, I will attempt to address the issues with the article at this time. -Samoht27 (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Shakuyaku-kanzo-to

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    • Source: https://www.med.kobe-u.ac.jp/journal/contents/61/E132.pdf "It also reportedly has high therapeutic effectiveness for muscle cramps in patients undergoing dialysis, patients with diabetes or liver cirrhosis, and patients with dysmenorrhea"; "Shakuyaku-kanzo-to consists of a combination of P. lactiflora and Glycyrrhiza."
    Created by Cathodography (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

    Cattos💭 01:05, 14 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    @Narutolovehinata5: why do you say that? Almost all sources, including the cited hook, have a PubMed ID, which is especially reliable, According to MEDRS. I see no reason to question their reliability. Cattos💭 09:41, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's more of an abundance of caution and as a reminder to the actual reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:55, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Fuuto PI

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    • ... that Fuuto PI offers more adult themes than the its predecessor Kamen Rider W as a result of its magazine's demography?
    • ALT1: ... that in Fuuto PI the lead character Shotaro has a more prominent role than fellow character Philip, leading to more explorations of the protagonist's past than in Kamen Rider W? Source: [2]
    • ALT2: ... that Fuuto PI was originally going to be a short manga but it was extended due to positive sales in Japan? Source: [3]
    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Tintor2 (talk) and Xexerss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

    Tintor2 (talk) 23:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    @Grapesurgeon: Giving this a shot. How do these sound?
    ALT3 ... that Fuuto PI's manga format allowed the series to not be constrained by the Kamen Rider franchise's live-action special effects?
    ALT4 ... that the manga series Fuuto PI used Die Hard and Blade Runner as inspirations in the creation of its villains?
    Not sure if either works, but as it stands, the article is rather lacking in non-specialist broadly-interesting material. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for making the hooks; I think they're better, but honestly still not too interesting. Here's my proposal:
    ALT5: ... that media series Fuuto PI departed from its child-friendly predecessor Kamen Rider W by including elements like fan service and graphic violence? Source: [28]
    It's similar to the main hook but has those eye-catching phrases. I'm still not in love with it but can't think of anything better. @Tintor2: what do you think of the above hook?
    Rest of the review: GA just before DYK nom, long enough, presentable, no significant issues, article is sourced, no copyvio in text or images. QPQ does not appear to have been done. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Grapesurgeon: Does any alt work? If so I don't see the need of a QPQ.Tintor2 (talk) 18:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tintor2: I proposed Alt5 and it may be able to make it, but may pend others' input. What do you think of it? grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually Grapesurgeon, you would not be able to approve this nomination anyway as you proposed a hook that was a substantial change from an existing hook (i.e. introduced new hook facts needing verification). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah ok, I didn't know that about the DYK process. Will hold back then. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    FWIW I'm fine with ALT5. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ "TOEI Talks About Kamen Rider W's Creation and Kamen Rider Fuuto PI as a Second Chance for the Franchise Internationally – Annecy Film Festival 2021". Otaquest. Archived from the original on July 18, 2021. Retrieved April 1, 2025.
    2. ^ 「一緒に作る人たちとの“雰囲気”は大事にしたいと思っています」――『仮面ライダーW』を手掛けた三条陸さんが語る、王道に“威力”を宿す作品づくりと決め台詞が生むドラマ性｜劇場版『風都探偵 仮面ライダースカルの肖像』インタビュー [2]. Animate Times (in Japanese). November 9, 2024. Retrieved November 11, 2024.
    3. ^ 「一緒に作る人たちとの“雰囲気”は大事にしたいと思っています」――『仮面ライダーW』を手掛けた三条陸さんが語る、王道に“威力”を宿す作品づくりと決め台詞が生むドラマ性｜劇場版『風都探偵 仮面ライダースカルの肖像』インタビュー [2]. Animate Times (in Japanese). November 9, 2024. Retrieved November 11, 2024.

    Symphony in F major (Yamada)

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    Moved to mainspace by NeoGaze (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    NeoGaze (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Phaéton (Saint-Saëns)

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    Saint-Saëns's "Phaéton"
    Saint-Saëns's "Phaéton"
    • ... that Saint-Saëns's Phaéton was described by a critic after its premiere as "the noise of a hack coming down from Montmartre"?
    Moved to mainspace by NeoGaze (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    NeoGaze (talk) 20:56, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Index, Washington

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    Index, Washington
    Index, Washington
    Improved to Good Article status by SounderBruce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 256 past nominations.

    SounderBruce 18:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    It's an application of WP:QPQ (emphasis mine): Your QPQ review should be made before or at the time of your nomination. A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning. You did not provide a QPQ at the time of the nomination, which makes it liable to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The rules need to be revised to reflect the common practice of not having a QPQ on hand at the time of nomination. With the difficulty in finding suitable nominations to review without committing to a potentially time-wasting set of interactions, I do not think it is wise to punish active contributors who would otherwise not make the 7-day nomination window and drop out of the process. SounderBruce 07:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It is a practice that DYK is actively discouraging now, especially with there being large backlogs and a need to encourage not just helping out backlogs but also weeding out unsuitable nominations. It may have been acceptable in the past to have a delay in providing a QPQ, but DYK has moved away from it now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:15, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Symphony No. 6 (Langgaard)

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    • Source: Viinholt Nielsen, Bendt (November 2016). "Langgaard SYMPHONY No 6". issuu.com. Wise Music Classical. pp. 12–13. Retrieved 2 May 2025.
    Moved to mainspace by NeoGaze (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    NeoGaze (talk) 17:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Jerzy Broszkiewicz

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    Jerzy Broszkiewicz, c. 1948
    Jerzy Broszkiewicz, c. 1948
    Improved to Good Article status by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 559 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • I will review this nomination. – Editør (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is new enough (GA on 12 May 2025), is long enough (6398 characters), has no copyright issues (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). It is not clear to me from the two links to mostly Polish-language sources how the hook is supported by these, could you quote specific sentences? The hook is short enough and interesting, but it made me click on "louse-feeder" before "Jerzy Broszkiewicz", therefore it is probably not the most suitable hook to feature the boldlinked article in the DYK section. Could you come up with an alternative hook that draws more attention to "Jerzy Broszkiewicz" instead? QPQ is done. The image is used in the article, but it is a low-quality scan of a rasterized photo where parts of the face are cropped out, so I don't think it is suitable. – Editør (talk) 14:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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    The Oceanic Languages

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    Created by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

    ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hello, Thanks for your query. I am an Oceanic scholar, well familiar with this book (one of its authors gave it to me when it came out); I also know this academic domain (Oceanic linguistics) more generally. Frankly, I am a bit puzzled that a DYK would be dedicated to just a scholarly book, when so many DYK could be created about the languages themselves. (things like “DYK that the Pacific area hosts 19% of the world's languages, even though their speakers form 1% of the world's population?”)
      Lynch et al.'s book is a useful synthesis of knowledge, alright. But it is just one scholarly publication among many; I am not convinced it deserves a whole Wikipedia entry in and for itself. (I do appreciate your massive work on it though -- thanks.) The book is recommended to students because it's a useful synthesis of the field (like many academic handbooks), but it is not really a remarkable volume of new research strictly speaking; only marginally so. I believe the six volumes of the POc lexicon, which are truly a remarkable feat of new scholarship, would have been much more worthy of a Wikipedia entry (and of a DYK), among others.
      To come back to your DYK query:
      • main proposal: I don't think it's necessarily interesting, or true; I, for one, have never referred to the volume as "the blue book", and only heard it called this way once. So, my vote: →question mark Maybe
      • ALT1 is irrelevant to this particular book, as it describes a fact about the sociology of academia in general; →no Not approved
      • ALT3 is super uninteresting: a review will always say good and bad things about the book they're reviewing, that's part of the reviewing genre; the passages you quote are really not worthy of a DYK! - especially knowing how Blust's review was noticed for totally different reasons (hypotheses Blust made on the peopling of the Pacific...); →no Declined
      • ALT2: that's true indeed. This is not so surprising to academics in the field, because every year we see publications with data-published-on-language-X-for-the-very-first-time-in-history. But I guess it might be of interest to a wider audience, and somewhat a significant fact about the field of Oceanic linguistics as a whole. → Approved.
    • Hope this helps, Womtelo (talk) 10:22, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    James Patrick Shea

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    Created by Maximilian775 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

    Maximilian775 (talk) 21:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

    QPQ: No - Not done
    Overall: Good hook, made me laugh. However, you'll need to do a QPQ, since you've got 17 nominations already. Governor Sheng (talk) 08:47, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the review. Did the one I did at Frederick Rondel not go through? Maximilian775 (talk)
    @ Governor Sheng, Following up on the above! Maximilian775 (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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    Philomena Sahoye-Shury

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    Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 84 past nominations.

    ミラP@Miraclepine 05:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Rephaim text

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    • ... that the Rephaim text, a 14th-century BCE Ugaritic poem, tells of divine warrior beings who ride for three days to a threshing floor - only to spend the next seven days eating there?
    • Source: L'Heureux, Conrad (1974). "The Ugaritic and Biblical Rephaim". The Harvard Theological Review. 67 (3): 265. [29], Coogan, Michael David; Smith, Mark S. eds. (2012). Stories from ancient Canaan (2nd ed.). Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press. pp. 60-63.
    • Reviewed:
    Moved to mainspace by Moonshane1933 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Moonshane1933 (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    General eligibility:

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - "beings who ride for three days to a threshing floor - only to spend the next seven days eating there." is verified. "14th-century BCE" is unverified. "divine warrior beings" is unverified. rp'm can be deities, the dead, the king's men.
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: Yes
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Article is good to go. Just need to provide refs for hook. Redtigerxyz Talk 13:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Litten, Torracat, and Incineroar

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    • ... that Incineroar is esports player Wolfe Glick's signature Pokémon, despite being his "fourth most hated"?
    Created by Mikeycdiamond (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    Holocephali

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    The prehistoric holocephalan Harpagofututor
    The prehistoric holocephalan Harpagofututor
    • ... that male fish in the subclass Holocephali often have special organs on top of their head that are used to grab females while mating?
    • Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-2451.1997.00013.x "Sharks sometimes resort to biting in order to gain a firmer grip while mating, but chimaeroids apparently achieve the same end by means of a variety of accessory clasping organs. These can be located in a number of positions including the snout (Fig. 4a,c). A range of Palaeozoic chondrichthyans carry large and bizarre outgrowths on their heads, which we interpret (sometimes from direct evidence; Fig. 2b,c) as accessory claspers" (Ahlberg & Coates, 1997)
    5x expanded by Gasmasque (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Gasmasque (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • Excellent job on expanding the article. Image appears to be freely licensed. No copyvio detected, no QPQs needed. A few issues: WP:DYKHOOK rules state that each hook must be claimed in the article. In ALT0, you state "often have special organs" when the article just stated that modern chimaeras have the claspers - no "often" about it. Also, ALT1 seems to be more about Symmoriiformes than Holocephali. ALT2 should also probably have "were much more" rather than "was". I do like ALT0, especially in conjunction with the image. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 00:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I've swapped out the source used for ALT0, the use of the non-comprehensive modern animal paper was a mistake on my part that resulted from rewriting that hook's contents and forgetting to update the source. I've also provided a supporting quote from the new text since this one is not freely available online, although the author goes into more detail about the features in the article itself. I've reworded ALT1 to put more emphasis on Holocephali, and I've made the requested change to ALT2. As for being stated in the article, Alt0 is stated in the "Reproduction" subsection, ALT1 is stated in the second paragraph of the lead and in the "Modern classifications" subsection, and Alt2 is stated in the first paragraph of the lead and in the "Decline" section (although less concise in the latter). Are the provided hooks close enough to the statements in the article's text? Let me know if there are any further issues or adjustments you would want made. Gasmasque (talk) 02:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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    Chohan family murders

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    Created by Moondragon21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    Moondragon21 (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • New enough, long enough and hook is interesting. Could you consider tweaking the hook that 1) it mentions the year of the trial and 2) that "Metropolitan police" is linked? Ping me when all's done :) Ippantekina (talk) 09:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - see above
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall:

    Aprank monastery

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    The twin khachkars at Aprank
    The twin khachkars at Aprank
    • ALT1: ... that the khachkars at Aprank monastery are the tallest in the world? Source:
      "Աշխարհի ամենամեծ երկու խաչքարերու կրկնօրինակները պիտի տեղադրուին Մայր Աթոռին մէջ [Replicas of the world's two largest khachkars to be installed in the Mother See]". Horizon Weekly (in Armenian). March 23, 2015. https://horizonweekly.ca/en/64304-2/ "Ս. Դաւիթ մատուռը, որոնց մօտակայքը կը գտնուին աշխարհի ամենաբարձր` աւելի քան 6 մեթր բարձրութիւն ունեցող հրաշալի երկու խաչքարեր" (="two of the world's tallest magnificent khachkars (cross-stones)")
    • Reviewed: Twelve Devas, Juan Astorquia
    Created by Yerevantsi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 77 past nominations.

    --Երևանցի talk 13:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    @Darth Stabro: two QPQs done.--Երևանցի talk 20:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Image is freely licensed and works at thumbnail size. QPQs good, copyvio is mostly good except for an inscribed stone panel decorated with crosses and bearing two inscriptions, one with the date 1854 and Their height and prominent position as direct quotes that should by rephrased. Article recently created. My main issues here are with the hooks: ALT0 says "the largest" while the source says These are said to be the largest, and ALT1 claims "are the tallest" where the source says two of the world's tallest. The hooks, per WP:DYKDEFINITE, need exceptional sourcing to make such claims as "largest" or "tallest", and the sources included do not back it up. The hooks could be rephrased to match the sourcing, perhaps:
    Let me know if this is acceptable to you. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Irve Tunick

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    Created by Remember (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    Remember (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    I am happy to do a QPQ but I wanted to get this on DYK for June 27. I didn't realize I was up for a review. Can we hold this as a DYK while I work to through the QPQ so we can hit the deadline of June 27?
    I am going to review Template:Did you know nominations/John P. Morris to fulfill my QPQ. Let me know if that doesn't work for some reason. Remember (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Finished my review of John P. Morris. Remember (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey, this article is really good! However, there is a problem - there is a big copyright issue on earwig [30] based on this source [31] - could you please fix this by cutting some quotes/rephrasing things in your own words and then I will approve this? DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. Let me know if there is anything else to do. Remember (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @DaniloDaysOfOurLives: has this article been passed? If not, what else needs to be done? Remember (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Valley Medical Center (Washington)

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    Created by SounderBruce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 257 past nominations.

    SounderBruce 04:09, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]


    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - ?
    • Interesting: Yes

    QPQ: No - ?
    Overall: Hello SounderBruce, happy to review this nomination. The article was created on May 16, 2025. It has a readable prose size of 5936 characters. Every paragraph in the article is sourced. The article does not use promotional or overly negative language. WP:EARWIG shows no copyvios. The first hook is supported by the source but I can't find the claim about "600 percent" in the linked source of the second hook. Both hooks are interesting. One QPQ was done but I think two are currently required because of the backlog mode. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Snowpack types

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    Thin snowpack in Colorado
    Thin snowpack in Colorado
    Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 260 past nominations.

    (t · c) buidhe 02:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Buidhe: Not a review, but the article only has three sources, all physical books, and they're all from the same publisher. Do you have any other sources to prove notability for this subject? As is, it looks like a prime target to be merged into Snowpack. Departure– (talk) 02:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Departure– There are actually four sources cited, and I would disagree with any merger, because this would be UNDUE in the snowpack article because the types are mostly distinguished for the purpose of avalanche forecasting in North America. (t · c) buidhe 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Buidhe: They're all published by Mountaineers Books, which is my point. Snowpack types, while well cited, is longer than Snowpack, and could very easily be merged there unless either one has enough specifically on them to prevent such (speaking from someone from Wikiproject Weather, where a lot of articles get merged like this). Just a heads-up that you may have an uphill battle before this ends up on the main page; I have nothing against this being promoted if there truly is a reason to keep the pages separate. Departure– (talk) 02:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fact that it's more detailed than the general article is actually a strong indication that the material would be UNDUE if merged. You didn't bother to look for other sources which certainly exist, but simply assumed it's not notable. If you don't have anything against the promotion of the article why are you posting here? (t · c) buidhe 02:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Entrelacement

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    • Source: Frappier, Jean (1936). Étude sur la 'Mort le roi Artu', roman du XIIIᵉ siècle : dernière partie du Lancelot en prose (in French). Geneva. p. 348. "Au Moyen Âge, l'emploi du procédé [de l'entrelacement] ainsi que la formule de transition rudimentaire (Le conte cesse de parler d'un tel et parle maintenant de tel autre), ne semble pas antérieur au Perceval de Chrétien de Troyes."
    • Reviewed:
    Created by InfernoHues (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    InfernoHues (talk) 23:19, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: New, interesting, seems to be no copyvios, and with a source accepted AGF (offline). Two minor quibbles: one is that only Frappier is cited here and it seems to be his opinion alone, rather than a citation indicating that more than just him are saying that many literary historians say so. Could we consider:

    ALT1: ... that the 12th-century romance Perceval, the Story of the Grail by Chrétien de Troyes is one of the earliest examples of entrelacement?

    Feel free to suggest other rephrasing. Two is that the lede should describe, briefly, what entrelacement is. If it's cited in the body, you don't need to re-cite it in the lede, but it does need to be present for the passing reader. That said, great article and welcome to Wikipedia, InfernoHues! ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @ThaesOfereode I've added a citation that shows that it is the opinion of literary historians in general and added to the lead somewhat (citation 3 and 4 are basically the same but I don't know how to combine them)

    First Jewish–Roman War

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    Spoils from the Jerusalem Temple paraded during the triumph celebrating Rome's victory in the First Jewish–Roman War, as depicted on the Arch of Titus.
    Spoils from the Jerusalem Temple paraded during the triumph celebrating Rome's victory in the First Jewish–Roman War, as depicted on the Arch of Titus.
    • Source: Davies, Gwyn (2023). "Stamping Out the Embers: Roman "Mopping-Up" Operations at the End of the First Jewish Revolt". In Mizzi, Dennis; Grey, Matthew; Rassalle, Tine (eds.). Pushing Sacred Boundaries in Early Judaism and the Ancient Mediterranean. Supplements to the Journal for the Study of Judaism. Vol. 208. Brill. pp. 101–101; Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. p. 368; Goodman, Martin (2004). "Trajan and the Origins of Roman Hostility to the Jews". Past & Present (182) pp. 3–4; Price, Jonathan J. (1992). Jerusalem under Siege: The Collapse of the Jewish State, 66-70 C.E. Brill's Series in Jewish Studies. Vol. 3. Brill. p. 172
    • ALT1: ... that after destroying Jerusalem in the First Jewish–Roman War, Titus refused demands to expel Antioch's Jews, saying their homeland was destroyed and nowhere else would take them? Source: Andrade, Nathanael J. (2013). Syrian Identity in the Greco-Roman World. Cambridge University Press. p. 115; Smallwood, E. Mary (1976). The Jews under Roman Rule from Pompey to Diocletian. SBL Press. pp. 363–364
    • ALT2: ... that an estimated quarter of Judaea's Jewish population died in the First Jewish–Roman War, and a further tenth was taken captive? Source: Herr, Moshe David (1984). "פני התקופה: ארץ-ישראל באימפריה הרומית אחרי חורבן בית שני". In Stern, Menahem (ed.). The Roman Byzantine Period: The Roman Period from the Conquest to the Ben Kozba War (63 BCE – 135 CE). The History of Eretz Israel (in Hebrew). Vol. 4. p. 288
    • ALT3: ... that during the First Jewish–Roman War, thousands of Jewish slaves were sent to Italy, and several thousand reportedly to Greece to work on the Corinth Canal? Source: Rocca, Samuele (2022). In the Shadow of the Caesars: Jewish Life in Roman Italy. The Brill Reference Library of Judaism. Vol. 74. pp. 41–42; Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. pp. 247–248
    • ALT4: ... that to celebrate their victory in the First Jewish–Roman War, the Flavians minted Judaea Capta coins depicting a mourning woman beneath a date palm—symbolizing Judaea and its defeated people? Source: Magness, Jodi (2012). The Archaeology of the Holy Land: From the Destruction of Solomon's Temple to the Muslim Conquest. Cambridge University Press. pp. 166–167
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Singapore Rail Test Centre
    • Comment: It is kind of hard to pick the best option, there's just so much that's interesting and could spark curiosity. Sharing a few options below, let me know which ones you think work best!
    Improved to Good Article status by Mariamnei (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

    Mariamnei (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2025 (UTC). General eligibility:[reply]

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - Every hook is cited
    • Interesting: No - Yes. But I see alternatives are better written
    • Other problems: No - ALT3 and ALT4 appear to give the subject of this article more prominence.

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: No - One QPQ is needed
    Invalid status "One QPQ needed" - use one of "y", "?", "maybe", "no" or "again"

    @Tintor2: This review was not properly formatted; there's enough sloppiness here that it borders on a lack of caring. I think you should be able to fix it on your own; I recommend you slow down and read how that template you used works and look at other reviews for inspiration. Not counting this as a QPQ until this is fixed. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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    Somali Airlines Flight 40

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    The aircraft involved in 1977
    The aircraft involved in 1977
    • ... that after the pilot of Somali Airlines Flight 40 was reportedly threatened with jail following his refusal to takeoff, the flight took off and crashed a few minutes later?
    • Source: Bridges, Peter (2000). Safirka: an American envoy. Kent, Ohio: Kent State University Press. p. 165. ISBN 9780873386586. […] and one day its pilot refused to take it north from Mogadishu on a scheduled flight. He was told to take off or go to jail. He took off, and a few minutes later it crashed and killed all on board.
    Created by Aviationwikiflight (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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